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Asherdelampyr -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 7:27:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 quote: ORIGINAL: Asherdelampyr He was right Now we're getting somewhere... IT WASN'T ABOUT HIM. or you. Kim So it wasnt about the police officer? BEcause that was the "him" there in that case, who is it that you believe was too egotistical to handle what situation properly? Kim, you are peeing on your own feet here

cpK69 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 7:34:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Asherdelampyr So it wasnt about the police officer? Was he there to do job or not? Piss on my feet, smoke up my ass; one washes off easily, the other just gives me gas. Kim

Loki45 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 7:36:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 Now we're getting somewhere... IT WASN'T ABOUT HIM. or you. No, we're not getting anywhere. You're reading into his hypothetical post and trying to use it to win an argument you can't win. Here are the facts, (and you really can't get around them): She was pulled over for speeding She got belligerent with him and refused to sign the ticket She assaulted him She resisted arrest He took control of the situation and both of them lived to tell the tale.....well in his case it was to tell the tale, in her case it was to lie about it

cpK69 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 7:39:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loki45 trying to use it to win an argument you can't win. Hello, Wall. Kim

Loki45 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 7:40:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 Piss on my feet, smoke up my ass; one washes off easily, the other just gives me gas. But both make you look foolish.

Asherdelampyr -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 7:41:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 quote: ORIGINAL: Asherdelampyr So it wasnt about the police officer? Was he there to do job or not? Piss on my feet, smoke up my ass; one washes off easily, the other just gives me gas. Kim Well I am asking you, since your previous posts indicates that you either decided that the cop had nothing to do with whatever the hell you were babbling about, or you didnt fully understand my post, Now I am more confused, as it seems that instead of clarifying you are on some sort of wild tangent, which, while amusing since it rhymes and all, still makes no damn sense

Loki45 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 7:41:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 Hello, Wall. Funny, I think the same thing when I read your posts.

cpK69 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 8:10:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loki45 But both make you look foolish. Seriously, you should really consider working on your concern about what other people think. Asher, It made is much sense as your post to Loki about how I would respond. More, actually, since I was pointint out that I prefer to pee on my own feet, then having the two of you blowing smoke up my ass. Seeing how Loki has based his case on ‘cause I say so’ all along. I'll try one last time... I believe, as long as his job is to keep the peace, and enforce law, and there is no law stating the he could not just let her sign the ticket when she changed her mind... STOP Then, address any issues there were concerning her unwillingness to do so in the first place, in a court of law.. STOP The fact that he unnessarily chose to arrest her anyway was him punishing her, for giving him a hard time. The fact that he felt, as a ‘public servant’ it was appropriate to try to ‘out bark her’ was all about ego, also. You’re not being about to see that, is all about your ego. I kind of figured the officer was just having a bad day (though I was told by a friend who drives truck, he deals with officers being ‘arrogant assholes’ all the time), so who knows. I’ve also contemplated the idea that grams is not like one of those nice, warm, and sweet grams, like my own, but since I wasn’t judging the officer, I felt no need to judge grams either. The fact that others do, well, your choice. Kim

Loki45 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 8:18:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 I believe, as long as his job is to keep the peace, and enforce law, and there is no law stating the he could not just let her sign the ticket when she changed her mind... STOP And I have told you that once he announces his intent to make an arrest, there is no backing out. He MUST complete the arrest. She had the chance to sign and refused. One he said "you're under arrest" she was, BY LAW, UNDER ARREST and he couldn't let her go. Is that sinking in now? quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 The fact that he felt, as a ‘public servant’ it was appropriate to try to ‘out bark her’ was all about ego, also. Speaking loudly in a clear tone when giving instructions to an unwilling person is not "out-barking" them it is making sure you are heard. Do drill sergeants bark? No. Cops are trained daily how to respond and as his own superior say nothing wrong with the dash cam footage, what you think is irrelevant. quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 You’re not being about to see that, is all about your ego. And your refusal to accept the department, the media and the majority of poster's response here is about YOUR ego. I'll say that again. The officer's supervisor, department....even members of the media who originally cried foul prior to the dash cam's release ALL say the cop acted appropriately.

Asherdelampyr -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 8:18:43 PM)
Kim, I almost put you on ignore, now I am happy I didnt that gave me a good laugh especially this part "since I wasn’t judging the officer" Really? not even a little bit? When a cop says on any sort of record (Including his dashboard Camera) that you are under arrest, you are. That is the end of story, at the point where he had to have her leave the vehicle, he had to take her in. Those are the restrictions placed on the police force in Texas and many other states to prevent bad cops from using arresting someone as a threat I am not at all suprised that you chose not to look this up, that info took me all of 30 seconds to find, while jumping to a baseless conclusion would be soo much faster And of course I must be an egoist if I fail to see your way? My post to Loki was actually telling him that continued debate on this issue with you is pointless, as neither one of you feel that you are wrong in any way, so there is no real room for discussion I keep talking to you because, quite frankly I have nothing better to do for the next couple hours :)

WyldHrt -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/17/2009 2:39:50 AM)
quote: I believe, as long as his job is to keep the peace, and enforce law, and there is no law stating the he could not just let her sign the ticket when she changed her mind... STOP As has been said at least 3 times now, there IS. Once the intent to make an arrest is given, the officer has NO choice... is this sinking in yet? I wasn't sure it was the case in Texas before Asher checked, but I can say for a fact that it is the case in the areas I'm familiar with. As a personal opinion (read: opinion incoming), even if he had a choice, letting her go would have been a BAD call. She was obviously pissed off and not fully in control of herself. As a motorist, I sure as hell don't want someone in that condition sharing the road with me if it can be prevented. quote: Then, address any issues there were concerning her unwillingness to do so in the first place, in a court of law.. STOP Too late for reasons already given. The bell can't be unrung in this situation. quote: The fact that he unnessarily chose to arrest her anyway was him punishing her, for giving him a hard time. No, it was him doing was what legally required of him. quote: The fact that he felt, as a ‘public servant’ it was appropriate to try to ‘out bark her’ was all about ego, also. He IS a public servant, but that doesn't mean offering to get someone who is obviously out of control a caramel-latte, it means controlling the situation while insuring his safety, hers, AND that of passing motorists and road construction workers. That is what he did. quote: I kind of figured the officer was just having a bad day (though I was told by a friend who drives truck, he deals with officers being ‘arrogant assholes’ all the time), so who knows. He probably wasn't having a bad day until this stop. Do you REALLY believe that he wanted any of this to happen? That he wanted to be the cop that tazed an old lady? As to how some cops and some truckers view each other, that's another thread. quote: I’ve also contemplated the idea that grams is not like one of those nice, warm, and sweet grams, like my own, but since I wasn’t judging the officer, I felt no need to judge grams either. Horseshit. You've done nothing but judge him, and without all the facts. As to "contemplating the idea" that grams is not nice, warm, and sweet.... have you watched the video??? All the input of her "sweetness" the officer had was that interaction. She was out of control, and he dealt with the situation.

cpK69 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/17/2009 7:40:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WyldHrt You've done nothing but judge him, Show me where I judged him and not his actions. Kim

Loki45 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/17/2009 9:57:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 Show me where I judged him and not his actions. Right here: quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 The fact that he felt, as a ‘public servant’ it was appropriate to try to ‘out bark her’ was all about ego, also. I find it also most curious that out of three people's rather lengthy posts on how wrong you were, this is all you chose to reply to.

Irishknight -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/17/2009 2:36:51 PM)
How many times did Granny have the chance to keep it from escalating? She pushed until the cop told her she was under arrest and then there was no choice. I believe thats the "on like Donkey Kong" law.

Asherdelampyr -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/17/2009 3:43:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Irishknight How many times did Granny have the chance to keep it from escalating? She pushed until the cop told her she was under arrest and then there was no choice. I believe thats the "on like Donkey Kong" law. the "On Like Donkey Kong Law" I love it As a general rule people should treat you with the same respect that they wish to be treated, however when you act like a twunt to them it goes against human nature that they should continue being nice Kim, wyld picked out a wonderful post that was you obviously judging him, as an outside observer none of us have any real clue as to what was going through his head at the time, so telling people how he felt? That is judging him, I know, its a bit complicated, but I am certain that you can find someone to explain this to you. Also, I think I have the answer to you Loki, she argued with the only thing she thought she had a chance of winning, as everything else continually gets disproven. She went for the statement that she hadn't looked like a moron about, yet As she said earlier, she would rather invalidate her own arguments and look like a moron than accept the possibility that someone else may be right, what other behavior can you expect at this point from her?

cpK69 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/17/2009 4:30:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loki45 Right here: quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 The fact that he felt, as a ‘public servant’ it was appropriate to try to ‘out bark her’ was all about ego, also. No, Loki; saying “he deserves to be shot with his own taser, for being an egotistical, dog”, would have been judging; pointing you that anger comes from ego; is not. You might recognize that first part, to be more like the comments people were making about the woman. quote: I find it also most curious that out of three people's rather lengthy posts on how wrong you were, this is all you chose to reply to. Yeah, well, I find announcing the need to put someone on ignore to be rather childish, and telling me you’re only engaged due to boredom, is a sure fire way to get me to walk away. As for you, glad you put the informative stuff at the top of your last post; I hadn’t seen where you said it was a law previously, but then, I had to resort to only skimming your post a while back, due to your inflammatory posting style. As for WyldHrt, giving me her assumptions of what was going on in the participants heads, and telling me what my statements meant, was pretty much just a repeat of everyone else, who tried to ‘beat it into me’ how wrong I am. I get it. I tried to find a law stating that once an officer has you leave your vehicle, you have to be arrested; couldn’t find it. I also re-watched the video, and as I suspected, he was not recorded saying, “You are under arrest”, but if "get on out of the truck", means 'you are under arrest', in texas; I wouldn't know, so will have to take your word for it. Expecting more maturity from subordinates, then from those with authority; priceless. The idea that there was no room for improvement; very telling. Kim

barelynangel -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/17/2009 5:17:27 PM)
Kim, i guess you just don't get this idea -- its up to cops to enforce the law -- its up to the citizens to OBEY the law. The fact that you don't believe people should be held to a standard of responsibility to 1) obey the laws, 2) act responsibly as well as cooperatingly when caught not obeying said laws, and 3) when they get out of control expect that you may encounter consequences you don't like is priceless to me. What is priceless is you don't seem to find it necessary to place HIGH expectations in the first place on PEOPLE to be and act responsibly no matter WHO they encounter -- whether it be cops, or the construction workers that put at risk etc. You simply imply that irresponsible people should be given considerations -- to me that is BS. It says a lot that you continually imply that there is no expectation FROM YOU of responsibility on the person. Perhaps if you hold PEOPLE to a higher standard of honor and integrity, there may be less need of cops having to make choices such as what occured in this video. Again, if the woman would have SIMPLY cooperated, not gotten out of control, she wouldn't have been tased. The cop was responsible in his choices and that is the expectation i had of BOTH parties as do many others. i don't believe he HAD an OBLIGATION to let her go because she realized he was going to take her to jail. If you want to see that as "punishment" that is your choice, however, i think its rinteresting you don't hold people responsible for their actions and cry unfair actions when authority is brought to a position of enforcing control because a person is incapable of maintaining same themselves. Perhaps holding adults as a general concept to a high standard of responsibility for their actions and by doing so -- you may actually change some things you don't like about the system because people won't find themselves in the situations such as that on this tape. Until you and others as there are many who say change but don't say change to ALL people, no change in the system will change things because in order for a SYSTEM to work as a whole EVERYONE has to claim and take the responsibility of required of them. Until you as a person expect that of those who are on the receiving end of authority -- you will never see the change you claim to want to see because you fail to see the systen requires team work citizens and authority working together each responsible for the party they claim in such a situation. Somehow i think you don't get this -- i think you do but you simply i think like the attention lol so this will be my last post to you on this. I seriously your attitude is priceless in not holding the woman to ANY responsibility for placing herself in such a posituon wherein she gained a consequence she just didn't like. And this is aside from the fact the woman is without integrity but i guess that excuses her from having to be a responsible adult. angel

Loki45 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/17/2009 5:55:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 No, Loki; saying “he deserves to be shot with his own taser, for being an egotistical, dog”, would have been judging; pointing you that anger comes from ego; is not. Wrong. You just judged right there. Here, let me show you again: quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 pointing you that anger comes from ego; is not. You said he was angry. You don't know him. You don't know how he is. You are JUDGING by the volume of his voice that he was angry. Drill sergeants are just one example of people who talk VERY LOUDLY without being angry. Sometimes it's the only way to get the point across. quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 Yeah, well, I find announcing the need to put someone on ignore to be rather childish, and telling me you’re only engaged due to boredom, is a sure fire way to get me to walk away. I believe you are no confusing me with Ash, as I never threatened to put you on ignore. quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 I tried to find a law stating that once an officer has you leave your vehicle, you have to be arrested; couldn’t find it. I also re-watched the video, and as I suspected, he was not recorded saying, “You are under arrest”, but if "get on out of the truck", means 'you are under arrest', in texas; I wouldn't know, so will have to take your word for it. Re-read the statement again, please. Pulling you from your car does not equal under arrest. Saying "you're under arrest" is what affects an arrest and thus must be carried through to completion.

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