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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/8/2009 1:09:56 AM

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Well duh. Of course you don't need a model to draw - that's a given!
But saying that you can use an apple to draw a hand is tosh.
Now a cube or a circle? Now your talking...

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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/8/2009 1:22:55 AM

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dude, don't talk about comic books to someone who's been PAID to do them.

and EVERY artist is a novice when they begin, so your comment means jackshit.

unless you can actually DRAW yourself, and show you can, you don't know SHIT about what it takes and what it does not. And UNTIL you can draw, your comments are like those of someone bitching about who gets elected while refusing to pay taxes or vote.

show some art to back your (un)informed opinion or drop it.

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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/8/2009 1:24:52 AM

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the previous statement was to ienigma, not Darcy and the dark, just in case anyone gets confused...

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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/8/2009 1:29:46 AM

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What the hell are you talking about????????

I'm going to assume that you are referring to my post:

quote:

of course. Those are options. But the plaster cast? It's just another still life. There is something about the vibrancy of a live person that an artist truly interested in capturing the human form strives to catch, and that can ONLY be captured by a live model.

Enjoy your lifeless models, dude.

some of us want to try and capture LIFE.

Um, I don't think I was unclear. I think the artistic folks here would understand what I meant.

Of course, I could be wrong

but I don't think I am.

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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/8/2009 1:31:50 AM

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okay, http://tales-of-artstuff.com

Now, jam your rebuttal up your ass.

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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/8/2009 1:36:06 AM

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Apple to draw a hand...I never said that...see what I mean about twisting stuff.

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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/8/2009 1:39:23 AM

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AGAIN, unless you have been a PROFESSIONAL figurative artist, you do NOT know what is required to become proficient and cannot back up the (fallacious) statement that ANY form of reproduction of the model (be it photographic or digital or anything else) can in ANY way be a substitute for live models, ienegma.

Your points are getting lost in the erroneous correlation of income from art and quality of art. It's a flat out argumentum ad hominem, first of all, and not applicable to art as an entity.

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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/8/2009 1:40:22 AM

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Jam my rebuttal from a link that yields "

You are not authorized to view this page

You might not have permission to view this directory or page using the credentials you supplied.

If you believe you should be able to view this directory or page, please try to contact the Web site by using any e-mail address or phone number that may be listed on the tales-of-artstuff.com home page.
You can click Search to look for information on the Internet.

HTTP Error 403 - Forbidden
Internet Explorer

and on Mozilla yields

"
Directory Listing Denied
This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed."

???

Uh, I think you just rebutted your self with a butthead link, pard.

you are NOT a published artist.

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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/8/2009 1:44:26 AM

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"Your points are getting lost in the erroneous correlation of income from art and quality of art. It's a flat out argumentum ad hominem, first of all, and not applicable to art as an entity."

Dude, sorry, but that comes from a perspective that says blogging 1000 pages is the same as getting paid 5 cents a word for a 30 page short story from a real publisher. NOT so, sorry.

and ienigma opened the door you refernce above when he/she used comics (a PAID FOR publication medium that deals witn break-points and royalties and liscensing agreements etc.).

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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/8/2009 1:45:12 AM

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Yeah, it's like the artist who goes out into a raging storm, to paint the essence of the storm, his/her canvas flying off the easel, down the hill, chasing it, to return it to the spot...on and on...the essence, the vitality, you can't surely believe that...too much hollywood.

Please, art is a business, certain disiplines apply to the business, certain skills aquired, accuracies, a certain expertise, knowlege of your craft. The shape, form, how muscles and mass interact, converge upon one another, ....the plaster casts...from artists who went before, give the 3 dimensional shape, with the shadows cast at certain times of the day, natural and artificial light, a controlled environment, controlled conditions to study, analyse, decipher, learn from.

The live nude is just one small aspect of the entire.....essence...please, like I said too much hollywood bullshit.

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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/8/2009 1:49:38 AM

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It was supposed to be ironic, hence the smilie. Dude lighten up!

Some people rock at drawing from memory. You don't have to have a model in front of you if your brain works that way. But to suggest that using a still life is in anyway the same as using a model(living or statue) is pretty much stretching it. Even plaster models can't show texture or veins in the way you are implying. Same as drawing from a book. That's a 2d representation anyway and totally different from using a model - and thats not even taking into account light. Like HPH, I've drawn cartoons too... totally different type of work. It's like comparing oils to watercolours.

Drawing yourself is something most people start with. It rocks of course, but can get (not always) pretty staid and repeatative. Different bodies yield different shapes and encourage different techniques.

I'm not sure why you find the naked form for use in art, quite so offensive?

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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/8/2009 1:49:44 AM

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Dude, sorry, but that comes from a perspective that says blogging 1000 pages is the same as getting paid 5 cents a word for a 30 page short story from a real publisher. NOT so, sorry.

No artist worth his salt would ever confuse income for quality. People can get paid for lacklustre work just as easily as a CEO's nephew can land a great gig.

Frankly, professionals prone to whip out their resume before whipping out their portfolio have a mindset that speaks for itself.

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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/8/2009 1:49:48 AM

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Oh, sir, I beg your pardon, but that I very well am, try again. Http://www.tales-of-artstuff.com

Now, what you see is a mastering of hand executed work as well as a mastering of CGI; and this is only one little dab at the stuff I've done.

So, jam your rebuttal of my rebuttal of your rebuttal up your tight little ass.

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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/8/2009 1:49:59 AM

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"The live nude is just one small aspect of the entire.....essence...please, like I said too much hollywood bullshit. "

and hollywood is driven by money PERIOD. BY the way, do you know who owns Vertigo and DC comics? and why? since the '70's?

"Please, art is a business, certain disiplines apply to the business"

Then money and the apsects of art that use money are a valid yardstick, by your own admission.

which of these staments from your post to you want to adhere to, since you can't have both as that is playing both sides against the middle.

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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/8/2009 1:55:14 AM

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There you go, I never said I find the naked, nude body offensive...twist, twist, as you alway do.

I've taken live nude modeling classes ad nauseum. Also had my own paid for models...what in God's name atre you saying.

I have Plastrer casts, hanging around, and draw upon them for accuracy and generally form.

Essence....something in the wind I suppose...yes, you can catch texture, from still life, it's study and learn, always learning.

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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/8/2009 1:55:36 AM

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"Frankly, professionals prone to whip out their resume before whipping out their portfolio have a mindset that speaks for itself. "

counterpoint: the above is generally a sentiment made by people that can never get paid. for creative work.

which also speaks for itself, like the promoters of Creative Commons Liscensing that want copyright laws as they stand to all fall uinde CC so they can do Fanboy Bullshit of works by Frank MIller and Rowling without doing the hard yards that lead to the characters they want to exploit being valuable in the first place.

but even by your own staements, real art must take precedence in any event and in that case any real artist (published or not) will agree, from gallery to Yoko Ono style bullshit, that live models are not replaceable by photographs.

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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/8/2009 1:56:57 AM

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Your page/link isn't working - from either link you gave. When I go, all I get is a http 403 Forbidden warning and it says it needs you to log in.

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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/8/2009 2:03:59 AM

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I am not trying to twist anything. I just don't see the issue you seemed to have with live models, from your statement to GT a page back. For me, every source has merit and not every source works for everyone. People find their niches, so it just seems bizarre to suggest that people should just stick with a bowl of fruit or a vase or a coke can because they are a novice - because in essence that is what your post said. If it didn't, then maybe you should try and work on your communication skills.

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If one wants to learn to draw, you do not need a Nude person to learn from...that would be for the more advanced and serious student and/or practioner.

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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/8/2009 2:05:19 AM

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counterpoint: the above is generally a sentiment made by people that can never get paid. for creative work.

Call me a purist, but I never found the motivation behind having an artistic outlet as being able to measure it later down the line in how big the bottom line was in digits before the decimal.

Granted, like any other enterprise, monetary motivation is a big push and humans are naturally built to pursue it. People can often get further just by wanting to get further. But I digress...

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ORIGINAL: HatesParisHilton

but even by your own staements, real art must take precedence in any event and in that case any real artist (published or not) will agree, from gallery to Yoko Ono style bullshit, that live models are not replaceable by photographs.

I never had any disagreement with this point.

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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/8/2009 2:10:19 AM

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well I hate to use a search engine to get the work for that link but...

still no good.

But under
http://marquis.rebsart.com/erotica.html

it worked. I am assuming that's "you". http://marquis.rebsart.com/oils.html , that's you, right?

if so, I looked at the oil paintings.

the enlarged samples from the gifs do not actually help your argument. are the paintings good, and entertaining? yes.

is there any way that anyone 'in the know' would say you would NOT be at least 30% better if you painted from live models, rather than digitals photos, polaroids etc.? No. It's good stuff, but I can see why you are taking this tack and tenet. You're basically self-published and not fine art oriented. Life drawing classes are for people that are into things that are not represented on your site, at all.

also you are a "profile not found" person.

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