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RE: The voices in my head. - 6/16/2009 9:26:22 AM   
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Ah well that really changes things. I thought you meant you were communicating with some entity along the lines of my voices.


Not in that situation. The thing is, I feel as though there are times when I am recieving information from 'somewhere/one' else, but not in the same manner that you are discribing.

The other person, however, was experiencing things much closer to what you are discribing, and when I followed their request, I was able to find a place that was relative to what they discribed, and their image was nearby...  actually (I just looked again), their image is a part of that place.

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RE: The voices in my head. - 6/16/2009 10:01:40 AM   
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Arpig, I congratulate you and admire you for your strength and courage in dealing with this and also posting about it. I've had 2 friends who MPD - multiple personality disorder and one of them was quite close. Because they didn't tell me about the MPD, I never understood why some conversations were never remembered at the next conversation or some other things that didn't match up. Turns out I was talking with different personalities. The one, a sub, had over 15 different personlities and each one had their own "voice', memories, lives, education, you name it. One was deathly allergic (stopped breathing) to chocolate yet another personality could eat it with no problems. One could sick but another would be fine. You could see the difference in the physical condition when different personalities came out. Unfortunately, the friendship broke up not because of the MPD but because of a number of lies I was told. I simply couldn't trust them.

You will be in my thoughts that this works out the way you want it to. You've always struck me as intelligent with a sense of humour, and with great strength of character too. This is an incredible thread - thank you.   


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RE: The voices in my head. - 6/16/2009 10:27:10 AM   
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Thanks Rainfir. That sounds like quite the wild experience, 15 different personalities and all. As to the lying, well with 15 different people all borrowing the same body, one would end up having to lie just to try keep everything straight with the real world. As well (at least as far as voices go, and I believe the MPD personalities are the same) the voices want to be kept secret, so they will get you to lie about things in order to keep them that way. Even talking about them on here with the meds supressing them, I feel  great relutance to do so. The need to keep them secret is deeply ingrained and not easy to overcome. I suspect that many MPD people are not even really aware they have MPD, and that those that are aware are afraid of revealing this fact. With MPD, the need to lie would be greater than with the voices, because with MPD, your body is actually off doing things without yourknowledge (or at least that's how I understand it to be), so there are actions and personal interactions that must be accounted for.


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RE: The voices in my head. - 6/16/2009 1:50:51 PM   
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One question I had as I have read and re-read this thread. Did I read correctly that your individual voices tried to help (if that's the right word) with the general voices? IE telling you they were bad and to not listen to them.

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RE: The voices in my head. - 6/16/2009 2:15:43 PM   
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That is correct scifi. They told me the general voices were caused by the Gods/Demons, and that I should ignore them. When any of them was present when a general voice was active (they were active most of the time, the individual voices were not), they would offer me encouragement, and sometimes try to drown the general voice out.

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RE: The voices in my head. - 6/16/2009 3:04:04 PM   
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Thanks, thats really interesting that your subconscience created its own buffer so to speak against the worst impulses.

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RE: The voices in my head. - 6/16/2009 3:09:41 PM   
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Yeah. But having good and bad voices is not uncommon, apparently.

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RE: The voices in my head. - 6/16/2009 3:14:27 PM   
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I have to say Im really glad you did this....I think it has open alot of our eyes to this thing that we knew nothing about. Hearing it first hand from someone who is going through it was a real eye opener for me. Thank you.

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RE: The voices in my head. - 6/16/2009 3:15:04 PM   
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I must thank you for having the courage to speak about yourself in this manner and it shows the great strength of character you have and the courage to speak of something which many are unable. I know since following this thread, you have helped me to understand a bit more on what a person has to deal with when afflicted with schizophrenia.
  A long time friend of mine also suffers from this and from what little I had heard, his was caused from his imbibing in illegal substances in his early twenties and/or combined with the high pressure from the type of job he had at that time. Whether that is true I can't say for sure as I always felt it wasn't for me to pry into something which I felt wasn't any of my business, and for that reason I had never felt comfortable enough to ask questions to clear my own lack of education. What I do know from seeing "Joe" is the voices which he hears were voices that will tempt him to self destruction. For the longest time, the medications he was prescribed had severe side effects, anywhere from rapid weight gain to affecting his nervous system to the extent that he had uncontrollable body shaking. Though a few years ago, his physician was able to find a drug combo which has less severe side effects, his weight is more manageable and has less episodes of the voices telling him to end it all.
   


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RE: The voices in my head. - 6/16/2009 3:27:42 PM   
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I have read in various places that schizophrenia can be brought on by "imbibing in illegal substances" as you so quaintly put it , but I really don't know. What I do know is that in my 20s I certainly did imbibe in substances both legal and illegal, often, regularly, and pretty much whatever I could get my hands on. One of the reasons I did so was it relieved a feeling of overwhelming pressure I felt within my mind. It felt as if my mind was going to crack open at the seams. That's the best I can explain it. At any rate, I indulged in many different things, particularly LSD, which for a long while I did 2-3 times a week. All that stopped a long time ago, in my late 20s. So, I can't say that it had no bearing on my present condition, but given my background, there's a pretty good chance it did.
So far I have not developped any tiks or twitchs, or rapid weight gain, however I am on relatively low doses, and I seem to be responding to these low doses...we shall see if that continues or not.


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RE: The voices in my head. - 6/16/2009 3:55:18 PM   
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How strange that this thread turns to acid. Because I was just about to relate to people how I heard voices while on it. I remember stepping outside my own body. That's as close as I get to whats being said. Unfortunately this thread makes me so attentive, that I forget what I thought of to add! lololol

I do recall, this morning first thing when I woke, I wanted to say I saw a movie called a Beautiful Mind, about this guy who was good at math and who wanted to teach at Princeton. That was based on a true story and I watched it with fascination. It was all these elements we are discussing here. I recall my students in class also being rivited to the story. Rare in high school for sure. Usually they pass notes and talk. So this thread would have a lot of people reading. Thats for sure. 

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RE: The voices in my head. - 6/16/2009 4:02:54 PM   
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I have seen A Beautiful Mind as well. It is one of my favourite movies, and one of the few DVDs I own. That is a wonderful example of what happens when somebody has hallucinations that are not just voices. I can't imagine having full on hallucinations like he did. There is a scene where the Professor asks a student if she sees this guy who is wanting to talk to him. He needs to confirm that new people in his life are real before he believes them.
The schizophrenic girl I used to talk to (the poet one, whose schizo poems are all posted black-on-black...I hate having to highlight them to read them), her girlfriend burst into tears when she saw that scene, because that's what the schizo girl used to do, confirm that people were real before interacting with them. She said she preferred interacting with people online, because hallucinations can't type.


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RE: The voices in my head. - 6/16/2009 4:03:50 PM   
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As I said, that is what I had heard though I have no idea if that is factual or just supposition on family members because they don't wish to talk about the why's wherefores. 

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RE: The voices in my head. - 6/16/2009 4:08:40 PM   
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Well there seems to be some literature that supports the idea that it can be triggered by drug use, but many patients first experience their voices in their early teens, well before they have the chance to get into any serious abuse, so I guess the best we can say is..could be.

I have been thinking back, and I do recall 4 or 5 instances over the 10 year period when I was a druggy when I heard a voice. It would just say one thing, usually something along the lines of "Kill yourself" very clearly and distinctly. I was generally stoned back then, so I just shrugged it off, but thinking back now, I am not so sure, perhaps the drugs did indeed start something that just took a long time to present.

Edited to add: I just came across an article that says that people who are predisposed to schizophrenia are also generally predisposed to substance abuse, so perhaps it isn't a direct cause and effect relationship after all.


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RE: The voices in my head. - 6/16/2009 4:47:24 PM   
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silly question indeed, how do you explain WAFFLES to them?
LOL, Oddly enough, the topic just never came up. I mentioned earlier that I could allow the voices to take over control of my body, and in that case they could walk around and interact with our world, experiencing things through my body. Unfortunatly, I have no memory of what goes on while one of them is in charge, so can't tell you in any great detail about what transpired, but I do know they all loved chocolate, especially the girls (Day and Night).


Do you currently work?

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RE: The voices in my head. - 6/16/2009 4:50:19 PM   
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It is almost like you are saying you communicate w/ others on a parallel universe.

Plus, I think you are giving personal examples of your archetypes. The various voices I mean.


Well, they did indeed claim they were from a paralell universe . That is one of the things that made it very appealing. One aspect that made me more inclined to believe them was that the voices did not say they wanted me to "speard the word" or anything like that, they had a message for me, not for the whole world.

I don't really understand what is meant by "personal archetypes" but I googled it, and if what wikipedia says is correct, then I don't think they really fit, but it could be, I mean I don't really understand either the voices, or archetypes so its hard to say.

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Arpig,

Why are the voices so constantly negative?

You seem so incredibly deductive....what are your thoughts on that?

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RE: The voices in my head. - 6/16/2009 4:53:23 PM   
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Yes, I work part-time in a call center doing telephone surveys...so the next time you are about to tell the phone-survey dude to F-OFF!....remember, it might be me 

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RE: The voices in my head. - 6/16/2009 4:53:47 PM   
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I find this idea fascinating. I am trying to understand why ‘you’ (the voices) would need to befriend you. I would think if anyone would know how to get you to do something, it would be… you.

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Well, its because while the voices are indeed you, they do not seem to be. They appear to be outside of you. They claim to be something apart from you. Now please understand, I have no extensive knowledge, just a bit of reading, and exchanging some experiences on here. Based on that there does seem to be a pattern. As to why, well you tell me, if you suddenly heard a voice in your head, would you just believe it and trust its judgement right away? Generally no. Even when the voices manifest at around 10 to 15 (the usual time for it to happen) the person hearing the voices is likely to understand that its not normal to do so. It takes time for one to break down their inhibitions and to trust the voices' judgement.

I guess its hard for somebody who has never heard voices to understand how they actually present themselves, so here goes. I will describe what the gebneral voices are like for me. Many of them are just evil voices saying things to me, they make no effort to persuade or influence, they just issue commands, saying things like "Go hang yourself from that tree", "Set fire to that house" things like that. Other of the general voices are more insidious, they will actually try to persuade me to do things. They will go on about it, giving reasons to do it. Most (I would say roughly 90%) of their reasons are that it would be fun, or feel good, or things along those lines. These voices have never tried to befriend me, and I have been able to disregard what they are telling me all along. The individual voices, however, are a different kettle of fish. Because they befriended me, I learned to trust their judgement, and even activly sought out their advice on things. I don't know what I would do if they told me to do something "bad", but I am pretty sure that, given the irrational thinking and paranoia that goes along with the disorder, I could have been persuaded pretty easily to do something.



So....you know when the voices are talking to you that they are not real....but they seem to be?

How do you separate that?

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RE: The voices in my head. - 6/16/2009 4:56:54 PM   
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Arpig,

Why are the voices so constantly negative?

You seem so incredibly deductive....what are your thoughts on that?

That's a good question. I have no real answer for it, but I will think about it and see what I can come up with. Right off the top of my head I would say that in a nromally functioning mind, self-preservation is foremost, so in a mind that is functioning abnormally, perhaps that primary instinct is out of whack, and that's why the voices advocate suicide so often. I realise that's kind of shacky reasoning (irrational thought and all that), but its what popped into my head right away. I'll think about it some more and see if I can come up with any insights.


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RE: The voices in my head. - 6/16/2009 4:57:04 PM   
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Yes, I work part-time in a call center doing telephone surveys...so the next time you are about to tell the phone-survey dude to F-OFF!....remember, it might be me 


I tell you off in a nice way...LOL!

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