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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Torture of prisoners, restriction of civil rights, a blind eye to the local loyalists violence, use of the military for control of the civilian population, forcing the population into less desirable areas.

All apply to both Israel and the UK's response to terrorism. Like I said almost as far. Of course the UK wasn't faced with genocidal opponents who wouldn't accept self governance and peace.

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ORIGINAL: Irishknight

The belief that the UN will do anything but argue and pretend to be useful is what I find preposterous.  They are an entirely useless debating society.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Torture of prisoners, restriction of civil rights, a blind eye to the local loyalists violence, use of the military for control of the civilian population, forcing the population into less desirable areas.

All apply to both Israel and the UK's response to terrorism. Like I said almost as far. Of course the UK wasn't faced with genocidal opponents who wouldn't accept self governance and peace.

A debate on this detracts from Pirates question, which is probably why you typed it. Start a thread on it if you like though and ill happily refute your arguments with facts.

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ORIGINAL: Irishknight

The belief that the UN will do anything but argue and pretend to be useful is what I find preposterous.  They are an entirely useless debating society.

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ORIGINAL: JonnieBoy

One wonders if EVER the United Nations will take Israel to task over its APPALLING record on human rights and independently established GUILT over ... war crimes, quite simply.

I am not asking for a debate over IF ... that's WELL proven, nor am I asking for a debate regarding ANY OTHER NATION OR FORCES record in this area. Quite simply ... Israel.

Pirate

(this is NOT a politics, nor religion related topic)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Torture of prisoners, restriction of civil rights, a blind eye to the local loyalists violence, use of the military for control of the civilian population, forcing the population into less desirable areas.

All apply to both Israel and the UK's response to terrorism. Like I said almost as far. Of course the UK wasn't faced with genocidal opponents who wouldn't accept self governance and peace.

A debate on this detracts from Pirates question, which is probably why you typed it. Start a thread on it if you like though and ill happily refute your arguments with facts.

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

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ORIGINAL: Irishknight

The belief that the UN will do anything but argue and pretend to be useful is what I find preposterous.  They are an entirely useless debating society.

...well, that assumes that a debating society is actually useless. In the information age in which we live, such debates can materially affect the way individual nations see things.

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ORIGINAL: JonnieBoy

One wonders if EVER the United Nations will take Israel to task over its APPALLING record on human rights and independently established GUILT over ... war crimes, quite simply.

I am not asking for a debate over IF ... that's WELL proven, nor am I asking for a debate regarding ANY OTHER NATION OR FORCES record in this area. Quite simply ... Israel.

Pirate

(this is NOT a politics, nor religion related topic)

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ORIGINAL: Firebirdseeking

This is the first time I have ever logged onto Off Topic Discussion and I dont know who you are or who you think you are but I do know that the new anti semitism involves harsh criticism of Israel instead of Jews, because to speak of Jews is to be politically incorrect.  You do not know your history at all.  You have NO idea.  I am not saying that Israel is perfect, far from it but since its creation as a state - an act of desperation and heroism, in light of the fact that 6 million of us were wiped off the face of the earth - the surrounding nations have made it abundantly clear they want to see Israel destroyed, and proceeded to do attempt to do so.

Do you think China has a good record on human rights?  How about the Taliban?  Why dont you post about the atrocities of those nations?

Or maybe you just dont like Israel. 

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

No. This is not an attempt to detract from Pirate's question. It is an attempt to put it in its true light.

No one but the worst sort of hypocrite could claim any nation would behave substantially differently in Israel's situation. The UK is the easy modern example but many others are available. The last almost 8 years and the horrible divisions it has produced in the US over using essentially the same tactics as Israel for a far more minor threat should make it even more clear.

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ORIGINAL: calamitysandra

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ORIGINAL: Firebirdseeking

This is the first time I have ever logged onto Off Topic Discussion and I dont know who you are or who you think you are but I do know that the new anti semitism involves harsh criticism of Israel instead of Jews, because to speak of Jews is to be politically incorrect.  You do not know your history at all.  You have NO idea.  I am not saying that Israel is perfect, far from it but since its creation as a state - an act of desperation and heroism, in light of the fact that 6 million of us were wiped off the face of the earth - the surrounding nations have made it abundantly clear they want to see Israel destroyed, and proceeded to do attempt to do so.

Do you think China has a good record on human rights?  How about the Taliban?  Why dont you post about the atrocities of those nations?

Or maybe you just dont like Israel. 

I find it deeply offending to automatically label criticism of the Israeli government as antisemitism.

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ORIGINAL: Firebirdseeking

This is the first time I have ever logged onto Off Topic Discussion and I dont know who you are or who you think you are but I do know that the new anti semitism involves harsh criticism of Israel instead of Jews, because to speak of Jews is to be politically incorrect.  You do not know your history at all.  You have NO idea.  I am not saying that Israel is perfect, far from it but since its creation as a state - an act of desperation and heroism, in light of the fact that 6 million of us were wiped off the face of the earth - the surrounding nations have made it abundantly clear they want to see Israel destroyed, and proceeded to do attempt to do so.

Do you think China has a good record on human rights?  How about the Taliban?  Why dont you post about the atrocities of those nations?

Or maybe you just dont like Israel. 

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ORIGINAL: calamitysandra
I find it deeply offending to automatically label criticism of the Israeli government as antisemitism.

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ORIGINAL: Firebirdseeking

I find it deeply offensive that no matter what Israel does, she as a nation gets criticized.  I find it offensive that 6 million Jews were genocided and Israel still has to defend itself and its right to exist.   I do not defend everything the Israeli government does defensible, but I dont  live there.  I am not living in a country the size of New Jersey, surrounded by Arab hatred.

What many do not understand is how deeply the Holocaust is embedded in the psyche of most Jews, just as the slavery experience here is embedded in the psyche of African Americans in this country.  

Try living there before you level your criticisms.  

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ORIGINAL: Firebirdseeking

I find it deeply offensive that no matter what Israel does, she as a nation gets criticized.  I find it offensive that 6 million Jews were genocided and Israel still has to defend itself and its right to exist.   I do not defend everything the Israeli government does defensible, but I dont  live there.  I am not living in a country the size of New Jersey, surrounded by Arab hatred.

What many do not understand is how deeply the Holocaust is embedded in the psyche of most Jews, just as the slavery experience here is embedded in the psyche of African Americans in this country.  

Try living there before you level your criticisms.