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Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/5/2009 6:02:01 AM

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Last night at work i was having a discussion with my work mates about intelligence. It came about because one of my female work mates whilst being absolutely lovely is the blondest person i've ever met. My male work mates stated that women are either beautiful or intelligent, that it is rare to find both qualities in a woman. In their defence to stop you thinking they are completely sexist they agreed it was hard to find males who were both too.

They challenged me to come up with three women who were both and i couldn't do it. They either disagreed that the woman was intelligent or that she was beautiful. I came up with Carol Vorderman, they said she was ropey looking nowadays, Angelina Jolie, they kind of let me have.

I suggested Madonna, shes still good looking to me and she is intelligent. They said no, that in her younger days she was hot and not so intelligent and that now she is intelligent, savvy but not good looking anymore. I found this quite interesting!!

It's got me thinking, is there some truth to the its rare to find intelligence and beauty in a person? Is it possible that as we get older we have to develop as a person for example in intelligence to attract the other sex, get further ahead because we can't rely on our looks anymore?

And if anyone can come up with three attractive women who are also intelligent you'd be helping me out to shut the sexist pigs up lol

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/5/2009 6:06:16 AM

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/5/2009 6:10:09 AM

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/5/2009 6:19:08 AM

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Bingo lol.
Actually my female work mate suggested herself and the lads just laughed. She certainly isn't the brightest spark in the box so fairy snuff. However she said to them but i am beautiful and they just said well you're not ugly.
I suggested myself and they just didn't say anything. Not sure what that meant to be honest. I'd like to think they agreed but just didn't wanna admit it

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/5/2009 6:27:29 AM

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It's got me thinking, is there some truth to the its rare to find intelligence and beauty in a person?

Stereotypes are not the truth.

Your work mates are male chauvinists pigs, by the way

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As for their little challenge of finding three genius-brained babes, I know a few personally, but they are not famous: do your friends believe that only those chicks that make it on the pages of Hello and People magazines qualify? That would make them even worse bimbos than the chicks they disparage!

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/5/2009 6:56:00 AM

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What about Carla Bruni? Sophia Loren is also pretty swift. Angela Merkel is also really sharp, but it's hard to find a shot of her in her younger days.

While you can debate Madonna's beauty- she's absolutely brilliant in business.

Historically- Jackie Cochran comes to mind- she was one hell of a pilot and businesswoman, and was considered a knockout in her prime.

On a personal note, since I work in the sciences, most of the women I run into professionally are well educated and often pretty sharp. Since they tend to take to heart the cautions about lack of exercise, on average, they're probably more fit and less obese than the general population. (also not a bad bet for highly educated people.)

What I think your mates are confusing is the effect of makeup, personal grooming and photography. Scientists tend not to wear makeup or spend a lot of time blowdrying their hair. Although a few do, but most don't. Nevertheless, there are some very striking women in this population.

And having been to a bunch of meetings of various types of professionals, some of the most attractive women as a group I've seen are out of the financial industry, and a number of them are also pretty sharp.

So, I don't buy this stereotype- I think its more a function of grooming and photography.

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/5/2009 6:57:17 AM

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In no particular order:

Danica McKeller

Natalie Portman

Brooke Shields

I would also add a niece of mine to the list. She is very blond, very beautifull, and so intelligent that a major pharma company is paying for her entire post graduated education including room and board in exchange for a five year contract with a six figure starting salary.

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/5/2009 7:05:03 AM

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interesting thread. i think one thing that makes it an impossible question is "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder"

i also think that sometimes intelligence makes some folks seem to be more beautiful than they are....

and beauty makes some seem to be more intelligent than they are......

if that makes sense

i would say my list of 3 women who are both include my mom, my grandmother, and a dear friend i have had since elementary school.

but many would find them not beautiful or intelligent, i suppose.

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/5/2009 7:12:12 AM

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Of course, we don't really have to look far to find women who are both beautiful and intelligent - there are plenty here on the CM Boards!

Just a few (in no paerticular order):

Missturbation - and no, I'm not just saying that to be nice. You really do have some of the most well thought out posts around here.

Greedytop - beautiful, intelligent, and possesed of a compassionate nature that I greatly admire.

Kitinsol - I admit this grudgingly becasue she can be annoying as hell some times.

Aliene1968 - Has the intelligence NOT to get involved in the mud slinging "debates." I really wish she'd post her pictures again.

There are more but I'll leave it to others to make note of them.

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/5/2009 7:13:18 AM

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I have such a historical crush on Dorothy Parker.

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/5/2009 7:15:57 AM

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/5/2009 7:17:25 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation
Last night at work i was having a discussion with my work mates about intelligence. It came about because one of my female work mates whilst being absolutely lovely is the blondest person i've ever met. My male work mates stated that women are either beautiful or intelligent, that it is rare to find both qualities in a woman. In their defence to stop you thinking they are completely sexist they agreed it was hard to find males who were both too.

I would chalk that up mostly to the stereotypical mindset of a society that has a love/hate relationship with beauty. What I believe most measure as "intelligence" is actually disposition and social skill, which is fair enough to observe empirically. These often superficial qualities often need to be focused on more intensely by someone who can't get by on their looks alone. This is of course not to say there aren't people walking about who are pretty and have room-temperature IQs. Inversely, there are plenty of people who are good looking, intelligent and likable all at once. I just sometimes feel that as Americans get uglier, dumber and more cynical, the mythology of you can't be both attractive and intelligent increases exponentially; it is a reflection upon our own ugliness as a people, in fact.

Lost upon many of the men who find themselves a little too caught up in the bimbo fetish is the fact that more than one hot chick has acted that way merely to get what she wants. In private, their voices and mannerisms eviscerate effortlessly. I have seen this from time to time, and I can't help but smile a little when I do. Who is the real dummy? It can be hard to say sometimes; things are not always what they seem.

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/5/2009 7:21:48 AM

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/5/2009 7:42:21 AM

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There are many beautiful and intelligent women. I've known enough of them in person that I don't need to try and imagine the intelligence of famous women I've never met.

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/5/2009 8:04:31 AM

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Kitinsol - I admit this grudgingly becasue she can be annoying as hell some times.

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/5/2009 8:06:24 AM

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hmmm what measures intelligence...a lot of the celebrity girls we think of as dingy make a lot more money than us. So who is the most intelligent?

I’ve always thought intelligence is an overrated attribute…how many mensa members have made a real contribution to this world?

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/5/2009 8:07:56 AM

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I’ve always thought intelligence is an overrated attribute

I hope not, its my best feature

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/5/2009 8:10:57 AM

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I’ve always thought intelligence is an overrated attribute

I hope not, its my best feature

That. And your cushiony lips, doe eyes, round breasts, and cute button nose *sigh*...

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/5/2009 8:10:59 AM

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well, you do have a great ass, too.. and lovely, kissable lips. Oh, and you're wonderful to hug....

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RE: Intelligent and beautiful !! - 6/5/2009 8:12:11 AM

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Please form a queue behind me. I saw her first. Cheers

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