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Here's one from your State Slaveboyforyou.   http://www.policepay.net/ListContractsByState.asp?SelState=Arkansas  Maybe its simply a hoax.

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou


Thank you Vampz, you understand.  I don't hate the police.  I hate the authoritarian society that we are becoming because of fear.  I have zero respect for people that take an oath to defend the Constitution, than completely disregard it at every turn.

When someone says, why don't you complain about criminals?  Well....they are criminals. I expect criminals to act like criminals. I expect the police to act like public servants. When they don't, it causes me to be outraged.

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Slaveboy, humm, have to wonder if all can't be done in safe manner. Reversing several of the Bush/Cheney Privacy Act laws would help. Basically they played on peoples fear emotions and wham... Problem we too often see is people who sit and comment well if you aren't doing anything wrong why should it matter if Uncle Sam wants to look see ones library habits. They seem to overlook the question= Why does Uncle Sam want to see that info and why is he collecting it? FFS their technology isn't good enof that they tell us to watch our neighbors...
 
LoL, well off topic aren't I? Sorry~

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If you keep shortening my name as i believe i have asked you in the past NOT to do - i won't be saying anything to you.

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But please explain to me HOW this isn't a contract based upon union representation.  Let's see i have to type this but if you read Article II, Section 1:  The city recognizes F.O.P. Lodge #17, as exclusive representative agent for the employees within the unit covered by this Agreement which shall include all commissioned officers of the rank Sargeant and below."

And just so you know the F.O.P is recognize nationally as a Union.  So i am really lost here what you believe a union contract is.

angel

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Slaveboy,
Ok really ucky but Brave and Honest of you to admit to voting for Bush...  Cough, you can't help but fit a stereotype (of mine) here and there. LoL...

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Amen, slaveboy. I couldn't agree more. People can start as many threads as they want about all the bad criminals. It doesn't negate what these particular cops did. As you said, we should be able to expect better from those charged with enforcing the law.

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ORIGINAL: MissDominae

Slaveboy for you,
as I believe you will reject this post's content or, as least, pick a thousand holes in it for various reasons, I find myself wondering why I am bothering to post it.   Perhaps it is just that, in my view,  it needs to be said.

I was a serving member of my State Police between 1978 - 1996.   I am not American and have not served in an American police system but, given the generalitisations you make towards Police members I doubt that disqualifies my comments, so here goes.

Police are all too human.   In my 18 years of service I never met one who joined for power or corrupnness.   Au contraire, all that I met joined through a sense of idealism; a serious desire to do something positive for their community, to make the world a better place for all who live in it.   That idealism is beaten down and broken down over years of assaults, abuse, stress, danger, disrespect, physical and emotional pain and a system geared towards the rights of the criminal above all else; by that I mean that it takes every and all steps to ensure that NO guilty person is ever convicted.   Like every system it fails but please accept this as a truth - that system sees a large number of guilty people released for every not guilty person it convicts nd most police, as much as they grumble when someone they "know" is guilty gets off, would NOT have it any other way.   The though of the innocent being convicted is anathema to them.

The breakdown of that idealism takes many faces.   Some become insensitive and yes, brutal, but only a VERY few.   More by far become less effective; less inclined to work as hard or go that extra yard or put in that extra hour.   They go through the motions, do what they have to and go home.   Others become very dysfunctional through alcohol, stress or the like.   Some become crooks themselves, and EVERY serving Police member hates and despises a crooked cop, and a brutal cop, because it makes the job that much harder for every one of us.   We may not like our local equivalent of Internal Affairs very much - it is not human nature to "like" those whose only job appears on the surface to be hounding us and second guessing through hindsight every split second snap decision we make, but we all recognise the necessity for such a group and cooperate with it.   As I said earlier; cops hate crooked or brutal cops even more than you do; you can choose to believe that, or not - I don't care.

Take a group of ordinary, everyday members of your community.   Train them and guide them, arm them and educate them.   Prepare them as best as you can ......... and then watch what the job does to them over the ensuing years.   Watch what scraping teenagers off the side of a lamppole after a car accident does to them.   Watch them get the crap beaten out of them during a brawl because both sides of the brawl turn on them the moment they arrive, and yet then watch them be patched up, healed and go out to do it all over again.   Watch them cry over the 12 year old crack addict that just died in their arms, or the still-bleeding corpse of the wife just murdered by her drunken husband (or vice versa; it does happen).   Be with them as they pay their final respects to one of their own who ran out of luck one day, or ran out of courage and couldn't face another day ....... and look inside them as they realise all too clearly that their day might come as soon as their next shift.   See the faces of their families as they leave for their shift, never knowing if their loved one will come home, EVERY SINGLE DAY of their working life.

Administraive leave after an incident such as you describe is standard.   It allows the prosecutors to investigate fully, allows the medical and mental health of the Officer to be ascertained and monitored and allows the facts to be established independantly.   OF COURSE it is paid leave - until such time as charges are laid the person is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.   Remember that one?   Ever heard of 'Due Process"?

I am not going to abuse or criticise you for your posts.   What I am going to say is this - you have no justification in making sweeping generalisations about all Police based on the acts of a statistical few, and all the comments you make come from the perspective of someone who CANNOT understand the consiant difficulties inherent in policing because you have never been in the situation to find out.   You should never sit on a Jury against a Police member because you are not their peer, yet it is biased folk like you who form the juries that all charged Police Officers must fact.   Even given that circumstance, the conviction rate for Police Officers charged for violence-related crimes is (I am told) under 20%.   What does that say to you?

Police officers are not perfect.   They are human.   They make mistakes and do the wrong thing and even break laws sometimes and they deserve to face the consequences of those acts, but they ALSO deserve to be given the decency to have the entire picture of their lives and work circumstances looked at, not just the narrow little slice you choose to view..

I won't be reading any replies to this nor responding to any comments, because I know it won't change any minds.   It was said because I owed that to the men and women I served with, bled with and, in too many cases, watched burn out, break down and even die.   Someone who had been there had to answer the vitriol of people like you who had not been there.   I might have been retired for 15 years but the call came for someone to Uphold the Right, and I answered the call ........ just as they do, time after time.   You can hand your Uniform back but you never really take it off.

Slaveboyforyou, you just run along and go hang out with your friends and bitch about cops to your heart's content.   Those same cops will be out there keeping you safe whilst you do, and whilst you sleep, and whilst you're celebrating Thanksgiving or Christmas or Hannukah or whatever.   No matter how much you hate them, despise them, sneer at them, spit at them, they will still do all they can to save you in a time of need, to protect your rights and to allow you to live safely and free.   Yes, there are bad ones but there are a hell of a lot more good ones that your sneering disrespects for no reason.   People like you choose to overlook that.

I pity you your bias.   To never see the good that exists in the world; how sad that must be.

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

MissDominae, I appreciate your post.  I read every bit of it.  I am not going to pick it apart.  I do not hate police officers.  I have just seen an alarming trend toward acceptance toward brutality since I was a teenager.  Loki, made a few comments in another thread about how he found it hillarious that a woman did the "tazer dance" for being non-compliant.  I find that kind of attitude to be barbaric.  I don't take pleasure in the suffering of other human beings; I don't care what they did.  We have a lot of people that think in that way.  They view police brutality as amusing.  It's funny to them that the police beat the hell out of someone or fire CO2 propelled electrical darts into someone that is disagreeing with the arresting officer.  It appeals to the lowest of human instincts. 

My minor in college was criminal justice.  I have toured prisons, I know the law, and I don't like what I've seen.  As I've said, we incarcerate more people than any country in the world.  Why is that?  It's disgusting that we allow that.  You're an  Aussie; you're country doesn't lock up the amount of people that we do even in proportion to population.  I can't help being sickened by this.  Why in the hell are we number one jailer in the world?  Why?  Explain that to me. 

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I don't take pleasure in the suffering of other human beings;

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

Slaveboyforyou, its not your unpopular opinions people are taking issue with, its your completely negative generalization of MILLIONS versus the few action of a very small minority.  And views like yours, to me, creates dangerous and harmful situations for ALL involved.   We all agree there are bad cops, and we all agree they should be investigated and dealt with in all areas of law when applicable. NO ONE is debating that with you and NO ONE ever has as far as i can tell.

You have an issue with the SYSTEM, and instead of fighting the SYSTEM, you want to fight those who enforce the system because at this time ITS THE LAW - you advocate a dangerous situation.   And that creates dangerous and violital situations for all involved.  Being rebellious is a child's emotion, ACTING upon such against people enforcing what you don't like is acting like a child. 

I have asked this before of you but seriously, what have you done to try and change the system you hate so much you are willing to allow your generalized attitude put millions of cops at risk by incitng resistance to arrest, rebelling against those enforcing laws on the books, advocating violence and harrassment against these people and advocating negative feelings as a general feeling against them?  I don't believe you have ever answered that question.  Fighting those who enforce what is on the books, won't change what is on the books.

Your generalization against those enforcing things you don't like is what creates the volital situation wherein your precious criminals find themselves and call themselves victims of people simply enforcing laws they are suspected of breaking.

I also think i am banging my head against a wall, so i am done for now at least. Good luck with your bitterness and vitrol againt Men and women who would and do put their lives on the line to protect you even if you don't encounter them daily.

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel
I have asked this before of you but seriously, what have you done to try and change the system you hate so much you are willing to allow your generalized attitude put millions of cops at risk by incitng resistance to arrest, rebelling against those enforcing laws on the books, advocating violence and harrassment against these people and advocating negative feelings as a general feeling against them?

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I have asked this before of you but seriously, what have you done to try and change the system you hate so much you are willing to allow your generalized attitude put millions of cops at risk by incitng resistance to arrest, rebelling against those enforcing laws on the books, advocating violence and harrassment against these people and advocating negative feelings as a general feeling against them?  I don't believe you have ever answered that question.  Fighting those who enforce what is on the books, won't change what is on the books.