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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/13/2009 8:27:12 PM   
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I ran for public office when I was 21.  I ran for Constable in my township at the same time my father was running for Justice of the Peace.  We both filed as Republicans.  I lost, but I did win 46% of the vote.


I can honestly....HONESTLY say I wish you had won. Then you'd be just as hated as the people you hate today. And you'd know how it felt to do a thankless job for people who hate you and seek every opportunity to discredit you, without caring whether or not you made it home at the end of the day.


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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/13/2009 8:36:17 PM   
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Honestly, that doesn't seem like much to change the SYSTEM you hate so much and think is SOO unfair.  You are 33 now right? So you blame the political party based on people not wanting a 21 year old as Constable?  G figure.    Most people i know who really want change and are dedicated to changing instead of bitching usually end up in Washington to change Federal Laws which many times then filter down changing STATE laws.  They write letters, they lobby, they organize people to write more letters and lobby for change on many different levels of government,  they get out and do more than go to town meetings and county meetings, they acually do things to have change made no matter how hard it gets.  For someone as passionate about his negative and hate for the current system, i am really disappointed in the action on your part.  I am serious in this not sarcastic or whatnot, i really expected you to show a lot more action advocating change in the system you are so passionately against.

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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/13/2009 8:36:31 PM   
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I can honestly....HONESTLY say I wish you had won. Then you'd be just as hated as the people you hate today. And you'd know how it felt to do a thankless job for people who hate you and seek every opportunity to discredit you, without caring whether or not you made it home at the end of the day.


Loki, you don't know what you're talking about.  Constables in Arkansas are a political position.  Yes they have the right to make arrests, but they don't generally.  It's an archaic office.  It's basically a political position to do favors for folks.  I was irritated by the current office holder, who owns a security guard and bail bond service.  He was a crook.  So when my father ran, I asked if he would mind me running.  He was overjoyed.  He paid the registration fee for me.  I must have knocked on 40,000 doors asking to talk to people.  It was a great experience.  I heard a lot of stories.  It shaped my views on the world more than anything else.  I was an idealist back then.  I'm not so much anymore.  I sometimes wish I hade that same youthful passion I once had. 

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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/13/2009 8:56:34 PM   
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Loki, you don't know what you're talking about.  Constables in Arkansas are a political position.  Yes they have the right to make arrests, but they don't generally.  It's an archaic office.  It's basically a political position to do favors for folks.


Ohhhhhh so your big plan to 'change the system' was to run for an "archaic office" position that doesn't really do anything? No....it seems I know just what I am talking about. It's the same thing angel is. You talk a great game about the horrors and injustice of the world, but you do nothing about it.

"Do favors for folks" there's LOTS of people with "political positions that do favors for folks." Those folks are usually called lobbyist. It's generally believed that they are ruining Washington and the country.

Good job. I applaud your grand scheme to change the world.


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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/13/2009 9:08:06 PM   
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Government employees don't have union contracts.  The FOP is not a union technically.  Yes, they do act as advocates for police officers, but they are not a true union. 



Collective Bargaining Agreement between Iowa and the State Police Officers Council

Collective Bargaining Agreement between Portland and Portland Police Benevolent Association

Collective Bargaining Agreement between Framingham, MA and the Framingham Police Officers Union

Collective Bargaining Agreements by State

Collective Bargaining Agreement between Little Rock, Arkansas and FOP Lodge #17 *

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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/13/2009 9:29:23 PM   
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It's the same thing angel is. You talk a great game about the horrors and injustice of the world, but you do nothing about it.

"Do favors for folks" there's LOTS of people with "political positions that do favors for folks." Those folks are usually called lobbyist. It's generally believed that they are ruining Washington and the country.

Good job. I applaud your grand scheme to change the world.


What have you done?  Nothing I take it?  You talk a lot of shit, but you really haven't done much have you, Loki?  You just like to criticize others.  C'mon now, I told you what I did.  Are you a punk?  Or are you just a hypocrite?  Tell us what you've done. 

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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/13/2009 10:04:31 PM   
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Of course, Loki isn't going to answer.  By the way, every thing I've said is verified through my county records.  I bet Loki has never done shit but watch cop videos.  Where's your contribution Lokie? 

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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/13/2009 10:30:48 PM   
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Criminals are not charged with s solemn duty to protect the populace. Your comment makes no sense, as law enforcement have a duty to act in a manner that does not endanger others or abuse the authority granted to them by the will of the people, via the government we elect.


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Maybe we should post all the news stories about criminals and how they disrespect ALL people as they commit crimes



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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/13/2009 10:40:47 PM   
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I said I wasn't going to reply further, but .......

Slaveboyforyou, criticise Loki and Angel if you want for not having "done" anything, as you put it.   I've done more than watch videos or run for office.  I am not a cop groupie or a cop apologist and I am not naively saying all cops are bad OR good.   I HAVE earned my right to make an informed comment though.   I gave 18 years of my life to my community through my Police service and I have the scars - emotional and physical - to show for it.   I have been beaten and I have been stabbed.   I have had bones broken.   I have used a service issue firearm and had firearms used against me.   Yes, I have used violence to subdue offenders, prevent offences and affect arrests, to the level permitted by law and the force dictated by the necessity of the moment.   I do not resile from that.   Like most police I have faced counter-suit and civil suit because of my actions and have been forced to defend myself.   In EVERY case - and this is true for well over 99% of such suits - independant investigation found the complaints against me groundless but I still had to endure that stress and - this might surprise you - most Police see this as a necessary part of ensuring the system works and wouldn't have it any other way.     I have paid my dues and, in so doing, I have earned my right to an opinion.   No one wishes to deny YOY your right to an opinion either, but what serving Police DO ask is that you grant them the same fairness granted any other person and do not judge them until all the evidence is presented.   You don't seem to grasp that.

My opinion is this; your views against Police are far too sweeping and generalising in type.   There are good and bad in all walks of life and Police are not exempt from that, yet far and away the vast majority of Police fairly, sensitively and justly uphold the laws they are given, using the training and equipment they are provided, to the best of their abilities, day in and day out, in the face of threat and consequence that the lucky members of society like yourself only ever need have nightmares about.   They face that nightmare every day and then come back the next day to do it all again.

These particular police, via their contretemps with the Paramedics, may have been in the wrong totally, partially or not at all - I simply don't know and will wait for a full, complete and independant review of their actions before commenting.   I wasn't there so I don't intend to judge them and I have complete confidence that, once judged, they will either face punishment if deserved or apology if warranted.  

What I* do* know is that, across the nation at the very same time were probably another half a million Law Enforcement Officers - who DIDN'T make the news that night - doing all the dirty, dangerous, dehumanising and soul-destroying tasks that are part of Policing across the world.   They were crying over needless death, being assaulted for enforcing the laws that they did not right but swore an Oath to uphold, helping people, steering children free of drugs, directing traffic, providing safety at sporting and public events, missing family gatherings and important personal events because they place us and duty first, being killed wrongfully and shamefully and, generally, being some of the best role models our society has at a ridiculously bargain-basement price.  

Criticise the ones in the wrong if you must - and I repeat that I think that, in fairness,  you should wait until all the facts are in and the full story known - but for the sake of all that is decent, come out and give your full and unqualified support for all those others out there who are doing all of these good things so you can sit back in comfort and criticise them on line.  If you are so unhappy about the state of the Legal and Justice sysatems in your Nation then DO something.   Running once, 12 years ago, for an 'archaic office' that is nothing more than a 'political position which does favours' is not "doing something" and NEITHER is sitting on here whinging about things which you only know about through the filter of media outlets and have no first-hand experience over.   Earn the right to comment by doing something as meaningful in your life as the hundreds of thousands of Police Officers across your country do every single day and then you will have earned the right to be listened to as someone with an informed position to comment upon.

I swore an Oath that I would lay down my life to protect my community.   I did so even for those like you who have not one good thing to say about those who serve the community day and night, but at the end of the day I often asked myself why I bothered.   People like you, who take one or two or even a dozen incidents and tar a whole law enforcement community with them, are one very significant reason people like me eventually say "I've had enough" and leave.   We should never cease fair and just oversight of our Police but what you are espousing in your posts is neither fair nor just; it is simply denigration born of personal bias.

Think on that for a while.     


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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/13/2009 11:17:57 PM   
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Slaveboyforyou, you just run along and go hang out with your friends and bitch about cops to your heart's content.   Those same cops will be out there keeping you safe whilst you do, and whilst you sleep, and whilst you're celebrating Thanksgiving or Christmas or Hannukah or whatever.   No matter how much you hate them, despise them, sneer at them, spit at them, they will still do all they can to save you in a time of need, to protect your rights and to allow you to live safely and free.   Yes, there are bad ones but there are a hell of a lot more good



MissDominae, I have removed most of your post due to its length. I write to support you and to add my voice to those who defend the police. I have worked as an emergency nurse for many years (no longer do though) and I have seen and heard what police have to deal with in the course of their working lives, I couldnt do it, face the threat of injury/death in the line of work I do each day, see the ugly face of humanity, see the results of abuse and neglect, deal with injured, killed children and the list goes on.

I re-emphasise, police are people and it is only a few who truly abuse their positions and this fact is often ignored by those who have a stake in decrying the work of police. There is much more I could say but it has mostly been covered by earlier posters.

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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/13/2009 11:21:08 PM   
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Its been all over the news...i just saw something on it a few minutes ago. But i am watching a "Cable news channel"






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Its been all over the news


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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 12:14:53 AM   
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Honestly, that doesn't seem like much to change the SYSTEM you hate so much and think is SOO unfair.  You are 33 now right? So you blame the political party based on people not wanting a 21 year old as Constable?  G figure.    Most people i know who really want change and are dedicated to changing instead of bitching usually end up in Washington to change Federal Laws which many times then filter down changing STATE laws.  They write letters, they lobby, they organize people to write more letters and lobby for change on many different levels of government,  they get out and do more than go to town meetings and county meetings, they acually do things to have change made no matter how hard it gets.  For someone as passionate about his negative and hate for the current system, i am really disappointed in the action on your part.  I am serious in this not sarcastic or whatnot, i really expected you to show a lot more action advocating change in the system you are so passionately against.

angel


I respect Slaveboys attempt to affect change at the local level more than the thieves who go to Washington to steal as much as possible.

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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 12:32:03 AM   
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Again, who's gonna start the thread of all the crimes people commit......


You know what else is funny? He keeps going on about the "blue wall of silence"......what...I guess the gang members and criminals are just oh-so-forthcoming with information when THEY commit crimes, right?

I'm sure all criminals just run right up to the cops and say "I did it, I did it. Lock me up."




There was a chief of police of a major metropolitan area who was asked how a civic minded group could help the police in light of all the liberal court decisions.  He said "Don't worry about it.  My officers can lie better than the innocent can tell the truth."

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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 12:51:00 AM   
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Alright, I read every post in this thread, watched 2 videos of, and read 1 newspaper article on this subject and have decided to throw my 2 cents in just for shits and giggles.

My first impressions:  1) The ambulance is private..it was hired to transport the patient from point A to point B, which may or may not be relevent.  2)  Its unclear why the ambulance was pulled over.... was he driving recklessly or just speeding?  3) Fairly early in the video the trooper tells the driver "get back in the ambulance before you go to jail" and the driver gets a little mouthy.  4) When the trooper attempts to arrest the driver, the driver resists, with force.  Ok, not deadly force, but he pushed the cop, and thats a definite no-no.  5) Things start to get kinda hairy...bunch of cops, 1 resisting driver...and the cop puts his hand around the drivers neck.  Again, no deadly force was used, the melee quieted down a bit and some sanity and calmness was restored quickly.  Not so bad, in my opinion.... better than having the driver on the ground getting kicked and pistol whipped :)

I'm not a cop, not a judge, not a lawyer. I'm a 911 operator and a human being.  Was the cop a dick for pulling over the ambulance?  Yeah, probably, unless the ambulance was playing bumper-cars on the freeway.  Was the ambulance driver a dick for getting snotty with the cop after getting pulled over? Yeah, probably, but I get pissy too when I'm pulled over.  And this guy was trying to get a patient to a hospital. I can see why he'd be frustrated.

The whole situation is unfortunate and sad, and probably should never have happened to begin with.  It kinda seems like a bad traffic stop quickly spiralled downward and everyone involved had some part to play in that.  Just my opinion.

And since i'm throwing my opinion around....  I think it was Angel that said she didnt like unions.  I never liked them much myself either.  But then I became a civilian employee of the Sheriffs Office.  Everything associated with my employment from salary to acceptable conduct is governed by the Collective Bargaining Agreement made between the Sheriff and the Union.  I have to abide by that regardless of whether or not I'm a union member.  I realized that if I cant beat 'em I have to join 'em.  And the truth is, if for some reason i'm ever called into IAB, yes, i want a Union rep at my side who knows all the ins and outs of that agreement, not some lawyer I hired who doesnt know the first thing about it.  I still think unions are no more than legal mafias.

Just sayin'



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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 12:57:13 AM   
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What have you done?  Nothing I take it?  You talk a lot of shit, but you really haven't done much have you, Loki?  You just like to criticize others.  C'mon now, I told you what I did.  Are you a punk?  Or are you just a hypocrite?  Tell us what you've done. 


What have I done? That's not even remotely relevant because I'm not the one on here bitching about the system and swearing I'll let criminals off because I don't believe in the system.

I believe in the system. Sure, it's not perfect, but I have yet to hear of a better one. I don't try and change the system because I have no problem with it.

As for "what I've done." That's easy. While you were being "let off the hook" of military service by your father and "trying" to become a constable that by your own admission is little more than an office that does nothing but 'favors,' I was busy *actually* serving the country in the military.


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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 12:58:16 AM   
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Criminals are not charged with s solemn duty to protect the populace. Your comment makes no sense, as law enforcement have a duty to act in a manner that does not endanger others or abuse the authority granted to them by the will of the people, via the government we elect.



No, but the common factor in both groups of people is that they are both human and subject to all that entails.


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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 12:59:57 AM   
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I respect Slaveboys attempt to affect change at the local level more than the thieves who go to Washington to steal as much as possible.



Did you miss the part where he likened the constable's office to little more than an archaic office that just 'does favors for folks?'

Sounds an awful lot like a bought and paid for politician if I've ever heard one.


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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 1:02:21 AM   
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There was a chief of police of a major metropolitan area who was asked how a civic minded group could help the police in light of all the liberal court decisions.  He said "Don't worry about it.  My officers can lie better than the innocent can tell the truth."


And?

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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 1:37:46 AM   
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It amazes me that some people think people advocate BAD cops simply because they advocate cops as a whole because the majority of them aren't bad cops.  But its easier to generalize instead of seeing the actual statistics because then you can say well criminals shouldn't be held responsible.  The problem is when a cop is bad its just not that cop that gets labeled its a whole force that has to refight for the respect of people beause its easier to make them all bad, instead of seeing the reality of the situation.

angel

That's the entire point. Police departments are supposed to work as a cohesive unit. One idiot's abuse of power should tarnish the system under which he came to be in said power.

I'm not sure if these responses are specifically angled because of a previous "all cops are bad" thread somewhere else around here, but countering the blatant horror of such an abuse by someone who is put into a position of power because their competence should be able to live up to meriting it...countering it by making comparative judgments about people who are just recklessly criminal is preposterous.

It is akin to responding to an article about a parent physically abusing a child with "Well, if we linked every story of a school bully hitting another kid...".


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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 1:43:07 AM   
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No, but the common factor in both groups of people is that they are both human and subject to all that entails.

This is the silliest thing I've ever read.

That's the common factor?! We're all human and humans err so a cop committing an atrocity is equivalent to a street thug committing one?

While we're at it, let's have parents scour the sex offender state lists for potential babysitters. After all, they're just as human (and likely to err) as daycare workers.


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