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Loki45 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 8:48:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 I don’t have a problem. I fully understand that badge and, or uniform, does not automatically make someone ‘right’. No one ever said it does. But in this case, he was right. Many people in charge of him and the law have said so. So your whining solves nothing. quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 You do know that laws are just rules someone made up; right? For instance, if I was standing on the side of the road, with a police officer, and was told to stay put; if I saw a vehicle heading our way, with a good chance of hitting us/me; not only would I be capable, but I’m moving. Now here is where you're just trying to cause trouble. So you'd move if a car was heading your way.....no shit. So would anyone else. So would the cop. This is nothing but quibbling. Grow up.

cpK69 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 8:52:52 AM)
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Asherdelampyr -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 10:09:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady There are nearly 1 million active law enforcement officers in America. On a yearly basis, you will read stories of less than 500 (probably even less than that) who are beating people up, on the take, etc. Do the math. It certainly doesn't come out to be a majority of the police population that is corrupt. Likewise, figure out how many people are in prison, jail or on probation for violating some law and how many of those who are then found to be innocent based on DNA evidence. Again, it is far from the majority. Like anything else, we don't hear about all the good things or the normal things. We only hear the sensationalized things. But statistically, the MAJORITY of police men go to work and do their job everyday. Statistically, the MAJORITY of people under supervision of some sort did break the law, probably had more than their share of "breaks" before getting to where they are, and have been rightfully placed where they belong. As for the concept of legalizing ALL drugs and offering medical treatment to those who wish to stop using....time to put down that crack pipe. The concept of trying to controll all the illegal substances that are made in some yahoo's garage is ludicrous. I think that the idea there is that with legalization comes regulation, more work on the FDA to figure out which things are "safe enough" I dont consider pot a real drug, because (Unlike Heroine) I have never seen someone so stoned that they literally tore the skin of thier arm off because they said they were "itchy" and because (Unlike meth) I never saw someone wash thier hands to the point where thier fingernails were broken and the skin on thier hands looked like raw hamburger The idea that everything should be legal is ridiculous, however I will agree that our so called war on drugs is failing, since the drugs we are supposed to be stopping are easier to get than ever. The real trick is to concentrate on stopping the shit that will cause serious, sometimes long term damage. the things that are less painful than a few shots of cheap vodka should be legal

Asherdelampyr -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 10:40:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loki45 quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 Tasers are lethal weapons. If tasers were lethal weapons, idiot kids wouldn't enjoy tasing themselves for entertainment purposes on national TV. I have to say, this is a bad arguement have you seen Youtube? I'm pretty sure those kids are suicidal Has anyone found the number of deaths caused by tasers? im pretty sure that if they were as lethal as a few people on here claimed, then they would no longer be used, especially considering the added expense in buying enough of them for the cops to use. Still saying if there is a cop twice my size, and I have been enough of a dick that his options are beating me down and tasering me I will be crying for that electricity.

cpK69 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 10:48:37 AM)
In the report of the incident that Lady E, posted a link to, said they were less lethal, but not non-lethal. Kim

Asherdelampyr -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 10:57:19 AM)
saw that still no real numbers however It would be interesting to know.

cpK69 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 10:58:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Asherdelampyr saw that still no real numbers however It would be interesting to know. Right; and agreed. Kim

Loki45 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 11:10:30 AM)
In most 'stats' I have seen, when a taser 'has' killed, it was almost never the sole factor. Such can be evidenced by this very story. A 72-year-old woman. Old. You'd think...weak heart....frail....certainly seen younger days. She took the jolt and survived. She clearly had no extraneous factors that would have led to her death. I have seen cops tase a guy who took it and kept coming. Everyone reacts differently. A cop isn't going to know if you have a bum ticker, only you do. So when faced with such a situation, it behooves you not to push the issue and put the cop in danger. If you do, what comes of his response is entirely on you...such as was the case here.

Asherdelampyr -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 11:18:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loki45 In most 'stats' I have seen, when a taser 'has' killed, it was almost never the sole factor. Such can be evidenced by this very story. A 72-year-old woman. Old. You'd think...weak heart....frail....certainly seen younger days. She took the jolt and survived. She clearly had no extraneous factors that would have led to her death. I have seen cops tase a guy who took it and kept coming. Everyone reacts differently. A cop isn't going to know if you have a bum ticker, only you do. So when faced with such a situation, it behooves you not to push the issue and put the cop in danger. If you do, what comes of his response is entirely on you...such as was the case here. I agree, but am still curious

cpK69 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 11:23:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loki45 In most 'stats' I have seen, when a taser 'has' killed, it was almost never the sole factor. Such can be evidenced by this very story. A 72-year-old woman. Old. You'd think...weak heart....frail....certainly seen younger days. She took the jolt and survived. She clearly had no extraneous factors that would have led to her death. Well, as long as it is, in your opinion, "almost never a sole factor". Kim

Loki45 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 11:24:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Asherdelampyr I agree, but am still curious As am I, but then I've always been the nosy sort.

Irishknight -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 5:43:38 PM)
I have a silly question. Would have been different if this was a little old man? Would you have been up in arms over a "frail old man" who the cop should have been able to handle? I can think of a man only 3 years younger than this woman who I would taser rather than fight. His name is Chuck Norris. Age doesn't mean frail nor does it mean they get a free pass to ignore the law.

Asherdelampyr -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 5:45:38 PM)
I didnt realize that chuck was that old crap, how old would Bruce Lee be by now?

Irishknight -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 5:57:24 PM)
In his 70s or 80s. I bet he would have still been dangerous too. And Jackie Chan is 55. I'm sure he wouldn't be considered frail and elderly.

Asherdelampyr -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 6:03:48 PM)
I agree those are all great examples of men that will almost always seem to be in the "Prime" of their life. Hey! I found legit, referenced material from a reputable site, that provides numerous medical and other scientific sites, about the fatality rate of tasers (Though I am dead certain that it will still be refuted and argued against, so if anyone has any other references, especially differing ones, please link them) Here it is http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=2492982

cpK69 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 6:30:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Irishknight I have a silly question. Would have been different if this was a little old man? Would you have been up in arms over a "frail old man" who the cop should have been able to handle? Not sure who that was a question for, but in my perspective; no. The issue wasn’t about being able to 'handle her’; it was whether or not he had the opportunity to defuse the situation before it got to the point of using the taser. Not only did he have the opportunity to defuse, but he was a contributing factor to the escalation. Truth and necessity should have been the deciding factors, not his ego. Kim

Loki45 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 7:13:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 Truth and necessity should have been the deciding factors, not his ego. They were.

Asherdelampyr -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 7:17:47 PM)
allow me to sum up the way this is gonna go for ya Loki He was right no, hes a dick no, he had just cause did you see the footage? yes, I saw a cop doing his job he was hassling that poor woman, he could have de-escalated but he didnt He acted well within his purview No, he should have been nicer to her He was right no, hes a dick no, he had just cause did you see the footage? yes, I saw a cop doing his job he was hassling that poor woman, he could have de-escalated but he didnt He acted well within his purview No, he should have been nicer to herHe was right no, hes a dick no, he had just cause did you see the footage? yes, I saw a cop doing his job he was hassling that poor woman, he could have de-escalated but he didnt He acted well within his purview No, he should have been nicer to her And so on, ad naseum

Loki45 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 7:24:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Asherdelampyr allow me to sum up the way this is gonna go for ya Loki What do you mean gonna? More like has been. She seeems to think that you can bait a cop, then assault a cop and resist arrest and he has to be nice to you. (He doesn't.) She seems to think you should be able to say "oh nevermind....I'll sign the ticket" but you can't. Once a cop says "you're under arrest" you are UNDER ARREST and he must follow through. It's similar to the rules for a citizen's arrest. If I grab you and deter your leaving an area and say you're under citizens arrest, when I inform the cops of that they MUST come and take custody of you. There's none of this "oh I was just kidding, he's not under arrest."

cpK69 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 7:26:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Asherdelampyr He was right Now we're getting somewhere... IT WASN'T ABOUT HIM. or you. Kim

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