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RE: Meeting someone offline - 6/20/2009 10:48:50 PM   
MadameMarque


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At the risk of repeating what's already been said:

Safety-wise,

Yes, meet in a public place

Don't be alone with a new person, on the first meeting.  That includes getting into a car together.

Set up two safe calls, with someone you trust.

About safe calls: Tell someone you trust where you are going and everything you know about the person you're meeting, including contact info, photo of them, their online identities.  Your understanding is that you'll call them no later than ___(choose the times).  The first call is within an hour after you're first supposed to meet your date.  On the first call, you can confirm things like, they look like their picture, make of car (even though you won't be getting in that car!), etc.  The second call is when you've landed back home or at your friend's place, in this case.  Talk seriously with the safe call person about what they're to do, if you don't call within a certain time after your agreed time.  Set up something you're to say, if the worst were to happen, and you need to let them know there's trouble, while talking in front of someone posing a threat.

Then, make your date aware that you need to call your friend.  You don't have to say it's a safe call, just that you promised to call them, because they know you're out on a first date.  This is so that anyone with bad plans for the evening knows that someone somewhere else is keeping track of both of you.

Other considerations, for you to take or leave:

Do you mind if the other person's cheating on someone?  Do you mind if it's a one-night booty call?  There are various reasons he might suggest a hotel, and for all I know, you might have made it clear yourself, that this is a play date, not a prelude to a possible relationship.  But hotel room on a first date definitely smells of cheating and of 'you are no one special,' to the other person.

Driving all the way to him: I wouldn't.

Planning a short first date:  Even with the inconvenience of one or hopefully, both of you, driving a ways to each other, planning a short first date is wise.  If you don't like each other, or if you do and you don't want the first date to degenerate into being too hungry to wait for sex or a scene, just because you spent too much idle time together... either way, a short first date is good.

Third date: Even waiting till a second date before being alone together and potential sex or scening (or assault), weeds out most people who are obvious bad news.  I once told a male friend of mine, who's seen quite a bit of action, that I was confused by what (most) guys consider to be casual sex, how soon, under what circumstance, one should act upon the Act, and the words weren't even out of my mouth, before he said, "Third date."

These safety measures sound burdensome, but they take longer to describe than to do.  If I seem too cautious, well, I hope you'll take a little of my over-caution with you.

All that said, have fun!  ha, On the second and third dates, maybe more so!

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RE: Meeting someone offline - 6/20/2009 10:49:12 PM   
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don't be an idiot.   

Frankly, i'd rather be called an 'idiot' by you than to be told how stupid i am for putting myself in that situation again by the police.
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RE: Meeting someone offline - 6/20/2009 11:24:42 PM   
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They're not going to have coffee, well not just coffee, they're planning on getting a hotel to spend the night together if they like each other. This sets off huge red flags in some  people's eyes and makes their danger sensor go off. I agree some of the precautions are absurd though.
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. When did the world become so perilous that one needs to undertake extensive "safety precautions" to have coffee with another human?

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RE: Meeting someone offline - 6/20/2009 11:30:37 PM   
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This is a first time meet, it's not un reasonable not to want to bring a STRANGER into your home.  I've done it many times, myself  but I respect other people's rights not to want a stranger in their home.


Being kinky with someone you don't know is VASTLY different than inviting someone you don't know into your private sanctuary. If your night goes wrong, just leave each others company at the hotel, if the night goes wrong in your personal she don't want to leave or turns out to be a pycho, good luck getting rid of her.

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Besides, if he doesn't trust you in his home, do you really want to trust him in your pussy?

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RE: Meeting someone offline - 6/21/2009 10:27:55 AM   
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I admit I may have my priorities mixed up though being willing to play with people  I don't know or playing with people I wouldn't invite into my home yet.

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RE: Meeting someone offline - 6/21/2009 10:42:35 AM   
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They're not going to have coffee, well not just coffee, they're planning on getting a hotel to spend the night together if they like each other.


*nods* And my default assmption is that we're talking about two mature adults who have balanced out risks and rewards to their own satisfaction and made reasonably wise decisions.

If that is not true, then no amount of friends, phone calls, or other safety measures can protect someone from the consequences of their own poor judgement.

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RE: Meeting someone offline - 6/21/2009 10:47:35 AM   
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i fail to understand why people get so passionate about this particular topic.....i have had a horrific experience meeting someone from here at his home..  However, i have also had a wonderful experience that changed the rest of my life.  {Although according to many of you i'm the safety police because i did request that he do certain things for me and i did have a safe call in place} i just don't understand people's reactions.
OP, do whatever you think is best.  Try and make sure you are as safe as possible.
Enjoy and have fun,
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RE: Meeting someone offline - 6/21/2009 11:31:02 AM   
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Yup. I agree.
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They're not going to have coffee, well not just coffee, they're planning on getting a hotel to spend the night together if they like each other.


*nods* And my default assmption is that we're talking about two mature adults who have balanced out risks and rewards to their own satisfaction and made reasonably wise decisions.

If that is not true, then no amount of friends, phone calls, or other safety measures can protect someone from the consequences of their own poor judgement.

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RE: Meeting someone offline - 6/21/2009 2:05:40 PM   
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So I just got off the phone with the guy for the second time and this time 'we' got to actually talk because it was during the day instead of the middle of the night.

I'm feeling like he likes to talk more than I do, and that he's not giving me room to talk unless I hurry up and get a word in before he says something. The meeting is still on, but I'm starting to think it's not going to work out.

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RE: Meeting someone offline - 6/21/2009 2:18:48 PM   
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Sorry to hear that kittensslut,

I think you might want to discuss this feeling with him before you make the commitment to go out.

If you are feeling issues before you even go you may be setting up for disappointment before you even make it out.

I am not saying that you should just put up and go with a little issue like this however if you find there is a Base Line of disappointment that is on the grounds of communication you should talk about it if you can't communicate effectivly now how will you ever?

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RE: Meeting someone offline - 6/21/2009 2:20:15 PM   
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BTW I want to clarify. HE is the one that suggested a hotel room. He's also said he has a list of things he'd like to do in the hotel room and I told him 'If I feel comfortable with it, then I will.' I don't look down on him at all for suggesting a hotel room and wanting to play. I may feel the same way when I meet him, who knows. But my post above has me thinking it might not be such a great date after all. I've personally never talked to someone who talked constantly, but honestly I have no problem telling someone they're talking too much and I'd like to get some talk time, myself. Maybe he's just really excited. I don't know. The way he reacts to my attitude about all of it will be the deciding factor on what I do. I'm not interested in being with a bully or someone who's annoying. I was just looking for some more ideas on how to stay safe.

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RE: Meeting someone offline - 6/21/2009 2:21:28 PM   
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Steel,

I plan on talking to him about it later, but we hung up a bit fast this time. Maybe he's just excited, I don't know. However, it wouldn't be a completely wasted trip, since I'd be able to visit my friend who lives in the area.

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RE: Meeting someone offline - 6/21/2009 7:45:54 PM   
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Well unfortunately I've decided that I'd rather not meet him after getting an email that concerned me. I realize I have 'slut' in my profile, but there's a difference between slut and whore, and I'm very selective with my slut-ness. Thanks for all the replies though, and I'll keep the suggestions in mind for next time.

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RE: Meeting someone offline - 6/21/2009 8:20:59 PM   
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kitten... as I said earlier in the thread.. trust your gut.. and it sounds like you are :)   Good on you :) 

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RE: Meeting someone offline - 6/21/2009 8:30:07 PM   
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Kittensslut,
i'm sorry that things didn't work out for you the way you had planned...... i'm glad you discovered it now, though.

Kali


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RE: Meeting someone offline - 6/21/2009 10:15:06 PM   
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See?--For me, if a guy is willing to penetrate my fancy parts but not willing to let me in his house, he is no man for me.

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RE: Meeting someone offline - 6/21/2009 10:41:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: heartcream

See?--For me, if a guy is willing to penetrate my fancy parts but not willing to let me in his house, he is no man for me.


And I can respect that, Being the kind of guy who has had sex with women I would not want in my house..... at that point in getting to know them.

Then again I have had women break into my house and kidnap my cat if I didn't agree to see them again.

It all comes down to the whole what stage in our relationship is it currently?

Are you someone that I am willing to start a long term relationship with? If Yes Come to the House if No book a room.

Are you someone I feel I can trust with being in my home and not cry rape if things don't work out between us. If Yes the come on in, if No then I hope to god we never actually meet at all.

Are you Overly Excited Hyperactive, Possibly on Medication? If Yes Then We are going to Motel 6 untill I determine the exact level of Crazy that you are. However that being said Crazy Bitch Sex is amazing sex you never know what crazy shit they will do over the course of the night.

Is this a Kink based attraction? If Yes and that is all there is to it then much of the above will apply to if we go to my house or not.

Truth be told I LIKE using Motels because you can TEAR THE FUCK OUTTA THE ROOM and The Maids clean it up (Yes I always Leave a Tip) And Motels often have Tie Down points that even my personal bedroom doesn't have.

Steel

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RE: Meeting someone offline - 6/21/2009 10:55:19 PM   
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My opinion hasn't changed. He's expecting her to get naked, get restrained, get hurt but he isn't willing to assume any risks such as her knowing his real name, phone number, address. She's to assume all the risks. And he'll know all this about her because he can go through her wallet while she's tied and find it out.

Not the way to build any kind of relationship. If she does this, she shouldn't expect he would suddenly change and want to date her, have any kind of friendship. It's definitely NSA time.

If this is what she's looking for, fine. If it isn't, I suggest passing.

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RE: Meeting someone offline - 6/21/2009 11:07:14 PM   
SteelofUtah


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My opinion hasn't changed. He's expecting her to get naked, get restrained, get hurt but he isn't willing to assume any risks such as her knowing his real name, phone number, address. She's to assume all the risks. And he'll know all this about her because he can go through her wallet while she's tied and find it out.


Des,

When was any of the above said?

I may have missed it but as I understand it you are just assuming the above. Where as yes I agree in many situations that would be the case but only because she hadn't asked for such information.

Now in the situations I offered above... Yeah I don't want them knowing where I live. Doesn't mean that as the relationship progresses they won't know where I live. In all reality within a day or so of having the initial tryst I usually knew if they were crazy or not. If they didn't stalk me of call me 300 times to see"How I was doing" then it was usually a fair bet the next tryst would happen at my house ...... Motels are expensive and who wants to pay for one three days a week?

the pretense everything I have said has been that they already want to have sex. The point is at what stage in the relationship are they.

I never tried to push someone into having sex if they wanted to then they wanted to if they didn't it was a kiss on the cheek at the car. If I didn't, then it didn't matter what they wanted It was always a kiss at the car and well I did a LOT of kissing at the car, but I did my share of 2am rooms with 11am checkouts.

The point is if they WANT to play then they are gunna. Nothing that we say is going to make her go. Oh maybe this is a bad idea, if two grown adults are gunna have sex on the first date I HONESTLY believe it should be as sterile as possible. Hotel, Condoms, safe calls, and the whole nine yards of safety but I think it is a choice between those people and it should be made based on the PERSON not on what happened to this cousin of this one guy you know from a BDSM club.

Steel

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RE: Meeting someone offline - 6/22/2009 4:27:16 PM   
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Er, as my sig might indicate, I'm a big proponent for self-defense. I realize everyone faces risks, which is why I think everyone should carry, but anyway... +1 on the public place, etc -- NOT A BAR! Or any other place where someone "helping you to your taxi" is possible.

I know some women are uncomfortable w. them, but the plain fact is that men are stronger, faster, and larger than women, and short of a firearm, there really isn't anything too effective.

A decent chunk of the populace is immune to pepper spray, tasers only work while the batteries last, and only as long as the current is on (it's one of the reasons police use them more than batons -- less risk of injury.), a baton's effective, but takes strength, skill, and gets you WAY too close...




RLMK is right,  I'm martial arts trained but it only takes one slip up to get caught up.  So what I did with Sir was have him come to meet ME and I had two friends who knew where we were, one who brought me there and a list of words that meant something if said or texted to them on the phone.  Some meant everything is fine, others meant I'm about to die send the troops.  Anyone listening would think it's a normal conversation or reading a text just looks like a normal text.  No answer within 4 hours also meant send the troops. I made sir aware of this and he was a little insulted at first (because he says he could never imagine hurting me) but understood my need for safety.

If he doesn't understand your need for safety..don't go.


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