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LadyPact -> RE: "Service" Submissive (7/13/2009 8:11:54 AM)
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Not that I don't love the words put out there in a lovely purple shade, I did go back and change yours so that I could separate the statements between the two of us easier. It's early and I was up quite late. I'm sure you understand. [;)]
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ORIGINAL: FullfigRIMAAM1
I can't believe I'm standing up for Mal, and his relationship, but here goes... [:D]
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
The reason for calling it a business arrangement is because it is one Mal has a relationships that suits him, and his domina has one that suits her. Anyone else's discomfort regarding money notwithstanding. It isn't really our business to define anyone else's relationship, and make it seem less than honorable because we disapprove.
The very first relationship I had as a domina, was with a very service oriented man, who waited on me hand and foot, and though I wasn't looking for one, he turned out to be a financial slave as well. I didn't take anything from him when we were not together on a date, but that was simply my own boundary set, because he never refused me anything.
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It would be My opinion that if someone, anyone for that matter, is going to disclose the private details of their interactions on a public venue, they invite comments and opinions within the same venue. If the situation has been defined, it has not been by Me.
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Excuse Me if I'm wrong, but mal's dealings with the professional that he sees is not a personal dynamic, but rather a client situation.So, while plenty of men who can afford to, give their women money when they need/want it(because many men enjoy being able to take care of their women), when it comes to male submissives and dominas, it is automatically classified as a professional/client situation. What is wrong with service of any type? He says, leave the housecleaning to other men... That would infuriate me, and disqualify him for me, but if I had a sub who paid someone to do what he is supposed to get done, I wouldn't have an issue with it at all.
Actually, that wasn't My issue. I've said often that a sub doesn't necessarily have to know how to cook, as long as he knows how to order and pay for a mean take out. I don't care if a sub changes the oil in My car or takes the thing to Jiffy Lube to get the job done. If I want the house clean, it doesn't matter to Me if the boy does it himself or if he hires a maid to come in twice a week. As long as the result that I desired is obtained, I don't care how it is reached.
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Since the topic is service submission. there is a distinct difference between the two. Paying money for services rendered is different than a sub offering a service in a personal dynamic. The question goes more to what mal does provide, just as what services a sub provides in an actual dynamic I didn't read any place where he said, he is charged by the hour, and dismissed until the next appointment. How do you know how personal his relationship is with her? Just because he mentions giving her money? He mentions doing a lot of things that I wouldn't want my lover mentioning, but I'm not here to rule over his manners as a gentleman. The bottom line for me, is that he serves at her pleasure, and what that entails, is none of my business. To call it impersonal is presumptuous, I think.
I think we agree on his manners. No sub of Mine would ever disrespect Me to mention our sexual interactions based on a monetary exchange. In My opinion, I would much rather show someone the door than have him have Me sound like a common prostitute.
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To continue with that reasoning, mal giving up his ass isn't particularly a service.[/quote]Why not? If what she wants to have, he has, and submits to her desires/needs/wants, than why would giving up his ass be any less servile, than doing dishes, or paying her mortgage?I would agree, if such a thing were the benefit of being a sexual slave. The balance of power changes, however, if he pays her to provide that service to him.
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It's like saying when people's hair grow, it's a service the the beautition What? If your beautician orders you in, does whatever she wants with you, than takes whatever money you offer her, you have a different type of beautician than I do.
Wouldn't that be fun? Still, I think you misunderstand My point. Certain services are wanted and/or needed. I pay to get My hair styled in the way I like. The fact that the beautician enjoys My company during that process doesn't change the fact that I am a client accepting goods or services. I am charged for what I receive.
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What if your sub could no longer provide domestic service? It depends on how committed the two of us are to one another.
Which is the exact question I asked.
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What kind of criteria is important to you in a D/s dynamic? Many things are important to me, and while I would/have dated a man without money, I would definitely not date one who had money and lacked generosity. I'm not gripped by the fear that money might make the relationship somehow dirty, and dishonorable. Oh please! I do plenty of dirty things when in a good relationship. Being treated well by a man who can afford to is not one of them.
Where did anyone say interactions are 'dirty'?
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The question of what would happen if the money was removed in a pro/client exchange is just as valid as would you still retain your personal sub if a major component of your D/s structure was gone. Of course the question is valid. I just find it interesting coming from a female dominant. It comes off a little like a girl who likes a guy in high school, but the guy is dating someone you disapprove of. My point is, why disapprove of Mal's service to her, or her dominating him to her expectations? Whether a relationship would survive the loss of whatever we feel is important, is one we can only ponder, until we are actually there. I broke up with my first boy/financial slave, but it certainly wasn't because he lost his job, or could no longer provide.
Oh no. The fact that I would never allow a sub of Mine to allow any dynamic, personal or professional come across to make Me sound like a common whore, is not the issue. Pardon Me for having higher standards.
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Service is any such thing that makes My life easier Mal's domina might define service exactly the same way as you do for all we know. M
But the question remains.
Would you have allowed your financial slave to run your name in the dirt?
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