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Good Luck, Becky. - 6/18/2009 5:09:11 PM   
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So, I have an Alt.com account, and occasionally chat with the denizens of that scene using the Java IMC.  A few days ago, I started chatting with someone from Britain.  "A novice Domme," she was to be, with a TV girl called Becky, whom she wanted me to train. 

Not normally my scene, but I thought I might as well jump in and see what's going on with this unusual pair.  I grew suspicious almost immediately, and as soon as I asked for photos of the Domme to verify her existence, the subterfuge crumbled.

No emotional investment in the scenario let me come down fairly easily, and address the issue--no harm, no foul.  Apparently she'd created the profile to look around the site, saw something that she liked, and wanted to keep looking around, and chatting with people.  19 years of age, young Becky was just looking for someone to call her on her bluff, take a hold of her, and give her a shake.  (Playing a dominant role in my vanilla life leaves me well-equipped to dealing with certain types of situations.) 

An honest guilt on her part gave me some credibility to work with her and give her some advice.  She deleted the false profile at my request, and is currently contemplating the meaning of "start as you mean to go on," as well as "be honest with yourself and others--whatever that means to you." 

The only advice I gave that I think might be subject to some criticism is the following:
As concern work and school, be a professional and a scholar first.  You may earn the respect of your coworkers and fellow students, and develop friendships with them, but share your proclivities once you've developed a good level of trust--not before. 

I hate to say it, but I think that some people should generally keep their kinks to themselves in public, at least until they're comfortable and confident.  And then, the person should be in a position to be able to weather the consequences. For example, not everyone appreciates men kissing in public.  If you're someplace that's encouraged, that's great!  If you enjoy it, that's great!  But don't do it if you're not sure yet, someplace that people "might not take kindly to 'thayut kahnd uv behayvyer.'"

And another thing.  Was I pretty close to right in advising that she not advertise?  She mentioned that she had made aside comments about being a T-girl, but that people pretended not to hear, or didn't comment.  I understand that this is a recommended way to sound out a person, to see how receptive they are to your proclivities, but she was doing it just to hear the truth be said.  I considered that a dishonest behavior. 

Oh, I wish I could send a letter to the 19-year-old me--I was so misguided! (and I still am.. isn't it great?!  :D)

Anyone with thoughts, comments, or questions, I'd love to hear them.  I have a feeling I'm going to be doing some mentorship, here, so I'll need some input of my own to sift through.

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RE: Good Luck, Becky. - 6/18/2009 5:17:50 PM   
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uh shouldn't this be posted on alt.com where your beloved Becky could benefit from it?
 
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RE: Good Luck, Becky. - 6/18/2009 6:24:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

uh shouldn't this be posted on alt.com where your beloved Becky could benefit from it?


Alright, first of all...
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ORIGINAL: Newlychaste

She deleted the false profile at my request


Second, what's your problem?

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RE: Good Luck, Becky. - 6/18/2009 6:45:36 PM   
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Depends on whether Becky will be going "all the way" to becoming a F/T female, if she is, then it might be a very good idea for her to see a counsler that specializes in sexual reassignment.

As far as work goes, seems good. You are there to do a job first, socialize second, not a bad philosophy to me


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RE: Good Luck, Becky. - 6/18/2009 6:55:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Asherdelampyr

Depends on whether Becky will be going "all the way" to becoming a F/T female, if she is, then it might be a very good idea for her to see a counsler that specializes in sexual reassignment.

As far as work goes, seems good. You are there to do a job first, socialize second, not a bad philosophy to me



Thanks for the feedback.  :)  She's about 1% of the way to gender reassignment.  I suppose I could have explained it better--this person is JUST getting interested in kink--I was just calling her "her" because I didn't catch her male name.  :9  So sue me.  I'm still proud of myself.  Lol.

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RE: Good Luck, Becky. - 6/18/2009 8:55:58 PM   
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I wouldnt say it was bad advice

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RE: Good Luck, Becky. - 6/19/2009 3:14:28 AM   
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Ok, what I got from the post was that you befriended this novice dominant person that asked you to have a talk with "Becky", whom you discovered isn't quite a "Becky" yet? And this "Becky" opened a profile as a female pretty much just to see what's out there? Am I close? And you offered up a reality check...

If that's right then I think you did the dominant person one hellova a favor!! Being a novice that may have set them aback just a little. But then again, the way you put it, that dominant person knew "Becky" to be a "TV Girl"? Ok, so that part is a little confusing.

But your advice? I think it's great. It's important to be honest with yourself, to know yourself and be able to see clearly what it is that you want out of a relationship before setting off looking for one. And the work thing? Honestly, that should be common sense but I know that it's not so common anymore. So I think it was great advice. Unless you live for the kind of drama that results from you talking about your sex life at work you shouldn't talk about it. And keep in mind, those "drama queens" don't seem to move up a company ladder well at all.

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RE: Good Luck, Becky. - 6/19/2009 3:22:47 AM   
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quote:

So sue me. I'm still proud of myself. Lol.
i had no idea what this thread was about till i read this.

Looking for a pat on the back, are ya now?


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RE: Good Luck, Becky. - 6/19/2009 3:36:43 AM   
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So do i understand it correctly that there only is one person: 19 year old Becky, who is a male submissive and also transvestite with a desire for a sexchange?

I think you did good figuring that out and cooping with the imo quite cute deception...

I feel iffy about sexchanges....cutting bits off is soo permanent...i prefer to embrace it all, or even just hide bits rather than medical removal and altering pleasure organs.
Can people who had a sex change still orgasm?

All the best

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RE: Good Luck, Becky. - 6/19/2009 5:50:05 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly

quote:

So sue me. I'm still proud of myself. Lol.
i had no idea what this thread was about till i read this.

Looking for a pat on the back, are ya now?




After reading the op, I too was wondering if they were seeking validation.

I guess your advice was good, but on something small like this why do you need validation?

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RE: Good Luck, Becky. - 6/19/2009 6:23:29 AM   
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if this is a question about transition then so be it and my thoughts are this.
i would never pass a judgment on how long, through what medium, (ie alt.com, real life, hormones, surgery, the harsh decks of the sinkng NHS or any other means) for a person to trans gender.
Al i feel can be summoned up in this phrase: an opportunity to practice being a woman is sacred time.
And i would pass no judgment.


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RE: Good Luck, Becky. - 6/19/2009 8:19:25 AM   
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quote:

So sue me. I'm still proud of myself. Lol.


(pats you on head)   You were a good boy. 

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RE: Good Luck, Becky. - 6/19/2009 8:40:15 AM   
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I am really confused, maybe it is just end of week brain overload. Was there two people and one had a false profile, or one person?


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RE: Good Luck, Becky. - 6/19/2009 8:50:55 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: newlychaste

quote:

ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

uh shouldn't this be posted on alt.com where your beloved Becky could benefit from it?


Alright, first of all...
quote:

ORIGINAL: Newlychaste

She deleted the false profile at my request


Second, what's your problem?




Putting some one elses business all over the place, this site or otherwise,  I find it disrespectful and self serving.

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RE: Good Luck, Becky. - 6/19/2009 9:49:03 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: newlychaste

Second, what's your problem?

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ORIGINAL: newlychaste

So sue me.  I'm still proud of myself.  Lol.

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Such comments are not what I would expect from someone who in their profile identifies as a slave. I may expect it from a bratty sub on rare occasions. I, personally for one would not bother to give any assistance to such a rude and ignorant attention seeking person.


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RE: Good Luck, Becky. - 6/19/2009 10:45:08 AM   
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<sigh> this is why I adore you!

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RE: Good Luck, Becky. - 6/19/2009 2:50:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ShiftedJewel

Ok, what I got from the post was that you befriended this novice dominant person that asked you to have a talk with "Becky", whom you discovered isn't quite a "Becky" yet? And this "Becky" opened a profile as a female pretty much just to see what's out there? Am I close? And you offered up a reality check...

If that's right then I think you did the dominant person one hellova a favor!! Being a novice that may have set them aback just a little. But then again, the way you put it, that dominant person knew "Becky" to be a "TV Girl"? Ok, so that part is a little confusing.

But your advice? I think it's great. It's important to be honest with yourself, to know yourself and be able to see clearly what it is that you want out of a relationship before setting off looking for one. And the work thing? Honestly, that should be common sense but I know that it's not so common anymore. So I think it was great advice. Unless you live for the kind of drama that results from you talking about your sex life at work you shouldn't talk about it. And keep in mind, those "drama queens" don't seem to move up a company ladder well at all.

Jewel

Jewel,  yes, exactly.  "Fifi," the supposed Domme, wasn't a real person, and the profile was false.  Becky, the real boy wanna be transvestite, was subconsciously seeking someone to give him a reality check--you hit the nail on the head, and I do apologize again for the ambiguities.

I think reconciling your identity as a kinky person in a vanilla society is, to a certain extent, difficult for everyone, and wasn't surprised that Becky had done what he had done.  I wasn't even terribly upset, to be honest.  At 19, the desire to dress as a woman must be scary.  I wanted to address the motivation for that desire--wanting to experience the stigma associated with being a woman--but I thought the best tact to take would be to first address the dishonesty.


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ORIGINAL: ranja

So do i understand it correctly that there only is one person: 19 year old Becky, who is a male submissive and also transvestite with a desire for a sexchange?

I think you did good figuring that out and cooping with the imo quite cute deception...

I feel iffy about sexchanges....cutting bits off is soo permanent...i prefer to embrace it all, or even just hide bits rather than medical removal and altering pleasure organs.
Can people who had a sex change still orgasm?

All the best

Ranja, the sex change is a long way away, for this one--there are a few steps that need to be taken, first--in fact, if I had suggested it, he probably would have been scared straight, which isn't what I was going for at all!  


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ORIGINAL: oceanwinds

quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly

quote:

So sue me. I'm still proud of myself. Lol.
i had no idea what this thread was about till i read this.

Looking for a pat on the back, are ya now?




After reading the op, I too was wondering if they were seeking validation.

I guess your advice was good, but on something small like this why do you need validation?

Sirsholly, simply, no, I wasn't looking for a pat on the back.  I think if you reread my original post, you'll find that I was seeking input with regard to my exchange with this person.

Oceanwinds, two things:
First and foremost, just because someone else said what you were thinking doesn't make it true.  Feel free to check your premises.

Second, what if I am seeking a little bit of validation?  The conversation I had with this young novice made me realize that I've accrued some experience, and am in a position to impart some of that value to those who are seeking, as I seek.  Isn't it a good thing to encourage and guide those who've screwed up a bit, and need to be straightened out?


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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

if this is a question about transition then so be it and my thoughts are this.
i would never pass a judgment on how long, through what medium, (ie alt.com, real life, hormones, surgery, the harsh decks of the sinkng NHS or any other means) for a person to trans gender.
Al i feel can be summoned up in this phrase: an opportunity to practice being a woman is sacred time.
And i would pass no judgment.

Prinsexx, I may have misread your post, but it seems to me that you're inferring that creating a false profile on a personals site is acceptable.  If that's the case, I disagree--I believe it's dishonest, as well as a form of lying.  Dishonesty and lying are bad things, in Becky's case, in my opinion, because he's still forming his identity.  It's important for him to say, "I am a male, I enjoy dressing up as a woman," to himself and to others, so that he can find support, play partners, like-minded people.  Advertising himself as a woman isn't constructive, honest, or realistic.

I do, however, agree that practicing being a woman via honest means is important for him, so that he can grow as the person he is.  I wasn't being judgmental--in fact, I was encouraging about it.  We all have a certain amount of difficulty reconciling the "vanilla" and kinky parts of our lives.  Roleplaying is wonderful.  Lying is objectionable.


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(pats you on head)   You were a good boy.

Peppermint--thanks!  ^_^


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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I am really confused, maybe it is just end of week brain overload. Was there two people and one had a false profile, or one person?

LaTigresse--all apologies for the ambiguity.  One person, one false profile.  The "Domme" was an alter-ego.


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ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

Putting some one elses business all over the place, this site or otherwise,  I find it disrespectful and self serving.

Cat, that's quaint--I find your condescencion disrespectful and self-serving!  

So let me get your "point of view" straight:  it's not alright to look for guidance, with regard to training and mentoring someone?   Oh, I'm sorry!  Let's imagine Becky is my sub.  Is it "disrespectful and self-serving" now?   Check your premises, and while you're at it, check your tone.


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ORIGINAL: IronBear

Such comments are not what I would expect from someone who in their profile identifies as a slave. I may expect it from a bratty sub on rare occasions. I, personally for one would not bother to give any assistance to such a rude and ignorant attention seeking person.

IronBear--it's a good thing for me, then, that I'm in no way, shape, or form required to abide by your expectations!  It would have been more accurate to say "Such comments are not what I would expect from someone who IS MY SLAVE":  expecting someone who identifies as  a submissive or slave to behave as one toward any and all comers is, at best, silly--and at worst, quite telling.

In my vanilla life, I'm expected to be dominant.  You're not part of my BDSM life.  Should I kneel at your feet?  Should I call you "Sir"?  If you show me that you deserve respect, and it will be returned in kind, but frankly and simply, you don't merit any of the aforementioned.  I think you'll find (if you read the entirety of the thread) that I didn't throw the first stone.  Frankly, my identity is not relevant to this thread--it was entered into the discussion by someone else--but while we're on the topic, I'm tired of being criticized for not acting the part.  

Finally, if I were seeking attention for myself, you would have just fulfilled that wish.  

Check your premises.

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RE: Good Luck, Becky. - 6/19/2009 3:58:52 PM   
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quote:

Second, what if I am seeking a little bit of validation? The conversation I had with this young novice made me realize that I've accrued some experience, and am in a position to impart some of that value to those who are seeking, as I seek. Isn't it a good thing to encourage and guide those who've screwed up a bit, and need to be straightened out?
Please spare me the wisdom you desire to impart.

And who appointed you the judge and jury to decide who screwed up and who needs to be straightened out?

Listen pal...we interact with each other. We help each other...many of us are friends in real time. We see each other through the bad times and share the joys in our lives.

What we do not do is start a thread bragging about it.


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RE: Good Luck, Becky. - 6/19/2009 4:55:46 PM   
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Newlychaste, you're going to have a hard time making friends -- much less finding a relationship -- as long as you come off like an attention-seeking braggart.  If half the people on the thread are saying WTF, maybe they're not all lame-ohs who are misunderstanding the genius that is you.

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RE: Good Luck, Becky. - 6/19/2009 5:02:45 PM   
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Wow. 

Congrats.

Have a cookie.


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