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Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/17/2006 6:35:20 AM   
philipsub


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Status: offline 		Hi, i am a strong believer in the natural supremacy of Females over males and would be interested in hearing views from others on this. How strong is the psychological bond when a slave male serves a gynarchist lesbian couple? The gynarchist principle removes any "hope" that the males desires will be given consideration as part of the power exchange. Very powerful and magnetic?
Do you agree?
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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/17/2006 6:51:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Knew a woman sometime back, who for similar reasoning was the submissive in a relationship with a gay male dom. She said removing 'sex' from the equation, for her got to the heart of her submission, knowing her desire to serve him and be slavish for him was never because he gave her mind blowing orgasms. Unfortunately lost touch with her so know idea whether she is still serving him or not. Already they'd been together a little over a year.

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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/17/2006 7:09:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		There are many couples like this. Master Jim and slave marsha, International Master/slave 2001 are such a couple. He is gay, she is lesbian and neither the twain shall meet. I also know of a Het Female Master with a gay male slave (but can't remember their names at this moment). Master Skip Chasey, a gay male, has at least two het female slaves in his household. Master Steve Sampson, also a gay male, also has a het female slave. I know of many other Masters who would accept service from a different sexual orientation, including myself. It's more common than most think and it's not always about sex.

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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/17/2006 8:19:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I find it interesting that while the OP's question was specifically about female supremacy and lesbian Dommes, both posters so far have focused on the orientation dynamics of homo/hetero rather than lesbians being Dommes of males (as shown by most examples had gay males as the Dominant, regardless of the orientation of the female submissives).

The dynamic of D/s or M/s where the two people are not sexually interested in each other is interesting, but as clearly shown, it has nothing to do with supposed female supremacy. I've actually had guys come to me (as I was the one who did most of the initial screening of potential submissives) and ask if we had this kind of set up, since Holly's and my relationship has been established for many years (engaged for 6 years now *whee!!*). It's something that has never appealed to us, in any way - not only because we aren't actually lesbians, but because we find the idea that one gender is superior to the other to be rather absurd.

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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/17/2006 8:38:47 AM   
Oumae


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Status: offline 		Hi philip and welcome to the boards, am glad you have found this section as it might be a bit more welcoming to you.

While personally I am not convinced that one sex is superior to the other, I more think they can compliment each other and there is good and not so good in both, if someone else enjoys that and it works for them fine.

While a male sub serving lesbian Dommes might to one mean a denial of their sexual urges to others with maybe a low libido it may just satisfy their need to serve.
What makes a bond magnetic and powerful differs for people.

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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/17/2006 9:02:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SweetDommes
It's something that has never appealed to us, in any way - not only because we aren't actually lesbians, but because we find the idea that one gender is superior to the other to be rather absurd.


I agree with that sentiment.

A lot of people seem to be into the whole "It is the natural way of things for X gender be superior to Y gender) mindset (Female Supremacy is an accepted part of the bdsm spectrum, as is the Male Supremacy we see among the Gorean contingent). I can and do parrot the Female Supremacy party line during scene-type activity, but recently, I thought about it and decided it totally creeps me out.

It's the Supremacy part that gets me.

Slavery in the American South was based on the fact that some people believed they were natually superior to others which made it just find to enslave them (non-consensually). This mindset is still floating around. Then there were those Germans who believed they were natually superior to everyone who wasn't tall, blonde and nordic-looking, and we know what happened there...

So, believe what you want to believe, say what you want to say, be Gender Supremacists if that's your kink/lifestyle choice, but this Dominant Female is opting out of the Female Supremacy party.

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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/17/2006 12:09:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'll try this from a slightly different perspective. This question was originally posed in the Gorean Forum so some of my responses are to that end.

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Hi, i am a strong believer in the natural supremacy of Females over males

Thats the first problem. WE believe in the Male Dominance over the female species as a matter of birthright or natural order. The idea of female supremacy is an anathema to us.

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and would be interested in hearing views from others on this.

No you're not. Providing you underatood ANYTHING about Gorean philosophy, you'd have never asked here.

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How strong is the psychological bond when a slave male serves a gynarchist lesbian couple?
No one here cares. Honestly


Personally, persons like the above nausiate me. Somewhere they've lost their birthright, somewhere forsaken it for kink.. They can no longer walk erect and are the leading cause for the run-away train I call domme's.

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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/17/2006 12:24:51 PM   
slv4manhaterWomy


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Status: offline 		Hello Ma'am i agree no one is on topic this boy has sought total slavery to a Sadisticly Cruel Lesbian for a couple of years, i really also have no desire in sexual contact with owner, but would also include sexual servitude in any manner desired. it would offer total control and servitude along withbeing a pain receptacle and beg for objecctification and degradation

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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/17/2006 2:41:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: philipsub
Hi, i am a strong believer in the natural supremacy of Females over males and would be interested in hearing views from others on this.


Don't not believe there is a natural supremacy of anyone ... but know it is a pointless exercise to point this out to a self confessed fem supreme believer ;)

I do however believe men are natural pleasers and but very few women know how to be pleased. That from the time of the mammoths man's fate was sealed when did home he bring slain the largest mammoth in the land and she said is that it? ;)

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How strong is the psychological bond when a slave male serves a gynarchist lesbian couple?


Again, as others have said, would depend entirely on the people involved and why they are doing it. But to answer your question, yes for some female supremist subs it could be the ultimate gig.

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The gynarchist principle removes any "hope" that the males desires will be given consideration as part of the power exchange.


Cuckolding, chastity, ownership of the male organ and it's functions can be said to stem from this as well but with or without gynarchist theatrics ... ie the people in the equation don't have to be followers of fem supremacy for any of these things to happen or take place.




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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/17/2006 2:45:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Webmaster60

I'll try this from a slightly different perspective. This question was originally posed in the Gorean Forum so some of my responses are to that end.

quote:

Hi, i am a strong believer in the natural supremacy of Females over males

Thats the first problem. WE believe in the Male Dominance over the female species as a matter of birthright or natural order. The idea of female supremacy is an anathema to us.

quote:

and would be interested in hearing views from others on this.

No you're not. Providing you underatood ANYTHING about Gorean philosophy, you'd have never asked here.

quote:

How strong is the psychological bond when a slave male serves a gynarchist lesbian couple?
No one here cares. Honestly



Personally, persons like the above nausiate me. Somewhere they've lost their birthright, somewhere forsaken it for kink.. They can no longer walk erect and are the leading cause for the run-away train I call domme's.


Master Michael,
Let Me preface this by saying that I respect your right to your Gorean belief system. I would not have been aware that this question was also posted on the Gorean Board if you had not followed it here to copy and paste your reply from that forum. Admittedly, posting something of this nature in that area might not have been the best choice.
I did read your post and noted you began with the disclaimer that you would try a different perspective and that some of your responses were from that persepctive.
May I point out that all of your responses were from that perspective, Michael. I know of several Gorean Masters who are delightful posters to this 'Ask a Mistress" Board. Unfortunately, you have shown that you are not one of them.
You post may have been appropriate for that forum, but it was an insult to the Dominas on this forum. Probably best to agree that you should play in your yard and I will play in Mine.
*Biting tongue to keep from typing what I really want to say*


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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/17/2006 3:37:51 PM   
Jasmyn


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ORIGINAL: MysticalPhoenix - (Pheonix, this post is not directed at you, just a general statement)

Female Supremacy is an accepted part of the bdsm spectrum


I don't believe it is that accepted at all. Whenever this topic is raised nothing about 'fem supremacy' as a 'kink' is ever actually discussed; rather men who believe in it are told they are moronic to do so (referencing general comments, not anyone's comment on this thread in particular) and a woman who believes in it is told she is delusional (again referencing general comments and sentiments bandied about in the past).

This reluctance to give ‘gender hierarchical’ relationships the kudos they deserve as unique D/s practices with unique dynamics not present in other D/s relationships is oppressive to those who follow 'gender heirarchical' practices.

Perhaps it is the 'supermacy' label that irks people so ... but it does frustrate me that as apparently self professed openminded souls pursuing our kinks...people can't see past the label. Much like 'rape' or it's lesser agressive term 'ravishment' fantasies once caused much consternation for those who did not understand how such a thing could work in a consensual relationship/scene.

Because we, society, etc, do ascribe to ‘genders’ all styles of domination will be variants of male or female domination and depending on the style of d/s employed, there will be less importance placed on one gender having superiority over the other that gender domination requires.

A couple may readily employ traditional fetish and other elements of ‘female/male domination’ in scene but do not ascribe to ‘female or male superiority’ as a concept, thus the dominant being ’gender superior’ and the submissive being ‘gender inferior’ states do not need to exist outside of a scene for the ‘dominant/submissive’ relationship to exist.

Whereas a couple who ascribes to ‘female or male superiority’ may or may not employ any traditional fetish or other elements of ‘female/male domination’ to a scene but the ‘gender superior’ and ‘gender inferior’ states never change from one moment to the next, if they did the relationship would fail to exist as a ‘gender hierarchy’.

Given there is no forum for followers of female supremacy but there is for followers of male supremacy by the way of Gorean boards, then Ask a Mistress is the very next best thing, infact the only thing available to them, and I'm asking, nay I'm pleading, tolerance and understanding is required here, take an interest, find out why a fem supreme sub feels the way he does rather than ruling it out as something unrealistic.

Something from a recent contact:

Wow, I really do think you must be one of the only dominant women who has grasped, what I believe, to be superior female domination. Stunning and with words that strike a cord deep within what I am seeking, a goddess to be owned by, love, worship and care for....one to dream about yet one who will inspire me too helping me flourish. It never occured to me until I read your ad the right dominant female who is able to understand my deepest, darkest secrets, desires and find them all, know my mind inside and out, surely she is the one best placed to guide me to my potential in all aspects of life. Truely amazing.

In a few words he has managed to sum up the essence of being a superb dominant (fem supreme or otherwise), one who can and does inspire ... each and every fem dom has this part to her... it is what draws the moth to the flame. Even the man who professes no interest in female supremacy will seek a fem dom who is superior to all in his eyes. He's worshipping your womanhood as much as he is worshipping you. You are his Goddess whether you want him to worship you as a Goddess or not.



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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/17/2006 3:43:00 PM   
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I have no idea why he felt compelled to repost it in this forum since it was no longer a question being asked of him.

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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/17/2006 8:40:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm glad that Dusty saw it before I did. I have enough issues with the goreans that I've met in the past ... and he just reinforces them.

And for the record, it isn't that I disagree with female supremacy - it's that I don't believe that any one quality, be it gender, hair/eye color, skin color, nationality, religion, etc, makes any group superior to any/all others. My issue with most supremacists (of any variety - male, female, arian, left-handers, whatever) is that they disallow and are at best rude to anyone who doesn't follow their belief - as shown by the gorean who made an appearance here; at worst, they exclude others and/or become violent (think about all the attacks/firebombings/other things that have happened to gay bars, ethnic hangouts, and other places).

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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/17/2006 10:09:15 PM   
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No you're not. Providing you underatood ANYTHING about Gorean philosophy, you'd have never asked here.


Perhaps he understood everything about Gorean philosophy and that's the very reason 'why' he asked here. The question makes much more sense in this forum than in the Gorean forums.

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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/17/2006 11:03:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: philipsub

Hi, i am a strong believer in the natural supremacy of Females over males and would be interested in hearing views from others on this.


I've seen some women who couldn't even hold a candle to some men, and vice-versa. There's no doubt that some women are superior, but IMHO, Female Supremacy in general is wishful and/or extreme thinking.

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How strong is the psychological bond when a slave male serves a gynarchist lesbian couple?


I wouldn't have a clue. But I do suspect that for the most part, this is just another malesub fantasy that only occurs in a miniscule percentage of real-life F/m relationships.

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The gynarchist principle removes any "hope" that the males desires will be given consideration as part of the power exchange. Very powerful and magnetic? Do you agree?


Not my cup of tea in the least. It's hard for me to imagine the potential for a loving relationship between a malesub and two gynarchist lesbians. But I would keep my mind open to contrary points-of-view, should gynarchist lesbians come forward to express them.

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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/18/2006 12:27:53 AM   
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I know what I want to say, just unsure how to say it...

But… here goes…

I agree wholeheartedly with Jasmyn’s post, that “one who can and does inspire ... each and every FemDom has this part to her... it is what draws the moth to the flame. Even the man who professes no interest in female supremacy will seek a fem Dom who is superior to all in his eyes. He's worshipping your womanhood as much as he is worshipping you. You are his Goddess whether you want him to worship you as a Goddess or not.”

In response to this, I think that there could very well be deeper, underlying tones for how someone feels regarding this. For example… through centuries (correct me if I’m wrong, chances are I am, but it would be cool if someone would/could back me up with this) There have been thousands upon thousands of references to “Mother Earth” ( a.k.a Gaia)

Women in general have been seen as a giver of life, a protector, and in a lot of cases, a Goddess and this has been seen in not only Greek civililization, but others as well (Celtic, Norse, and Sumerian to name a few)

While I don’t believe in Female Supremacy per se, Women DO have this submissives utmost adoration, mainly because I relate to my above statement.

Hope this helps

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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/18/2006 12:28:11 AM   
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Even the man who professes no interest in female supremacy will seek a fem dom who is superior to all in his eyes. He's worshipping your womanhood as much as he is worshipping you. You are his Goddess whether you want him to worship you as a Goddess or not.


Well... that sure hits the nail on the head for me! ...

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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/18/2006 5:19:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		I read this post when it was in the Gorean forum and tho' I felt that a couple were quick to jump on what could have been an innocent mistake in where to ask the question originally ( after all the OP did move the question when others politely told him the more suitable forum) I held my tongue as feel that as it is "your" forum you are entitled to your ways.

For you to follow the post here and answer the way you did strikes me as the pot calling the kettle black.

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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/18/2006 6:15:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Admittedly I see things through the mindset of a Gorean Master, I am honest enough to happily say that I know far too many women who are natural dominants and whom I have the utmost respect. Many of them are more like sisters to me and I treat them with the same respect, and familiarity, as I would a sister but always the respect comes first. Do they threaten my Dominance? Not on your nelly! They simply balance the power equation. My Mother in Law is one of these ladies and we both know she wrap me around her finger (but then I love her like my own mother). I learned the necessity of balancing power dynamics of male and female years ago and understood it more as a Priest of the Goddess in her many names. Y’see I have the advantage of seeing the working dynamics, balance and harmony of a Gorean Mistress and kajirus and Gorean Master and kajira in the homes of several friends in the US.

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RE: Gynarchy and Female Supremacy - 2/18/2006 10:16:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lady SilverRose and myself currently run a matriarchal household, and have one servant who is a lesbian female. We've often mentioned that we'd -love- to have a butler, but the truth is, we'd actually probably not respond to someone who insisted on serving out of a notion of gender supremacy for females. We may acknowledge personal supremacy (and in fact -require- recognition of our right to be in charge in our household), but do not ascribe to particular supremacy of one -gender-, -race-, or -religious philosophy-.

That being said, I think it would be a fascinating experience for a male servant in our household. One thing that has been a sticking point for many males who have expressed some interest in serving here is the fact that sex would not be a part of the service package, or would be such a rare occurance that it might as well not be a part of the service negotiations. For myself, I would think that it would open the mind to a broadening of the ideas of service and yielding -- and that is huge for me, not just when dealing with a male servant, but for dealing with -any- servant. I've spent monastic time myself, and find that sex can be deliciously distracting... but I'd rather have focus in place -before- entering into something that might distract, warp, and confuse the dynamic. I would think that it would sharpen the definitions one has for oneself about why one serves to serve without sex as an option. There is nothing wrong with serving out of a desire for sex, but I tend to think that it is best to know what motivates us, and then to make effective choices, once we are aware of why it is that we do what we do, and how we obtain satisfaction from it.

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ORIGINAL: philipsub

Hi, i am a strong believer in the natural supremacy of Females over males and would be interested in hearing views from others on this. How strong is the psychological bond when a slave male serves a gynarchist lesbian couple? The gynarchist principle removes any "hope" that the males desires will be given consideration as part of the power exchange. Very powerful and magnetic?
Do you agree?


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