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Aneirin -> Neighbours from Hell (6/17/2009 4:51:26 AM)

The dreaded neighbour from hell, at last, I think I got one, but am wondering how to deal with it, me I tend to try and understand a problem before I find the correct action, so I am going to ask a few questions based upon this nfh to try and understand how the situation can be resolved before it gets out of hand, I wish to try and understand just what sort of person  I am dealing with, is it a person with mental issues, or is he just plain evil. Me, I am largely impervious to neighbour gripes, they don't directly bother me, for I have been there before and know something of how antagonists tick, but friends are being terrorized by the guy, one of them being a single woman living alone, and that does affect me, so I am researching to seek the right action, as my action in the past won't work in this case.

Ok, the nbh bought and moved into the apartment some six months ago and immediately started complaining about the standard of the building, forcing money to be spent to meet his standards. That done, he noticed a vacant apartment being rennovated and stuck his nose in there, the owner of the apartment a friend of mine said the nbh had said he hoped a 'pretty little dolly bird ' moves in, which set a few alarms ringing with people who live there.In the mean time this person a 62 year old male divorcee started prowling around, sticking his nose into everyone's property and affairs. A woman did move into the appartment, and he was seen to be watching her as she went about her interest of gardening, even whilst she was in the recent hot weather suitably dressed, out on the garden reading, he made a point of being out in the garden apparently sitting there soaking up the sun, something he does not do otherwise. Well, the woman who was the object of his interest told him to go forth and multiply when he started telling her how she should live to fit in with his expectations. Since then this chap has engaged in a campaign of hate, gossiping with others in the block and telling lies about her, what she is supposedly up to, lies she hears second hand, she is becoming worried and it is affecting her health.

Now, the latest that seems to be happening, but only to her you understand, is her car is being vandalised, aerials snapped off and left on the car, wheel trims going missing, splatters of mud appearing on her car. The petty games of ums one would think, but why only one car in a carpark full of cars, no other car it seems is touched. Other things like where this woman spends most of her time, tending her pot plants and seedlings, plants ripped up, stems broken, supporting canes snapped. No um access to the garden. The result of these petty instances, is this lady feels terrorized, a victim of hate and worries just what will happen next. She feels it is the old letch that is doing it as a means to annoy, find a button to push to make her react and there, I just know, when a reaction occurs, it will be with witnesses around, he will make sure of that.

Now, another neighbour has become aware of her plight, and has started to act on her behalf, consulting the scant information there is for tenants in situation like this, going as far as to confronting the guy when he is bad mouthing the woman to others and bad mouthing the woman herself. He now has also become a victim to petty instances, things happening, that have never happened before and freedoms curtailed by his constant objections. The nbh I have had a run in with, honestly, he is the first person who on sight makes my skin crawl. I feel there is something more to him he is not showing, but his actions towards my friends are my immediate concern. As a result I have stopped visiting my friends as much, rarely by day because of the nbh,mostly at night, when it is hoped the nbh is asleep, for  I feel he will provoke my temper, which will not be good for me. So, we are all suffering because of this person, a person who it has been seen to rant at others and play petty games of vandalism  on things that are the joy to others. The block of appartments was always in the past a happy relaxed and friendly place, where the majority of senior citizens that live there, were always out and a joy to talk to, everyone on first name terms. Now, no one is out and there is a clear tension there, as a result, there are senior citizens that are now ill, the place has lost it's vibe. The living alone, wealthy and jobless nbh continues to prowl and it seems he favours a military type existence, everything has a place and everything in it's place at all times, anything that does not obey his idea of things becomes a target for him to destroy.

Now, given my past of similar actions being done to my family, I am fully aware of the damage it is doing to my friends, I remember my car being damaged, petty things rising to cut brake lines and slashed tyres, I remember all that, the fear it creates and the paranoia that comes with it, so I can really feel for my friends, it is very destroying. I tackled the problem via watching religiously and keeping written and video diaries to present to whoever will listen and act, and believe me, there are very few of them. One problem neighbour, I met via mediation services and that problem was sorted out only for the nbh to lose all their friends and supporters and move away shortly after. The other was apparently my fault for having a nice car in a rough area, although it was a wrench to see my hard work and money reduced to the likes of the neighbourhood, it is only a thing, a lump of metal, people matter more than that.

So, I ask here after all that, this neighbour from hell I feel I am forced to think on, what sort of person am I dealing with, does the actions indicate mental health problems, or a person who thrives on the evil he creates ? Just to note, all my actions and those I tell my friends, those directly affected, are lawful, no one must sink to the levels of the aggressor, for that will just be feeding his fire. The neighbours affected are keeping diaries of actions, but what to do with it, who to report to, that information is scant, police though you would think it be the obvious help, are no help at all, they are reluctant to act on words, but only offer help when and if a  serious crime is committed.




Aileen1968 -> RE: Neighbours from Hell (6/17/2009 4:57:56 AM)

My advice would involve big, male friends and would be illegal. So I'll refrain. But it would quickly solve the problem. And your nfh would most likely walk with a big limp at a minimum.





Irishknight -> RE: Neighbours from Hell (6/17/2009 5:03:23 AM)

I would advise breaking his legs and tossing him down a flight of stairs but you wanted something less... criminal.  To be honest, this guy will most likely keep pulling this crap until someone pounds him into a puddle of piss.  It is all some people understand or respect.
You could try taking your suspicions and complaints to your landlord.  Enough tenant complaints will get almost anyone evicted.  It's bad to lose one tenant over something like this but several leaving can be costly.  Make them think they are losing money and most landlords will act.




Aneirin -> RE: Neighbours from Hell (6/17/2009 5:07:06 AM)

Yes, that is one way, but not the right way, or the way we should choose. To add this nbh, we never see with friends, he is never out walking and travels everywhere by car. The centre of the village community is the pub, where all neighbours turn up from time to time for a beer or a cup of tea and a chat, but never him, he is never seen in the usual haunts of the village. Now it strikes me as perhaps a lonely person, but is his loneliness a result of his actions. If that is the case, then he is perhaps too far gone to bring around and pacify.




kittinSol -> RE: Neighbours from Hell (6/17/2009 5:14:06 AM)

Has anyone considered trying to record the acts of vandalism on video?




Aneirin -> RE: Neighbours from Hell (6/17/2009 5:24:04 AM)

So far being done by mobile phone and downloaded to a computer, but without imagery of the actual happenings as they occur, that is the perpetrator caught in the act, the images are largely useless. One of the neighbours at the moment, is researching secret cctv to cover the car park, an expense he is not flush enough to fund, but he now fears for his car as now he has become a target of the nfh hate.




kittinSol -> RE: Neighbours from Hell (6/17/2009 5:44:19 AM)

I reckon the nbh is relying on neighbourly shyness and the natural desire for peace to commit his exactions - perhaps a friendly neighbourhood committee should pay him a visit to explain to him that they're not his enemies, but will he please shut the fuck up and be civil, because his ridiculous behaviour won't be tolerated any longer.

Sometimes, a crowd is all it takes to intimidate a bully :-) .




berrysurprise -> RE: Neighbours from Hell (6/17/2009 5:44:21 AM)

i understand it would not be an easy task to do but from what i have read and how i interpret your story, i think he sounds like someone who has no idea how to establish a healthy relationship(with anyone..)  why he is like this i do not know... whether he was treated badly or maybe he has just been able to be this way his whole life and no-one has guided him differently.

thinking outside of the square... is there any possible way that you (or someone in the building... could specifically befriend him?)

It sounds to me like he has moved into the building... seen the happy relationships that bounce about the place. Yet he has no idea how to connect himself to the group. Unfortunately he deals with his feelings completely negatively...

Some of the most important things is good friendships is the ones open mind, constructive criticism, and unconditional love. Is there anyone in the place that is able to take this friendship on? and maybe with the support of the rest of those involved they could smooth things over enough for everyone to have the opportunity to befriend this man...

Even if it means that you have to step outside your squares for a while... You may find that he is someone that is desperately trying to seek acceptance....acceptance from those around him and acceptance from himself.

And if i am totally wrong... well it could bring it all to a head anyway and hopefully one way or another you could all move on from this nasty situation

good luck....

(i don't recommend that the lady mentioned in your initial thread be the befriender... that could give the wrong impression... i am sure that is stating the obvious tho...)







little1one1 -> RE: Neighbours from Hell (6/17/2009 5:46:30 AM)

Have they considered a neighborhood watch? If they all get together, and take turns, they could monitor the parking lot in shifts, until they finally catch the bugger red handed. I would advise, perhaps in pairs even , if this person has ever shown violence towards anyone. Since this man seems to terrorize more than one now, myself, i would consult a lawyer. ESPECIALLY if they can get proof, ( as in catch him in the act). Nothing like a lawsuit to get the landlords attention, especially if they have gone to the landlord and the landlord does nothing about it.  Harassment, stalking, defamation of character, are just a few things that come to mind... i had a stalker once, the police showed up at his door, and he knew why immediately...never came near me again, and eventually left town.... good luck
ps fire with fire sometimes works as well, a  little sugar in the gas tank never hurt anyone.....except the engine that is....hehehe




OrionTheWolf -> RE: Neighbours from Hell (6/17/2009 6:16:30 AM)

Keep trying your "civilized" approach, and when you run out of option let me know. I have dealt with NFH before, and first I speak directly to them about the situation, then I see what can be done via the authorities, and finally if need be, I use the last step in conflict resolution.

Sometimes a talk from a local cop will do the trick. I would ask your local authorities what they recommend.




pahunkboy -> RE: Neighbours from Hell (6/17/2009 6:36:10 AM)

...the building SHOULD have by laws- a code of conduct- ...  find the written blurb that he steps on and file a complaint.   Most likely there is a contract- and with many if - and and buts.       Play it right and the dude will RUN- fearing bankruptcy, loss of wealth.

As a male-   I think perhaps he should catch you staring at him.   As in sizing him up.   A note pad- can work wonders as can a cell phone with the cam built in.

Have EVERYONE involved jot down days and times- of these happenings.    Trust me. Some bureaucrat regulates the smuck.

He right of the bat made an error- because MOST block consider who lived there the longest.   Seniority.    

Be meticulous in dates- times, details. then the beloved government will be more then happy to pick the mans pockets.

....Each year- I go thru the barking dog thing.  I jot down the time-on my calendar- then when I have enough- I call the officials-- and let it be known that this WILL stop OR I will assist- the person WILL be fined.      
...Works every year.  




pahunkboy -> RE: Neighbours from Hell (6/17/2009 6:41:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Irishknight

I would advise breaking his legs and tossing him down a flight of stairs but you wanted something less... criminal.  To be honest, this guy will most likely keep pulling this crap until someone pounds him into a puddle of piss.  It is all some people understand or respect.
You could try taking your suspicions and complaints to your landlord.  Enough tenant complaints will get almost anyone evicted.  It's bad to lose one tenant over something like this but several leaving can be costly.  Make them think they are losing money and most landlords will act.



If it helps- I will pose as his angry boyfriend who left me for a gay ice skater!   I will throw a tantrum and make a scene and the entire village will know how, the man who "married" me,  broke my heart- and with an Olympic ice skater, younger bitch boy dishwater blond bimbo boy!  

hmmm I will wear pimk- and maybe a bow in my hair for this event/fight/spectacle

Where is 'she! I will tear out 'her hair by the dyed roots!!!!




DesFIP -> RE: Neighbours from Hell (6/17/2009 6:44:32 AM)

Band together to hire a private detective. The odds are he's done this before and that's why he had to move. Get proof of that, which should be easy enough for a detective to come by, and then go to the police with it.. In the meantime, every time there is vandalism CALL THE POLICE. Every single time. They will get tired of the constant calls and will start to drive by your apartment complex more frequently, and when all of you say you suspect this twit, they will do some investigating of their own.

If ten of you throw $50 dollars in each, that should pay for several hours research. Have you googled him? Because if he has a history of this, other people may have complained about him. Get the landlord to tell you where he came from, complain to the landlord every single time there is vandalism etc.




GYPZYQUEEN -> RE: Neighbours from Hell (6/17/2009 6:49:48 AM)

OP:
2 things////
1) safety of woman and others
2) catching the culprit

Making your presence known TOGETHER..unification..
 
.or getting the big guy thing in there but just having them around..in the garden..helping build something??
If he waits and watchs so closely to do damage then he is WATCHING..
so then maybe a presence of many will help???rather than hiding  get out there more...

Right off I feel paranoia here from the neighbour and and the idea that he is against those "against him"..like a  little war.so it may not dissapate
He may be bored or fucked in the head...

as for befriending?? fuck that///befriending someone who damgages and breaks the law by being sneaky  NOPE

 The post it note thing or book with dates is good...I have used this in court..watch him..watch events..it all comes together in a STORY if needed..

I like the camera idea..I set FAKE ones up once with blinking lights in my store and car and it worked

and ... a dog for that woman...or dog signs and a tape of dogs to play in her house...

think.
.what rewards is he getting for doing this??
and take that away..somehow..
is it fear? thinking he controls the activities of others? wanting to impact a life?putting a woman in her "place"?cruelty around special
acitvities..? assault of minds?

GQ




pahunkboy -> RE: Neighbours from Hell (6/17/2009 6:52:18 AM)

Should I wear pumps or pink fuzzy slippers?


I am so ready to confront my ex!!!!!!      


;-0~




pahunkboy -> RE: Neighbours from Hell (6/17/2009 6:53:47 AM)

Folks- the OP said the creature "bought" an apartment.  This is sorta like a condo.   Not a rental. 




LadyEllen -> RE: Neighbours from Hell (6/17/2009 7:28:03 AM)

If settling things down by other more reasonable means fails........

Research the (by now) several instances where a woman was being hassled by some nutjob, the police did nothing and she ended up dead. Record the several instances of problem behaviour that can be definitely attributed to him in respect of this woman, plus the several instances of other "coincidental" problems that cannot be so definitely attributed.

Photocopy said information and pass to beat officer as well as inspector at local nick, along with a complaint about criminal behaviour for which he is seen to be the culprit. The website of the CPS is useful here in deriving the correct description for each alleged criminal act. This should be enough to provoke contact and interest, and even a quiet word (or more). The police are in the business of catching criminals - but they cant do much without evidence and witnesses willing to testify; give them this and they then have no excuse to consider it anything other than their business. Similar applies with the CPS, if it should get that far.

Also check out whether you have a PACT (police and communities together) in your area - this is the latest fashionable gimmick in police/public relations. And also use any other elements you can to attract interest and attention - not very ethical of course, but if there is anyone in the building experiencing problems from this guy who is of an ethnic minority, alternative sexuality etc, this might provide leverage to get something done.

If nothing happens, write the chief constable with the same information, hinting at possible press involvement if nothing is done - the local media especially are generally desperate to fill newspapers and broadcasts, but care must be taken here not to libel anyone.

And remember, if all else fails "accidents happen"

E







Termyn8or -> RE: Neighbours from Hell (6/17/2009 7:38:50 AM)

FR

Dammit Aneirin, staying legal is so hard sometimes.

Whether or not this behavior meets the legal definition of harrassment is important. If it does, it is a simple matter, if it stays just behind the line that makes for a bigger problem. Now some other neighbors are involved, there is always strength in numbers. I assume this is an apartment or development with one landlord. What would happen if said landlord got about eight notices with the next rent check stating that people want out of their lease, with a clear explaination of why ? Eight rents vs one, the math is quite simple.

Another thing that won't land you in the pokey is to fill a paper bag with dogshit, light it on fire on his stoop or porch and ring the doorbell. Be reasonable and try not to start a fire, as that could get you in some hot water. (there's a pun in there somewhere but I can't put my finger on it).

Someone had a good trick here, for parking in the wrong spot as a guest. As the "victim" I found there wasn't jack shit I could do about it. I parked there, it was only a short time, but when I came out there were two bumper stickers on my windshield that read "Don't park here". This made the vehicle undrivable until I scraped the stickers off. There is also a chemical agent you can spray on the glass that will make it very difficult to remove. Avoid painted surfaces, that would be vandalism.

On the subject of vandalism, for example the laws here have it that slashing someone's tires is, but simply loosening the valve core in the stem is not. Leave any parts you take out, then it is not theft. If you loosen the stem and leave the cap on loose he will have a slow leak which will not be apparent until whoever does it is long gone, even though it would be hard to make a criminal charge. Even if you get caught it would probably be called harrassment and then you simply bring your enterage with you to court. Have about eight others confess to the crime. "That explains why it was already hissing when I got to it".

I would tend to agree with the other poster who suggests that such a person only understands direct action. He moves in and is old enough to know that love at first sight is rare, if it even happens at all. He is visually oriented obviously because he does not know this Woman from Eve. These people are generally of a lower intellect. They must be dealt with accordingly. Really complex bad shit that takes alot of thought to figure out motivation is not the most effective. It is better to stay within legal parameters and actually get caught, and explain why, and have the support of others at the time.

Of course all of this works alot better if you all have the same landlord. A bit of solidarity goes a long way. It is always best not to involve the law, in case one day you must actually step over the line. If it comes to that, there are many many irritants that could be applied, which at least would stay misdemeanors. This is important twofold. First of all you don't want one of those shirts with a number on it, and second but not least, any real harm is not warranted.

In other words, as one who has plotted and exacted revenge, I am qualified to say this. This guy is an irritant. That is all. How he affects others is partly their problem. One Woman catches a Man's eye and will blush, another will flaunt. However DO NOT encourage her to become a tease in any way. There are still some real crazies out there and not knowing what you're dealing with right now, just don't go there. In other words, if you knew the guy was really harmless, she could flaunt a bit and he could spend all day wanking and not bother anyone, case closed. (LOL) Just don't count on that.

Actually people who are prone to obsessive behavior are not likely to change quickly or voluntarily. Keep that in mind.

If you can get more detail, do so. Someone should try to get into this guy's head just a bit. A record check might be a good idea as well. We all thought my buddy's olady was the problem with the neighbors once, until she got a restraining order against someone and found that they had restraining orders against them at a couple of other places they lived. They actually made it so she couldn't go home more than once, and they usually do not do that without some valid cause. So whatever you can get about him would be helpful at worst.

T




LadyEllen -> RE: Neighbours from Hell (6/17/2009 7:49:02 AM)

Yep T - I've seen that in the US it seems comparatively easy to check out anyone's criminal record and/or police entanglements?

Over here, one cant do it. Its difficult enough to even get hold of something to say you dont have a record yourself (as many continental countries require of foreign company directors setting up shop), and if youre going to work with "vulnerable people" and need the same, it takes months with our illustrious Criminal Records Bureau.

Meanwhile, if youre arrested for something, any police officer can get full details of your record within 20 seconds.

I believe the only time you can have details of someone else's record and/or entanglements here is if youre a woman with kids and your new boyfriend is a concern (say no more) in that environment - but that relies on police/probation keeping track of offenders and the offender playing ball by reporting his whereabouts (which provides a rather obvious issue).
E




pahunkboy -> RE: Neighbours from Hell (6/17/2009 8:24:40 AM)

Thats is odd.   One can find out about others in the US.    And as for Libel?

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!        All the world is a stage- so libel - is - no concern- in the US.    

Terms post is an interesting assessment-  but it sounds like something potent needs to happen=- as what is next?  

cut brake line?

Some bystander getting hurt?

....often the Police need just one piece of info to nail a crime.

Do you have a megans list?   Google it.    It will name and addy every sex predator in the town.




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