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LafayetteLady -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/15/2009 7:59:57 PM)
Basically, you keep stating that they have gone too far. That the poor little old woman who was cursing like a trucker at the officer shouldn't have been tased. What you haven't done is answer the question about what YOU are doing to change the things you don't like other than give a flippant answer about the "mythological" constitution. It doesn't matter whether you believe that any or all wars were right or wrong. It doesn't really matter if you think that the system is corrupt. Nobody here has ever said the system is perfect. Nothing is perfect, and yes there are many problems with the system. But it keeps evolving, sometimes for the better, sometimes not. My point is that if you don't like it, do something about it. If you don't want to do anything to make improvements, then in my opinion, you lose the right to complain.

cpK69 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/15/2009 8:31:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady Basically, you keep stating that they have gone too far. Correction; I said “he” (there was no they), could have chose to let her sign the ticket when she said she would, and dealt with any issue he had with her attitude in a court of law, instead of on the side of a highway(?) putting them both in danger. And that, making the choice to not let her sign the ticket was in effect, punishing her. What is your biggest issue, her swearing, or her swearing at an officer? Words should not be a crime. Furthermore; where did I call her a “poor little old lady”? I talk to people, as it is my belief that is where real change will begin, at least the kind that will really matter. I asked about “we the people”; I said nothing about any constitution. quote: It doesn't matter whether you believe that any or all wars were right or wrong. It doesn't really matter if you think that the system is corrupt. I have no idea why you are even bringing it up. Perhaps that change can start when people are able to leave their opinions at the door. One can hope. Kim

Loki45 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/15/2009 9:26:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 Correction; I said “he” (there was no they), could have chose to let her sign the ticket when she said she would, and dealt with any issue he had with her attitude in a court of law, instead of on the side of a highway(?) putting them both in danger. And that, making the choice to not let her sign the ticket was in effect, punishing her. Actually, she was the one putting them in danger by nearly shoving him into traffic. When he tased her, she fell toward the side of the road and the situation was then under control. I've said it before and I will say it again, the method by which a cop brings an unruly suspect under control is not punishment. It may hurt, but it is not punishment. It's not like the cop stood there and said aloud "I judge you guilty of annoying me and the penalty for such impudence is to do the taser dance.....ZAAAP." No, she was being a belligerent bitch and nearly shoved him into traffic not once but twice and then jerked her arm away from him when he went to cuff her. She asked, in fact begged for what she got. When a suspect chooses to fight with an officer and endanger him not once but twice, then whatever method is employed to control the situation is a direct result of that and as such is the fault of the unruly party.

cpK69 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 4:07:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loki45 Actually, she was the one putting them in danger by nearly shoving him into traffic. He had choices that could have prevented that. Kim

sirsholly -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 4:12:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 quote: ORIGINAL: Loki45 Actually, she was the one putting them in danger by nearly shoving him into traffic. He had choices that could have prevented that. Kim and plenty of time to plan those choices, i suppose?[8\|]

cpK69 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 4:16:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly and plenty of time to plan those choices, i suppose?[8\|] He was trained; remember? Kim

barelynangel -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 4:24:50 AM)
Yep he was trained and he utilized his training correctly. SO the fact he told her she would be tased if she did not comply -- doesn't mean anything? If i remember correctly he told her this FIVE times. SHE MADE THE CHOICE NOT TO COOPERATE. PERHAPS, just perhaps if SHE HAD calmed down and cooperated or at least attempted to TALK to him and not be a bitch -- he may have simply let her sign the ticket and move on. See she had the choice to make it a controlled situation and she chose not to. However, her WHOLE DEMEANOR, to me, is what created the situation. Again, holding PEOPLE responsible may begin also helping effecting change. Yes the cop had a choice, and he made his choice. There was nothing wrong with his choice based on what the woman's choices were. EACH person made a choice -- SHE chose to maintain a belligerant, unruly resistance, and he chose to inform her of what WOULD happen if she did not calm down and cooperate. She continued to choose to be unruly and placing them both in danger with her OUT OF CONTROL behavior, and he utilized his options to get the situation under control. THEY EACH MADE CHOICES lol. Just because the cop decided to use his TRAINING to gain control of the situation doesn't mean he made a BAD choice. He simply made the choice the woman didn't like. angel

sirsholly -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 4:35:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly and plenty of time to plan those choices, i suppose?[8\|] He was trained; remember? Kim yep...he was trained to handle that situation, and he did. I can't help but think if the old broad was hopping around, pitching a fit, stepped out into traffic and got her ass bumped off by a semi, there would be a thread criticizing him for not using his taser.

cpK69 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 4:45:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly yep...he was trained to handle that situation, and he did. Like I said much earlier in this thread, if that is what his training taught him; it could be better. quote: I can't help but think if the old broad was hopping around, pitching a fit, stepped out into traffic and got her ass bumped off by a semi, there would be a thread criticizing him for not using his taser. My response would be the same, as it would be, if his choice to teach her a lesson had got his ass bumped off by a semi. Choices. Kim

sirsholly -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 4:54:28 AM)
quote: if that is what his training taught him; it could be better. how easy to be a computer chair critic when it was not your ass standing between an irate woman and traffic. [8\|]

cpK69 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 4:58:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly how easy to be a computer chair critic Isn't it though? quote: when it was not your ass standing between an irate woman and traffic. [8\|] Choices. Kim

sirsholly -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 4:59:11 AM)
And he made a choice...which was justified. Deal with it.

cpK69 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 5:06:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly And he made a choice...which was justified. Deal with it. You deal; I suck at conformity. Kim

barelynangel -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 5:08:04 AM)
Yep choices were made by both parties. Was it a lesson from the cop -- no, i really fail to see why one would think so. To me he did what he had to do to gain control in a situation wherein the lady was choosing to esculate it farther out of control. Did she learn a lesson from the situation -- i would hope she learned -- being out of control in such a situation places her and the officer in a dangerous situation an maybe next time she might want to be an adult and maintain some control instead of requiring others to take control she is incapable of having. Acting like an adult and holding people to such responsibility is a form of conformity i guess -- its called requiring people to act like adults. I can see how not having that expectation of people would create a situation where authority is then always the bad guys. angel

cpK69 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 5:10:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel Did she learn a lesson from the situation -- i would hope she learned -- But did he? Kim

barelynangel -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 5:11:49 AM)
I am sure he learned lol that utilizing his training is the correct thing to do -- more so it probably just confirmed it more so than taught him it as he seems to have already known. What else was he supposed to learn? Oh that people refuse to hold people to their responsibility of being adults so he will be marked as a bad guy by many when when his actions are justified to place a situation in control?

cpK69 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 5:14:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel What else was he supposed to learn? As long as people expect those who aren't carring leathel weapons to be more responsable then those that do; not a fucking thing. Kim

barelynangel -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 5:23:55 AM)
chuckles, that's right don't hold PEOPLE responsible. But blame the cops. This weapon wasn't lethal, she is fine. She was SOO fine she was able to get on TV and LIE about her own behavior and then shrug and close the door when she is found out. Maybe people should respect the fact that cops HAVE to carry such weapons because of PEOPLE like her and MANY MANY who are much worse -- to place situations in control that this lady and others refuse to do themselves because of their OUT of control behavior. Yeah that's right stand up for the person with no integrity. Just so you know -- your generalization here is harming your cause for change. Because you believe people can do anything they want and then whine when they are contained because of their out of control behavior. Try holding PEOPLE to responsibility AS WELL AS cops, an you may get farther in what change you seem to want to effect. See that's what has occured when people thought she had acted like a responsible adult they freaked out on the cop. But when they found out she acted out of control and unruly instead of remaining calm and cooperating, they held HER to be responsible for he actions and the actions the officer had to take to gain control of the situation due to her out of control behavior. THAT is how you effect change -- you place responsibility on ALL involved not just the authority to make choices YOU want them to make instead of choices appropriate for the situation.

cpK69 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 5:30:47 AM)
Are you claiming the “cops” aren’t PEOPLE? Tasers are lethal weapons. If I shoot someone in the foot with a pistol, can I say they aren’t lethal because the person would most likely live? You seem to think people can do anything they want, as long as they have a badge or uniform. Kim

barelynangel -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/16/2009 5:37:47 AM)
No actually cops ARE people who have an authority in situations like this based ON THE LAW (you don't like the law you change the law not fight those enforcing it) -- which means in this situation you place the responsibility on ALL people as a whole in their respective places -- the cop is a person in the authority which means he had the RESPONSIBILITY added to HAVE CONTROL over the situation -- which he utilized his options to gain after REPEATED warnings and requests to an OUT OF control person -- the woman is a person who had the responsibility to cooperate even if she didn't AGREE. She chose not to cooperate and her ACTIONS were placing them both in danger. Actually i think people in uniform have a responsibility to maintain control or gain control for the safety of all involved. I think people not in the uniform have a responsibikity to act like adults and cooperate even if they don't agree. I don't agree with this lady's choice of being out of control. I do agree with the STEPS the officer took up to and including tasing her finally when she failed to comply. See if she had just calmed down and cooperated -- IT WOULDN"T HAVE HAPPENED. angel

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