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Loki45 -> RE: Palin to resign as governor (7/6/2009 3:48:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
Yeah, sure. Go ahead and ask her.

She was fired because she opposed Palin on the consolidation of the library and the museum, and was generally disruptive and non-supportive of the Mayor's office, not because she was asked to ban books and declined.


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FirmhandKY -> RE: Palin to resign as governor (7/6/2009 3:48:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

The librarian was quite clear in the link offered by Firm... she was challenging the librarian on issues of censorship, repeatedly asking the librarian what would she do if it came up... was an interesting read, and actually cleared up those muddy waters for me. The librarian felt she was being... pushed... to go against what she knew was right.

Thnk you Firm, for showing me that link. it certainly proves that Palin cannot be trusted.

You always have a choice about what you believe.

You choose to believe that there is something dark about the discussion, based solely on a political opponents "feelings" rather than on the facts.

You'll fit right in.

Firm




tazzygirl -> RE: Palin to resign as governor (7/6/2009 3:48:52 PM)

She was fired because she supported the incumbant mayor. Keep asking someone the same question... and they get suspicious of you not accepting their answers.




Cagey18 -> RE: Palin to resign as governor (7/6/2009 3:49:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

speaking as an ob nurse... what a freakin idiot!!

Yes indeed...assuming of course that Palin's water in fact broke in Dallas, as opposed to, say, her daughter's back in Wasilla.  Under the latter scenario, her actions make perfect sense--hurrying home to witness the birth of her first grandchild, Trig.

No records have been disclosed to support (or deny) either scenario. 

We do, however, have Bristol's months-long absence from high school prior to Trig's birth, allegedly due to a prolonged case of mono.





tazzygirl -> RE: Palin to resign as governor (7/6/2009 3:55:01 PM)

It would make sense, though, with the baby's diagnosis of down's syndrome, that he was Palin's, At her age, its not an unusual complication. One i would ascribe to Palin than Bristol.

But, i cannot for the life of me see any airline agreeing to take on the responsibility of flying a woman whose water had already broke (and how did they know it broke)... not to mention there is a 24 hour delivery time line from break. man.. crazy... it COULD swing either way.




harddaddy4u -> RE: Palin to resign as governor (7/6/2009 3:56:20 PM)

The pettiness of liberals is breathtaking. Not to mention the transparency of their efforts to try and destroy a good woman with false charges and innunendo.

The mere fact that you libs keep trying to attack Sarah Palin, long after she simply went back to being governor of Alaska, shows how empty you all are.

I suggest you all get lives - unless you are a citizen of the state of Alaska, it's none of your damn business what she does or how she does it. The last time I checked, states handle their own matters without interference from meddlesome people who live in other states, and have too much time on their hands.

Worry about the politicians in your own state and let Alaska worry about theirs.

If and when she runs for federal office, then at that point, her policies and opinions will become relevant to you. Until then, try finding something productive to do with your miserable lives. There are dozens of thoroughly corrupt Democrats out there in each of your respective states to keep you all busy, if in fact you care about "ethics".




Loki45 -> RE: Palin to resign as governor (7/6/2009 3:58:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: harddaddy4u
The mere fact that you libs keep trying to attack Sarah Palin, long after she simply QUIT being governor of Alaska, shows how empty you all are.


Don't worry, I fixed that little error for you. [sm=buddies.gif]




Cagey18 -> RE: Palin to resign as governor (7/6/2009 4:03:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

speaking as an ob nurse... what a freakin idiot!!

Here's a hilarious flowchart showing the Palin thought process...





Loki45 -> RE: Palin to resign as governor (7/6/2009 4:08:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Cagey18
Here's a hilarious flowchart showing the Palin thought process...


Hilarious indeed. However, the last 'bubble' mis-spelled gladiator. Still funny as hell though.




tazzygirl -> RE: Palin to resign as governor (7/6/2009 4:09:00 PM)

ROFL

omg... the biggest laugh i have had all year!!

thank you!!




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Palin to resign as governor (7/6/2009 4:09:05 PM)

Well, looks like the other kids have pretty much shot down most of those points while I was out runnung errands, so I'll just address the only one nobody else has torpedoed - #5, the one about the Alaskan Independence Party. I've never seen anyone here state that she was a member, although perhaps I simply missed it. What is true is that her husband, Todd, was a member for 7 years, and that she taped a recorded greeting for the party at their 2008 convention. In the interest of killing 2 birds with 1 stone, I cite as my source this article, detailing a series of incidents in which John McCain's chief campaign strategist, Steve Schmidt sent her an e-mail basically telling her to stop asking him to lie for her.

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"That's not part of their platform and he was only a 'member' bc independent alaskans too often check that 'Alaska Independent' box on voter registrations thinking it just means non partisan," Palin wrote. "He caught his error when changing our address and checked the right box. I still want it fixed."

Palin was attempting to bend the facts ever so slightly to fit neatly into her version of events. In truth, the box that Alaskans have the option of checking when registering to vote states the full name of the party, "Alaskan Independence Party," not "Alaska Independent," which would make an error by uncommitted voters more plausible.

Clearly irritated by what he saw as Palin's attempt to mislead her own campaign and apparently determined to demonstrate that the ultimate authority rested with him, Schmidt put the matter to rest once and for all with a longer response to everyone in the e-mail chain.

"Secession," he wrote. "It is their entire reason for existence. A cursory examination of the website shows that the party exists for the purpose of seceding from the union. That is the stated goal on the front page of the web site. Our records indicate that todd was a member for seven years. If this is incorrect then we need to understand the discrepancy. The statement you are suggesting be released would be innaccurate. The innaccuracy would bring greater media attention to this matter and be a distraction. According to your staff there have been no media inquiries into this and you received no questions about it during your interviews. If you are asked about it you should smile and say many alaskans who love their country join the party because it speeks to a tradition of political independence. Todd loves his country

We will not put out a statement and inflame this and create a situation where john has to adress this."

Schmidt's rebuttal to Palin's suggestion that reporters had asked her about the issue was particularly blunt in that it implicitly questioned her truthfulness.
Furthermore, his unwillingness to budge an inch on the matter was a remarkable assertion of his power to pull rank over the candidate herself.


"I won't lie for you, Sarah"

That's "plain-spoken Sarah" for you, in her own words. Not a soundbite, not some out-of-context anecdote massaged by a spin doctor - that's Sarah Palin, lying to McCain's campaign staff and asking them to lie on her behalf. About her husband's membership in a political party that advocates secession from the  United States, and her own (albeit limited) support for that party.




tazzygirl -> RE: Palin to resign as governor (7/6/2009 4:12:12 PM)

Last i heard, she has yet to say she wont run for office in 2012. We can only assume she will be crazy enough, after all she has done already, to actually try and run again. and nashville is a long way from alaska.

Amazing how GOP backers will pat a silly woman on the head, tell her she is still cute and viable as a potential nominee while overlooking her stupidity. tsk tsk... try again.




Loki45 -> RE: Palin to resign as governor (7/6/2009 4:13:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Last i heard, she has yet to say she wont run for office in 2012. We can only assume she will be crazy enough, after all she has done already, to actually try and run again. and nashville is a long way from alaska.

Amazing how GOP backers will pat a silly woman on the head, tell her she is still cute and viable as a potential nominee while overlooking her stupidity. tsk tsk... try again.


I wouldn't be so sure. The biggest backlash I saw about her resignation came from the GOP. Most were like [sm=wtf.gif]




tazzygirl -> RE: Palin to resign as governor (7/6/2009 4:22:09 PM)

LOL

Oh dont i know. But, as you saw from Panda's post, she may still be crazy enough to try. According to someone she worked with when she was mayor...

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Carney confronted Mayor Palin at a City Council hearing, and was shocked by her response.

"I braced her about it," he said. "I told her it was against the law to make such a large expenditure without the council taking a vote. She said, 'I'm the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I can't.'"


http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/17/palin_mayor/

Obviously, her arrogance knows no boundaries.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Palin to resign as governor (7/6/2009 4:45:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
1. She withdrew state funding for rape kits (or, alternatively, decided to charge the raped women for the kits).


Actually state funds were not available while she was mayor of Wasila and she removed the line item in the city budget that paid for rape kits.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/21/palin.rape.exams/


Rape kits debunked from Slate.


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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3. She wants only abstinence education, and no other sex education.

Actually when she ran for Governor in 2006 she did say she would support only abstinence only ed in public schools.
http://eagleforumalaska.blogspot.com/2008/09/2006-gubernatorial-candidate.html


No, the question and answer was:

3. Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?

SP: Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support.

There have been discussions about this even on CM. You are trying to enforce the fallacy of the excluded middle.

Her position:

Palin appears to disagree with McCain on sex education:

"I'm pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues," she said during a debate in Juneau.


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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5. She believes that the Iraq war was directed by God.

She actually called it a 'task from God.' Seems like the same thing to me but I expect your usual semantic games.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2ypVSYoEKA


Great piece of propaganda. Unfortunately, I've listened to the entire thing, not just the chop job you offer. I thought the text overlay was pretty neat - it tries to help you skip right over what she actually said:

... In September. Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right also for the country. That our leaders - our national leaders - are sending them out on a task that is from God. That is what we have to make sure we are praying for.

She asking the congregation for pray that our leaders are actually following God's plan. It's a hope, not a declaration.


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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6. She said that dinosaurs walked the earth 4k years ago.

She's been cagey about stating her beliefs, SOP for creationists who want to be taken seriously on the national stage. But she did say she wanted creationism taught in public schools during her campaign for governor.
http://chronicle.com/blogs/election/2391/palin-believes-in-biblical-creation-but-hasnt-forced-it-into-the-curriculum

So ... let me get this straight.

You can't prove she said the remark I put forth, so you decide to change the subject.

She has never stated that she believes in Creationism. She has said “I don’t pretend to know how all this came to be.”

Fine point? Not when you put words in her mouth, and condemn her simply because she holds Christian beliefs.

You are also saying that since she has religious beliefs - but isn't willing to force them on others - she's disqualified for public office? I guess she is pretty 'cagey" and all, believing that she shouldn't enforce her religious beliefs on others.

Firm




tazzygirl -> RE: Palin to resign as governor (7/6/2009 5:14:10 PM)

Out of all the sources on line.. all the questionable blog sites.. all the note worthy news reports... the following strikes me as extremely accurate... not because its from a politician, a news reporter, but because its from someone who has nothing to gain by telling a lie.

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But Wasilla stood out. Tara Henry, a forensic nurse who has been treating rape victims across Alaska for the last 12 years, told CNN that opposition to Croft's bill from Wasilla Police Chief Charlie Fannon was memorable.

"Several municipal law enforcement agencies in the state did have trouble budgeting and paying for the evidence collection for sexual assault victims," Henry said. "What I recall is that the chief of police in the Wasilla police department seemed to be the most vocal about how it was going to affect their budget."


comments?




FirmhandKY -> RE: Palin to resign as governor (7/6/2009 5:23:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Out of all the sources on line.. all the questionable blog sites.. all the note worthy news reports... the following strikes me as extremely accurate... not because its from a politician, a news reporter, but because its from someone who has nothing to gain by telling a lie.

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But Wasilla stood out. Tara Henry, a forensic nurse who has been treating rape victims across Alaska for the last 12 years, told CNN that opposition to Croft's bill from Wasilla Police Chief Charlie Fannon was memorable.

"Several municipal law enforcement agencies in the state did have trouble budgeting and paying for the evidence collection for sexual assault victims," Henry said. "What I recall is that the chief of police in the Wasilla police department seemed to be the most vocal about how it was going to affect their budget."


comments?

What comments?

This the chief that she fired?

You know how many rape victims there were in her town during her entire tenure? 6.

You know how many rape victims where in her town, during the entire time prior to the state changing the law? 1.

You know how many of those "1" rape victims paid for the rape kit? 0.

In fact, the Chief was making claims so that he could increase his budget. Google it, if you care.

Firm




FirmhandKY -> RE: Palin to resign as governor (7/6/2009 5:30:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

Well, looks like the other kids have pretty much shot down most of those points while I was out runnung errands, so I'll just address the only one nobody else has torpedoed - #5, the one about the Alaskan Independence Party. I've never seen anyone here state that she was a member, although perhaps I simply missed it. What is true is that her husband, Todd, was a member for 7 years, and that she taped a recorded greeting for the party at their 2008 convention. In the interest of killing 2 birds with 1 stone, I cite as my source this article, detailing a series of incidents in which John McCain's chief campaign strategist, Steve Schmidt sent her an e-mail basically telling her to stop asking him to lie for her.

quote:


"That's not part of their platform and he was only a 'member' bc independent alaskans too often check that 'Alaska Independent' box on voter registrations thinking it just means non partisan," Palin wrote. "He caught his error when changing our address and checked the right box. I still want it fixed."

Palin was attempting to bend the facts ever so slightly to fit neatly into her version of events. In truth, the box that Alaskans have the option of checking when registering to vote states the full name of the party, "Alaskan Independence Party," not "Alaska Independent," which would make an error by uncommitted voters more plausible.

Clearly irritated by what he saw as Palin's attempt to mislead her own campaign and apparently determined to demonstrate that the ultimate authority rested with him, Schmidt put the matter to rest once and for all with a longer response to everyone in the e-mail chain.

"Secession," he wrote. "It is their entire reason for existence. A cursory examination of the website shows that the party exists for the purpose of seceding from the union. That is the stated goal on the front page of the web site. Our records indicate that todd was a member for seven years. If this is incorrect then we need to understand the discrepancy. The statement you are suggesting be released would be innaccurate. The innaccuracy would bring greater media attention to this matter and be a distraction. According to your staff there have been no media inquiries into this and you received no questions about it during your interviews. If you are asked about it you should smile and say many alaskans who love their country join the party because it speeks to a tradition of political independence. Todd loves his country

We will not put out a statement and inflame this and create a situation where john has to adress this."

Schmidt's rebuttal to Palin's suggestion that reporters had asked her about the issue was particularly blunt in that it implicitly questioned her truthfulness.
Furthermore, his unwillingness to budge an inch on the matter was a remarkable assertion of his power to pull rank over the candidate herself.


"I won't lie for you, Sarah"

That's "plain-spoken Sarah" for you, in her own words. Not a soundbite, not some out-of-context anecdote massaged by a spin doctor - that's Sarah Palin, lying to McCain's campaign staff and asking them to lie on her behalf. About her husband's membership in a political party that advocates secession from the  United States, and her own (albeit limited) support for that party.


Well, I hate to differ, but no one has proven a single one of the slurs I posted. There's been a lot of sarcastic humor, and further attacks. There have been a lot of misdirection, and changing of terms.

But not a single one of the slurs I posted has been proved. Just a bunch of mind-readers and pundits getting in more digs. You yourself are guilty, in your above post.

Was Palin a member of the AIP or not?

Not Todd.

Not "did she record an address for their convention" ... WAS SHE A MEMBER?

The answer of course is "No", but you attempt to change the subject, and paint a picture around the facts so that you can change the focus just enough to get by without actually answering the question.

I'm kinda disappointed, because even if we disagree, I've always seen your point. But when it comes to Palin, you seem to be operating in the emotional, not the rational.

Firm




mnottertail -> RE: Palin to resign as governor (7/6/2009 5:39:12 PM)

What comments?

This the chief that she fired?

You know how many rape victims there were in her town during her entire tenure? 6.

You know how many rape victims where in her town, during the entire time prior to the state changing the law? 1.

You know how many of those "1" rape victims paid for the rape kit? 0.

In fact, the Chief was making claims so that he could increase his budget. Google it, if you care.

Firm

Wasila....Do you know how many rapes there have been in my town since the founding of it, it is about the size of Wasilla.......0.

But this thing, and you and I have had disagreements before....

Google it.....that is not the lodestone, and the net has heavy spin Why I remember some time ago, when you were pointing out articles to me from the web that we had a surfiet of recruiting frenzies and we had more than enough fresh troops to fill the breach for nearly eons.

Now, to business-----so she resigned as Governor of Alaska....either she is setting up for a run at national power or she ain't, we won't know until late this fall when we see her stumping or not to raise money for the mid-terms (because republican or democrat, common or royalty, the checkbook has the effect of law).

Anyway, big fuckin' deal.   She may have higher aspirations, she may not....she may simply be sick and tired of being called a dumb fucking cunt (mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa)......our dicing and slicing and laser-like inciteful reasonings will not sway her judgement, I expect.

This time, Firm....it is in answer to you, (peripherally)  although I have no dog in this fight, and do not consider her resigning as governor to have any more political import than mcnamara cakking...............

Ron    





FirmhandKY -> RE: Palin to resign as governor (7/6/2009 5:44:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

LOL

Oh dont i know. But, as you saw from Panda's post, she may still be crazy enough to try. According to someone she worked with when she was mayor...

quote:

Carney confronted Mayor Palin at a City Council hearing, and was shocked by her response.

"I braced her about it," he said. "I told her it was against the law to make such a large expenditure without the council taking a vote. She said, 'I'm the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I can't.'"


http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/17/palin_mayor/

Obviously, her arrogance knows no boundaries.

A left leaning magazine's hit piece called "Sarah Palin's wasteful ways" !

Some thought provoking quotes:

Although Carney says he no longer has documentation of the expenditure ...

He is viewed as a longtime Palin gadfly, ever since he sided with her opponent in the 1996 mayor's race.


I'd suppose that if any of this really happened, that it would have certainly been brought up before the election, don't you think? A $50k bill .... and no one can find the paperwork?

For the other stuff ... how about some documentation, titles of reports, or anything of substance other than "someone thinks" or "someone feels"?

yeah, right.

Don't be so naive. There is no documentation to support much of anything in this piece, but it suuuurrreee sounds good!

This is more politics and political propaganda, and you are the target.

Firm




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