samboct -> RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! (6/5/2009 1:31:23 PM)
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"I didn't find the astrophysicist beautiful, attractive yes and certainly compared to most women scientists who downplay their looks to be taken seriously. But not beautiful in the head turning way if you passed her on the street, made traffic stop way. I must admit, my first response is where on earth are you getting this from? Having been around scientists for the past two dozen years or so, I haven't met any of them that "downplay their looks to be taken seriously." I've met a lot of them who simply don't want to take the time to apply makeup, blowdry hair, and wear impractical clothing to walk into a lab. Jeans and a pullover are pretty much the order of the day in academe (labs tend to be on the chillier side.) I've never seen anybody wear glasses they didn't need, wear clothing with pads in the wrong places, or anything like that. When presenting at a meeting, there is a certain amount of fussing in terms of presentation that goes on by both men and women that are a bit unaccustomed to wearing more formal garb. (I've been asked to help some gents tie a necktie on more than one occasion.) The clothing chosen follows the same rules as politicians or any job seeker- the idea is to look smart, professional, and well put together without in your face sex appeal. Make no mistake, these women want to look good- for the same reasons that the men do- it's important for a career. In short- contrary to movies and TV, the reality of women scientists is that they are human beings first- scientists second. And human beings take a certain level of pains in their presentation. I don't see scientists as being different than any other professional. Nor would Albert Einstein's lack of sartorial splendor go unremarked amongst male scientists. Scientists have grown accustomed to asking people for money and to attempt to communicate their research to the public. Carl Sagan is a much closer role model for most scientists than Einstein. I find Madonna not intelligent per se, but shrewd. I also don't think she's ever been classically beautiful. And I don't judge intelligence by how much money they earn." While I certainly agree with you that Madonna isn't classically beautiful- in terms of business she's a bloody genius. She's been able to make a fortune off her brand, and keep it in the public eye the way that very few corporations have been able to do. Sam
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