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Analyzing D/s - 7/5/2009 4:04:59 PM   
GuardianOfWeak


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Status: offline 		I tend to be a very analytical thinker and apply that in many ways. One thing I've noticed amongst subs is four general categories that seem to define the root of their interests:

1) Feeling Dirty
2) Humiliation
3) Servitude
4) Helplessness

What do other people think?
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RE: Analyzing D/s - 7/5/2009 4:11:15 PM   
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RE: Analyzing D/s - 7/5/2009 4:13:29 PM   
Aswad


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Status: offline 		Your analysis is shallow. An analysis is generally supposed to be a bit more in-depth and exhaustive. As such, I think the term "preconceptions" might be more accurate to describe it. And you might want to give a bit more detail and precision than is allowed for by your four point list, if you were actually looking for some constructive feedback about its contents.

In summary, I do not concur with your supposed "analysis," though one point almost touches on a topic.

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RE: Analyzing D/s - 7/5/2009 4:20:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GuardianOfWeak

I tend to be a very analytical thinker and apply that in many ways. One thing I've noticed amongst subs is four general categories that seem to define the root of their interests:

1) Feeling Dirty
2) Humiliation
3) Servitude
4) Helplessness

What do other people think?

Oh Darlin.....lemme give you my list:

1) Strength
2)Character
3) Belief in herself
4) Capable
5) Courageous

One word that you will NEVER find on this list is stupid...And it would take a high level of stupidity to accept a dom with a list such as yours.


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RE: Analyzing D/s - 7/5/2009 4:37:40 PM   
Aswad


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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

And it would take a high level of stupidity to accept a dom with a list such as yours.


"Only two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I have my doubts about the former."

The subbie mafia should consider hiring a cleaner...


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RE: Analyzing D/s - 7/5/2009 4:39:51 PM   
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The subbie mafia should consider hiring a cleaner..
submit your application...

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RE: Analyzing D/s - 7/5/2009 4:47:01 PM   
TreasureKY


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Status: offline 		I think that people feel what they feel and do what they do for a myriad of reasons.  The four roots of interests that you list are a good beginning, but hardly cover the scope of possibilities.  I, for one, do not fit any of them. 

Keep thinking and do some research and search the archives.  There are a number of threads that have been started here in the forums where many submissives have posted about their submissiveness and where it comes from.  If you'd like some fresh responses, consider starting a new thread and ask. 

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RE: Analyzing D/s - 7/5/2009 4:57:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		GuardianofWeak, it may be that you feel most comfortable around such women, or that you attract them to you, and as a result you have a biased view of what "all" submissive women are like.  Your screen name indicates to me that you have a "white knight" thing going, and you are looking for women who "need" protection.

You may discover that some such women are the babe-equivalent of what female dominants call "do-me subs" -- people whose idea of submission is to demand every ounce of your physical time and emotional energy.  As for me, I much prefer to be GuardianoftheStrong.

Good luck.


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RE: Analyzing D/s - 7/5/2009 5:06:17 PM   
DesFIP


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Status: offline 		Doesn't match my observations at all. I see subs being drawn to obedience, service or emotional transparency.

The first two in the op's list are just kinks, hot sex stuff. I can't see a relationship being based on one or two kinks. At least, not for long.

To be generous to him though, he appears very young so probably he thinks all there is to this is sex. He'll learn, or not.

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RE: Analyzing D/s - 7/5/2009 5:33:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think that at 21 yoa, you have not even begun to have enough time to conduct an adequate scientific sample to produce this loosely based concept.
 
I also think that you might want to change your approach if you hope to succeed anytime in this millenium.
 
Flutter,pass the popcorn please.

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RE: Analyzing D/s - 7/5/2009 5:47:38 PM   
Aswad


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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

quote:

The subbie mafia should consider hiring a cleaner..
submit your application...


Application for position as subbie mafia cleaner
Screen name: al-Aswad.
Current age: late 20's.
Residence: Norway.
Qualifications: like women and pets (not mutually exclusive), erudite to the point of being able to spell "foreplay" and "safeword" in a pinch, pretty easy to track down for refunds, several years of fixing head cases, several more years of being a head case in a bad way, life time head case in a good way, a few months of being a neat freak, and pretty handy with a broom, a mop and a variety of chemicals with diverse household and non-household applications.

I like to fix broken toys and the occasional broken dream (dreams of world domination not included; it's all mine). Pickups are okay, but not my pickup lines (mine are so rusty I'm apt to blurt out "you're hot, can I keep you?"). Can make nice subbies go bad, and can make bad subbies disappear (my cat ate my homework, yes?). Subbies will probably be dirty at some point (the sand just gets everywhere, yanno?); feeling dirty costs extra (any ex-toys of the OP can have a discount). Acquainted with medical professionals in the fields of emergency medicine, general practice, clinical psychiatry, dermatology, venerology, hematology, oncology, cardiology, gastrointestinology, endocrinology, odontology, chirurgy, anaesthesiology, pharmacology and criminal psychiatry (wtf!); a subset of these are friends (for all those 'special' needs). Live in defense lawyer capital of the country (for the aftermath). Family and friends in all judicial branches (uh, oh). Founding a church and supposedly known to walk on water from time to time (heard it on the grapevine). Certifiable evil genious in waiting. Have seen too many crap movies. Last but not least, my handiwork has never made the front page.

In short, I think you should hire me.

Health,
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RE: Analyzing D/s - 7/5/2009 5:55:04 PM   
GreedyTop


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(regards to your household)


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RE: Analyzing D/s - 7/5/2009 6:18:56 PM   
xiam


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quote:

ORIGINAL: GuardianOfWeak
1) Feeling Dirty
2) Humiliation
3) Servitude
4) Helplessness


5)  L O V E .

Welcome to the forums!

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RE: Analyzing D/s - 7/5/2009 6:50:40 PM   
Aswad


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ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

I think that at 21 yoa, you have not even begun to have enough time to conduct an adequate scientific sample to produce this loosely based concept.


The science aspect aside, this being a forum of peers, not a peer reviewed journal, I think that you might want to change your approach if you want to be taken seriously when addressing a young person. While only slightly older than the OP, I'm certainly not oblivious to the advantages of age. However, the amount of experience and wisdom accumulated at a given point in time is necessarily dependent not only on the number of years lived, but also on the amount of experience acquired in any given year. Moreover, regardless of the apparent limitations of the OP's experience, it is a general characteristic of youth to be dismissive of those of whom it is characteristic to be dismissive of youth generally.

Unless one wishes to essentially speak advice or commentary into thin air, that bears remembering.

Ageism is unbecoming of all ages.

Health,
al-Aswad.


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RE: Analyzing D/s - 7/5/2009 6:55:10 PM   
Missokyst


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Status: offline 		Feeling dirty doesn't do it for me.  I enjoy blushing too much.
Humilation pisses me off! 
Servitude?  I have no desire to be a waitress or someones mommy that did not spring from my body.
Helplessness?  I am not into bondage much.  I like the connection to my partner and that is it.
But fear?  Anxiety? Yeah.. that works.  Unless I am in a relationship with a man where I NEED to make sure he has everything he wants, none of those others fit in my scheme of things.
Kyst

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RE: Analyzing D/s - 7/5/2009 7:28:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GuardianOfWeak

I tend to be a very analytical thinker and apply that in many ways. One thing I've noticed amongst subs is four general categories that seem to define the root of their interests:

1) Feeling Dirty
2) Humiliation
3) Servitude
4) Helplessness

What do other people think?



I'm not sure why other people are interpreting this in such an odd way. I took what you said to mean the roots of a submissive's sexual interests and as such I'm mostly in agreement with your list. I don't think laudatory personality qualities ("courageous, capable"), while they certainly have their place in life, have much to do with someone's specific sexual passions, although they may indirectly aid in making those passions more fulfilling, I suppose. ;)

I would add to your list the concept of masochism, either the pure physical love of pain, or a more emotional/psychological-driven love of suffering (the latter, I think, is very very close to sadism, it's just turned upon oneself instead of others).

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RE: Analyzing D/s - 7/5/2009 7:34:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GuardianOfWeak

I tend to be a very analytical thinker and apply that in many ways. One thing I've noticed amongst subs is four general categories that seem to define the root of their interests:

1) Feeling Dirty
2) Humiliation
3) Servitude
4) Helplessness

What do other people think?


I think you are sufferring from what my teenager would call a brain fart.

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RE: Analyzing D/s - 7/5/2009 7:45:28 PM   
MMercurial


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Status: offline 		1) Feeling Dirty
2) Humiliation
3) Servitude
4) Helplessness

From my experience with a distinct category of male subs, this is very close to the combination of experiences they desire. However, they may or may not be root causes. Sometimes they are just the by-product of the root causes.

And sometimes, a hideously traumatizing event which included humiliation, pain, fear, helplessness, etc., is the root cause, and as a result of this evil event(s), they become hardwired to crave these things.

Don't have a clue about the women.



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RE: Analyzing D/s - 7/5/2009 7:47:03 PM   
GreedyTop


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quote:

ORIGINAL: CaringandReal


quote:

ORIGINAL: GuardianOfWeak

I tend to be a very analytical thinker and apply that in many ways. One thing I've noticed amongst subs is four general categories that seem to define the root of their interests:

1) Feeling Dirty
2) Humiliation
3) Servitude
4) Helplessness

What do other people think?



I'm not sure why other people are interpreting this in such an odd way. I took what you said to mean the roots of a submissive's sexual interests and as such I'm mostly in agreement with your list. I don't think laudatory personality qualities ("courageous, capable"), while they certainly have their place in life, have much to do with someone's specific sexual passions, although they may indirectly aid in making those passions more fulfilling, I suppose. ;)

I would add to your list the concept of masochism, either the pure physical love of pain, or a more emotional/psychological-driven love of suffering (the latter, I think, is very very close to sadism, it's just turned upon oneself instead of others).


because maybe quite a few of us do not find these categories to be the root of what we feel?


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RE: Analyzing D/s - 7/5/2009 7:48:54 PM   
Aswad


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

(regards to your household)


Cheers back to you, too. The other literate member of the household may be coming back to the boards soon, too. I'm guessing the exact definition of "soon" depends on how many boxes I discipline myself into unpacking per day. The last place was promising when we went for it, but turned out to be a bit of a nightmare (late night parties, shotgun fire, one pimp-dealer-thug, drunk driving, sewage backflow, water interruptions, no cell reception, etc.). This time, we're quite nicely tucked in between a bunch of older people in a quiet, stable and reasonably centrally located neighbourhood with a paradoxically lower rent. Had to cross-rent for three months, but the time was spent on making the move go a fair bit smoother than any previous move, so it's all good (if a bit expensive at $10K and rising).

I'm going to have to jerry-rig a primitive A/C 'til the heat wave is over, and install a HEPA filter (acquired sensitization to airborne dust and spores), but otherwise the unpacking will be smooth sailing from here on out, it seems. And we have a dedicated room for a library, now, bringing the total number of shelves up to something like 150, which finally allows the books and DVDs to all be unpacked (though the DVDs have to be stacked in two layers). Unfortunately, there's no guest rooms (we've used those for An's altar room, whereas I've appropriated the shed for my own use), though the new couch is as comfy as the bed, IMO.

Bit of a derailment, though. Anyway, "hi" back from us all, 'cept for the cat, who goes prr'ràów instead.

Health,
al-Aswad.


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