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RE: Physical strength and D/s - 6/24/2009 8:33:41 AM   
agirl


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Where on earth do people live that they NEED to carry a gun to be safe?!?!?!

Pretty much any big city, the woods where wild animals live...What is YOUR method of self defense?  just hoping that nothing bad ever happens/


That's just daft.

The majority of people in European cities do not carry guns for *self defence*.

In the UK, you can't even OWN a gun unless you have been through a stringent and rigorous procedure...and even THEN you can only own one if it is for sport (gunclub) or work related (farmers etc).

The average person here wouldn't even consider themselves likely to bump into someone with a gun, let alone wonder about how they'd defend themselves in such a situation.

It's not unheard of, and we have knife and gun crimes, but it's not the *norm* for people to assume either as *needed*.

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RE: Physical strength and D/s - 6/24/2009 8:35:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes well daft appears to be the american way. The bad guys might have guns so I had better have one. The evil wildlife are just waiting out there to pounce with sharp tooth and claw so I had better have a gun for them also.

Let's forget common sense, just get more guns!!!


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RE: Physical strength and D/s - 6/24/2009 11:14:51 AM   
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That's just daft.

The majority of people in European cities do not carry guns for *self defence*.

In the UK, you can't even OWN a gun unless you have been through a stringent and rigorous procedure...and even THEN you can only own one if it is for sport (gunclub) or work related (farmers etc).

The average person here wouldn't even consider themselves likely to bump into someone with a gun, let alone wonder about how they'd defend themselves in such a situation.

It's not unheard of, and we have knife and gun crimes, but it's not the *norm* for people to assume either as *needed*.

agirl


not to get too far off of the subject, but gun crimes are far from the *norm* in america either.

and I found this cute, as well: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526590,00.html


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RE: Physical strength and D/s - 6/24/2009 11:16:10 AM   
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Yes well daft appears to be the american way. The bad guys might have guns so I had better have one. The evil wildlife are just waiting out there to pounce with sharp tooth and claw so I had better have a gun for them also.

Let's forget common sense, just get more guns!!!



I agree...we should just make committing crimes illegal. that would be the common sense approach.


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RE: Physical strength and D/s - 6/24/2009 11:33:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		And gun crime spiked once you guys let Big Brother take away your guns.  So your method of defending yourself against an armed assailant is...?

We don't necessarily need MORE guns.  We need people to be allowed the right to exercise the right to defend themselves.  Law abiding people need the right to use a gun against a criminal who uses one.

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdgcon.html

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RE: Physical strength and D/s - 6/24/2009 11:42:05 AM   
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In the "Dominant woman" thread over in P&RS, the poster argued that women should be submissive because men are stronger. I've seen some similar stuff over in the Gorean thread.

I'm not looking now, but when I was, I *did* want a man who was strong enough to be able to spot me in my gymnastics practice, playfight/wrestle with, etc., whether he was dominant, submissive, top, or bottom. I'm really strong relative to my size and gender, so I do have to be a bit careful sometimes, but all of the guys I've dated loved that, and didn't feel it made me less feminine. Anyway, there are plenty of men who are far stronger than I am, but who I don't react to on a D/s basis at all. One of my former friends picked me up, sitting in the palm of his hand, straight over my head, and threw me about 10 feet across the swimming pool. Sure, he could "make me" do something, if he were so inclined, but that has nothing to do with consensual D/s.

Anyway, how important is physical strength in your relationships?


I need my slave to be physically capable of doing things that I want.

If something were to happen to him physically we'd renegotiate our expectations or end the dynamic.

Relying upon anything physical to enforce your "D" status in a dynamic is just silly I think. You could get sick, get in an accident, or simply get old and there goes all your claims to authority or power. Guess you didn't have much of it to begin with if it could just disappear like that, huh?

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RE: Physical strength and D/s - 6/24/2009 1:06:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: agirl

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Where on earth do people live that they NEED to carry a gun to be safe?!?!?!

Pretty much any big city, the woods where wild animals live...What is YOUR method of self defense?  just hoping that nothing bad ever happens/


That's just daft.

The majority of people in European cities do not carry guns for *self defence*.

In the UK, you can't even OWN a gun unless you have been through a stringent and rigorous procedure...and even THEN you can only own one if it is for sport (gunclub) or work related (farmers etc).

The average person here wouldn't even consider themselves likely to bump into someone with a gun, let alone wonder about how they'd defend themselves in such a situation.

It's not unheard of, and we have knife and gun crimes, but it's not the *norm* for people to assume either as *needed*.

agirl



I suppose I am as daft as kal, then.  In my life I have been assaulted twice.  Once in my own home, with a loaded gun within easy reach.  Nothing devolved into a shootout, despite the high emotion. 
In the assault outside my home, by a stranger, the gun I was carrying stopped the issue from becoming life threatening by causing the immediate cessasion of aggression in the assailant.  I never fired a shot. 
And as much as I don't anticipate either scene will happen again, at least I'll have options. 
Just as I don't foresee my house burning to cinders anytime, I still have a fire extinguisher.  It's just about making sure you have the tools to handle any contingency.
It's better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.
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RE: Physical strength and D/s - 6/24/2009 1:18:52 PM   
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Yes well daft appears to be the american way. The bad guys might have guns so I had better have one. The evil wildlife are just waiting out there to pounce with sharp tooth and claw so I had better have a gun for them also.

Let's forget common sense, just get more guns!!!



Here's one maybe you can relate to:
The coydogs (hybrid wild dogs) that ran two of my neighbor's horses through a fence in the space of a couple of weeks were not going to listen to any kind of common sense.  When the third incident happened, I heard the ruckus, grabbed the rifle by the front door, and went to the pasture to see what was going on.  There were the five horses running in panic, with a motley assortment of seven dogs at their heels.  I dropped one in its tracks, got another that made it maybe another twenty feet, and winged a third as they ran away (I tracked it with my dog to where it was lying mostly dead and put it out of its misery). 
Vet bills and damage to the fence combined would have been costly, as they had been for the first two horses.  With this approach, my neighbor was out only the time it took to get the tractor and dig the hole for the carcasses.  Oh, and he bought me a box of shells, since I was out five rounds. (maybe $5, tops).
If this happens to your stock, I hope that you at least have the option to handle it with decisive force.  If an assault happens to you personally, I hope that there is someone nearby who can act on your behalf.
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RE: Physical strength and D/s - 6/24/2009 1:51:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you, janiebelle.  Unless one can point to a personal, real life situation, most anti gun people try to make those who believe in self defense look like paranoid lunatics.

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RE: Physical strength and D/s - 6/24/2009 1:59:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am a very strong woman.  I inherited the short and strong muscles of my german family.  Also, I live a very active life, working out, playing hard, etc...and because of this, I have grown to be quite strong.  Physically, I am stronger than any domme I have had the privilege of serving.  I am, pound for pound, stronger than my vanilla boyfriend who is physically quite a bit bigger than I.
My strength does not hinder my service in the slightest.  Am I harder to manhandle?  Sure, but since I try and be obedient, there is no real need to do so, and if someone wishes to manhandle me, chances are I will allow it and love every second of it.
For me, strength isn't a lack of femininity.  I am extremely feminine when I choose to be.  Just becaue I can load hay onto the back of a truck with the guys doesn't make me any less girly.

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RE: Physical strength and D/s - 6/24/2009 2:08:46 PM   
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Where on earth do people live that they NEED to carry a gun to be safe?!?!?!


I think there's a difference between "needing" one, and it just isn't a bad idea to have one. Case in point: my favorite park here in the Twin Cities metro, Lake Phalen, has had a number of truly vicious assaults the last year or so. Gangs of teenagers with baseball bats and clubs have savagely beaten several men and women who were just out walking around the lake, and one of those assaults happened while citizens and police were holding a vigil for one of the victims (an elderly woman with cancer, who liked to walk on days between her chemo treatments). That was the last straw that made me decide to go ahead and get my carry permit. Not because I feel i "need" it, but because if I'm going to continue walking around that lake (and i damned well intend to), it's not a bad idea to have one. It's not the same world you and I grew up in, unfortunately, and it's not the same city I moved to as a much younger man. The times have changed, and I see it as a simple matter of adaptation.


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RE: Physical strength and D/s - 6/24/2009 2:32:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		What I find interesting is that few people approach this subject in a calm, middle ground, fashion.

When I joke about paranoia, people running all about in their daily lifes toting a gun, something that is an extreme to me. People ASSUME I am anti gun. Wrong assumption.

When I joke at other times about the whole left, take everyone's gun away from them because it promotes crime, yada yada yada, another extreme to me, people assume I am pro NRA, pro all the crazy bullshit the NRA promotes. Wrong assumption.

I am neither. I reside comfortably smack dab in the middle. If I have a NEED to go to a dangerous neighbourhood in a large city, like Detroit for instance, I would do what makes sense to protect myself. However, I do not have the NEED, therefor I do the smart thing and AVOID. If I have a possum or skunk (two vermin that have a high rate of rabies in my area), spending too much time near my house, I kill them. The possums I didn't need a gun, a heavy shovel was closer and worked. IF I had large predators endangering my loved ones, I would deal with that as it came. I don't so I do not need to.

I only speak up on threads about guns, because of the nature of the conversation. Often times I am reminded of the, little dick big gun, type of mindset. Bragging about various weapons, trying to make themselves appear more, whatever, than they really are. Most people I know that own guns, do not strut about bragging about them and what they can do with them. It is the people that do, that are humorous to me. I have to wonder what they are trying to compensate for.

So yeah, if you really feel you are endangered, fine carry a gun, blast away! But when you miss the bear you were shooting at, or shoot a loved one, orrrrrrrrrrrr, miss the criminal and they shoot and kill you.........you will deal with the consequences.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other really. I like to rationally think it through. What are the odds of me needing to keep a loaded gun near my bed versus the odds of a short person getting ahold of it? (there was a time when it was needed, I did, that time has passed) What are the odds of me meeting a pack of rabid coy dogs or errant bear or cougar in the wilds of Iowa farmland to warrant carrying a gun everytime I go for a hike? If I did, would I be so shocked to see it, I didn't even think about the gun? Would it most likely run the other way, negating my need to shoot a beautiful animal?

As in all of my major life decisions, I prefer to use educated reason rather than fearful hysteria. It has worked very well for me for 47 years in a less than sheltered life. I am not worried.


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RE: Physical strength and D/s - 6/24/2009 2:47:59 PM   
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What I find interesting is that few people approach this subject in a calm, middle ground, fashion.



Yeah, I know. It's sad. This issue has become so polarized. To me,  gun is just a tool and there are some applications where it is the appropriate tool and others where it's not. Everything's a situation, everything's case by case. I have loaded guns in my bedroom, but there's never been a child in this house since the day I moved in and I can't imagine any circumstances under which there ever will be. If that were different, I would approach the matter much differently.

Am I going to carry a gun when I walk in the park across the creek from my house in an hour or so? No, it's a very safe park, and there are no dangerous animals. Am I taking the .45 with me when i go up north camping and hiking tomorrow morning? Yes, because there are a lot of black bears where I'm heading, and this is cub season. Am I some sort of "gun nut" for packing my .45 or my .357 in bear country? Some would say so. I can live with it. In the woods of Northern Wisconsin, it's an appropriate tool; in Battle Creek Park of Woodbury, MN, it's not. Every situation is different. It's sad that so many on both sides of the issue are unable to see that.


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RE: Physical strength and D/s - 6/24/2009 4:40:08 PM   
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RE: Physical strength and D/s - 6/24/2009 4:48:54 PM   
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I live in Detroit, so I guess you all can understand my position, then.


The only time I've ever been to Detroit - about 25 years ago - I pulled into a gas station and filled up my tank. While I was pumping the gas, out of the corner of my eye I noticed some guy going into the station, and then coming out a couple of minutes later. I didn't think much of it, and when i was finsihed pumping, I went up to the station to pay for the gas. The door was locked, and the clerk was just hanging a sign on the inside of the door saying, "Temporarily closed. We've been robbed." I asked the clerk, "Well, what do you want me to do?" He said if i just waited a minute, the police would be right there, and he could open up and take my money in a few minutes. While I was waiting, I noticed that the "We've been robbed" sign was old, dirty, beat up - corners were bent, there were little tears in the edges, etc. So I asked the guy about that, through the window. He said, "Oh, the boss got mad at us for wasting paper, so he told us just to start using the same sign every time."

True story. That was my 5 minutes in Detroit. Got back on the freeway and kept on heading west, back to Minneapolis. That told me everything I need to know about whether Detroit is the kind of city I could ever live in.

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RE: Physical strength and D/s - 6/24/2009 4:54:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are areas of the city that are not so bad.  But overall, it still needs much improvement. 

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RE: Physical strength and D/s - 6/24/2009 5:15:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Kal, here in the UK, gun crime is tiny.  Only a tiny, tiny percentage think that it'd be good to change our 'no-gun' policy.  That's true, also, for non-lethal weapons like CS gas - also illegal to carry.  Even the police - or most of them - don't want to change that policy and don't want to be armed with guns.  The reasoning is simple: if one side has guns, so will the other. The bad guys will have to get guns, because they'll need to 'defend themselves' against armed civilians and police as they're committing crimes.  Neither will the bad guys have much trouble getting guns in large numbers, these days.  Communication via the Internet and the opening up of connections with Eastern Europe, especially, has seen to that.

When I moved to Bristol, the front page news of the local paper was a shock-horror article about people playing golf illegally at night on the Downs.  That's my kind of place to live in.  We have a situation here that definitely ain't broke, so we don't want to 'fix it'! 

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RE: Physical strength and D/s - 6/24/2009 6:48:22 PM   
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I live in Detroit, so I guess you all can understand my position, then.


Totally. My son was there visiting his cousin last fall. He is his mother's son and took a camera. Asked his cousin to take him to the worst part of town. He walked through many abandoned buildings inhabited by homeless, addicts and other outcasts of society. He remembers being in the building they found the guy frozen with a foot sticking up out of the ice this winter.

Very sad city.

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RE: Physical strength and D/s - 6/24/2009 7:12:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		kal, I guess I wasn't clear enough in my OP - I was disagreeing with the attitude that that particular person had, and which I've seen in a lot of other threads. Personally, I like strong men, regardless of their D/s orientation, and I specifically tend to enjoy playfighting/wrestling/sparring/primal play, which usually does require a certain degree of physical strength. I don't have a defined minimum amount they have to bench press or arm curl, or anything silly like that!

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RE: Physical strength and D/s - 6/24/2009 7:32:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		In America, the criminals already have guns.  And they are not going to give them up.  But even if one hikes or camps or has to deal with a wild dog, what are you going to do if the government tells you you can't have any weapons?

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