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RE: Death of a M/mate - 2/15/2006 1:03:31 PM   
BitaTruble


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Is there a universal value system that makes one greater than the other that I don't know about?


Universal? When it comes to BDSM, I can't think of a single thing which is universal. Even 'consent', which is the only thing I hold sacred, has been vilified by some quarters. Nope, given 'this' context, I'll join your voice and say I don't know of one either, but then I don't believe that BDSM is better than vanilla. Just different.


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RE: Death of a M/mate - 2/15/2006 3:28:29 PM   
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Perhaps I should book you both into the honeymoon suite in a five star hotel so you can both get this out of your systems??????

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RE: Death of a M/mate - 2/15/2006 3:50:31 PM   
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I guess I am sorry I ever even answered this thread.

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RE: Death of a M/mate - 2/15/2006 3:57:13 PM   
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I guess I am sorry I ever even answered this thread.


Why lass? I wasn't refering to you but rather to both KoM and BitaTrouble....

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RE: Death of a M/mate - 2/15/2006 4:01:42 PM   
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Ohhh, because I took a couple comments too personally and seriously, and jumped all over the posters...which is where this wonderful debate is now surfacing from

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RE: Death of a M/mate - 2/15/2006 7:13:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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Is there a universal value system that makes one greater than the other that I don't know about?


Universal? When it comes to BDSM, I can't think of a single thing which is universal. Even 'consent', which is the only thing I hold sacred, has been vilified by some quarters. Nope, given 'this' context, I'll join your voice and say I don't know of one either, but then I don't believe that BDSM is better than vanilla. Just different.


Celeste


not only BDSM... it's pretty hard to think of anything that has any universality to it. Well unless you go with the standard...Death and Taxes! But, people seem to evade taxes and as far as death... mmmm we always seem to try and cheat that too *G*.... maybe if we wait long enough someone will find a way to cheat that for good too

the issue of consent is deserving of a thread of all it's own... But applying some unversal context to is what I would consider impossible.

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RE: Death of a M/mate - 2/15/2006 7:17:54 PM   
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Perhaps I should book you both into the honeymoon suite in a five star hotel so you can both get this out of your systems??????



why? bita is a picture slut... I don't mind a few pictures being taken... so get a camera and take some pictures *w* Just remember you can't sell or use said pictures for profit without the written permission of myself and bita.

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RE: Death of a M/mate - 2/15/2006 7:30:03 PM   
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i have never seen anyone spend so much energy trying to knock someone out. i am going to take my closed little mind and move to a different thread, as this one has become wrought with circular logic.

KOM, enjoy. i have too much going on in my real life to read your dissertations of who you think i am. i give, you win. Next?

BitaTrouble, i give you kudos for sticking it out. And, i love your posts...have i said that before?


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RE: Death of a M/mate - 2/15/2006 8:09:00 PM   
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Perhaps I should book you both into the honeymoon suite in a five star hotel so you can both get this out of your systems??????


Yankee stadium already booked?

;P

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RE: Death of a M/mate - 2/15/2006 8:13:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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Perhaps I should book you both into the honeymoon suite in a five star hotel so you can both get this out of your systems??????


Yankee stadium already booked?

;P



mmmmmmmmmmm at a hundred dollars a ticket... mmmmmmmm I think I could afford to buy those blue suede shoes I have been wanting

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RE: Death of a M/mate - 2/18/2006 6:23:22 AM   
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I really wanted to respond to the OP on this one, having lived through losing 2 Owners, who were also 2 beloved mates. We were a poly household, and though I wanted to respond to this, I hedged for a long time, while I searched to find the words to describe how we thought about and processed the changes. However, I found another post where I'd been able to express this, so I thought I'd share it. I hope it's not too late to contribute something to this thread, and I hope that it is found to be worthwhile by someone, somewhere along the way. The loss of a mate is a profound change, and we are shaped both by the relationship over the years that we spent with them -and- by the loss of their immediate, physical presence in our lives. That loss will shape us, but it doesn't need to cripple us or destroy us:

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We lost our 2 going on 5 years ago now. One was not as much of a surprise as it might have been. Luke was in a dangerous profession, but one he loved, and we knew that because he worked each and every day around explosives and large masses of concrete, steel and stone, he was at risk. He chose to take those risks, and we cherished every day and every moment with him, and worried about him when he was away -- but I could no more see him in an office than I could see a leopard as an apartment pet. Some beings -- animal or human -- are wild and proud and will not be caged.

It was the loss of Phantom that was a huge shock for us. He died of a ruptured aneurysm, and we had -no- warning... and, in fact, he died in Lady SR's arms before he could even be diagnosed.

Life, and death, comes to all of us in its time. We learned so much from the losses -- about how precious life is, how important it is to love (and to serve) with everything in you every day, because you may not -have- tomorrow to show how much someone means to you. After the losses, we learned how to survive, and eventually to thrive. We learned that loss doesn't mean the end of life for those who are still alive, and that ones life-work doesn't' end just because someone one cherishes can no longer help them to complete it.

It is scary, especially for those who have never contemplated death, but I am not afraid of dying, nor is SR afraid of what it will mean to lose me, nor I her. We know that a part of what we are will always be with each other. We know this, because we've experienced the physical loss, but the remaining spiritual connection. We cherish each moment as precious, and don't waste any of them. We allow ourselves to be guided by our ethics and our dignity, try to make good choices for ourselves, and understand how our choices will affect those around us... in general, we accept life, death, and the inevitable turning of the Wheel.

Cherish your life, and live honestly and fully... you'll never be sorry, no matter what happens to challenge you.

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< Message edited by LadiesBladewing -- 2/18/2006 6:24:11 AM >


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RE: Death of a M/mate - 2/18/2006 6:37:45 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

quote:

Perhaps I should book you both into the honeymoon suite in a five star hotel so you can both get this out of your systems??????


Yankee stadium already booked?

;P


quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists


quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

quote:

Perhaps I should book you both into the honeymoon suite in a five star hotel so you can both get this out of your systems??????


Yankee stadium already booked?

;P



mmmmmmmmmmm at a hundred dollars a ticket... mmmmmmmm I think I could afford to buy those blue suede shoes I have been wanting


Ok if you both can wait and keep you knickers on till the super bowl next year, I'll book you both for the Half Time Entertainment so you can have international coverage. Least it wopuld be better that the "Accident" Janet Jackson had.

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