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rulemylife -> RE: GOP implosion continues, post-Sarah Palin (7/11/2009 6:06:46 PM)
So let's recap. You make claims that appear to be grossly exaggerated, provide no proof, then declare you are an expert so we all must take your word for what you say and if we want proof we need to find it ourselves. No wonder you're so fond of Sarah Palin.

Lucylastic -> RE: GOP implosion continues, post-Sarah Palin (7/11/2009 6:21:23 PM)
part of the problem, not the solution.

harddaddy4u -> RE: GOP implosion continues, post-Sarah Palin (7/11/2009 6:22:21 PM)
All talk of a so-called "GOP implosion" is nothing but wishful thinking on the part of the left. And there is no such thing as "post Sarah Palin." She resigned as governor, but will be active in the GOP through fundraising, etc..., and probably future political office. Her numbers are actually higher since she resigned, among the conservative base. Sarah was actually able to draw supporters in greater number than the teleprompter in chief was able to, during the campaign, and that won't change, just because she resigned. That is one reason why those on the left hate her so much - she is effective, positive, and inspiring. We'll see how well Democrats do in 2010. It's unlikely that Americans will allow them to control the White House and both houses of congress, when they are making such a mess of everything.

slvemike4u -> RE: GOP implosion continues, post-Sarah Palin (7/11/2009 6:23:37 PM)
Not sure I'm following you Rule could you give me another recap.[8\|]

YoungLust -> RE: GOP implosion continues, post-Sarah Palin (7/11/2009 7:32:52 PM)
Please please.... PLEASE somehow let Palin win the Republican nomination in 2012. Let her continue to inspire the minority of you folks and entertaining the rest of us.

DedicatedDom40 -> RE: GOP implosion continues, post-Sarah Palin (7/11/2009 7:42:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: harddaddy4u All talk of a so-called "GOP implosion" is nothing but wishful thinking on the part of the left. I'm on the right, and Palin is still a dope. Her supporters are equal dopes. You were saying the implosion is wishful thinking? http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/bokf-xurl0ge5oytpzai7w.gif The only place where there hasn't been an 8-10% decline is with bible thumping, socially conservative high school grads. Precisely Palin's audience. Now thats a demographic to rally the rebuilding of the party around, eh? http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/scv9ciumeumvortf2puoqg.gif All those midwesterners in the manufacturing belt who lost their jobs since 2000 represent the biggest exodus. Also note the defections among the working ages, while the 65 and older who sit on their asses offered up the least decline. I guess they stay put because they want government to keep their hands off their retirement money that they legitimately stole from future generations. LOL..... Denial is a big part of the Republican problem as well.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: GOP implosion continues, post-Sarah Palin (7/11/2009 8:13:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoulPiercer Yep. Laughing at the matter is exactly why the melt down will continue. I voted republican in every election for the last 20 years, except this one. I was having a tough time with it, but after I watched Gen Powell that Sunday morning, I felt a lot better about my decision. The very fact that the GOP was actually looking at Sarah Palin as the front runner for 2012 says a lot. It's almost as if no one in GOP leadership was actually paying attention when she spoke. What the GOP should do is, first, reign in Rush Limbaugh and Dick Cheney. Tell them to lay off Gen Powell. Next they should bring Gen Powell in, ask him exactly what lead him to conclude that the party had lost it's way, sit down, shut up and listen to what he has to say. A great Republican president gave his life fighting to keep this country together. Today's GOP has grown more and more divisive over the last few years. quote: ORIGINAL: SoulPiercer quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse The G O P will again start to win elections when we get back to our conservative roots. Having a liberal like Colin Powell giving advice to republicans is the last thing we need. That's exactly what the problem is. It used to be that when someone dedicated his life to serving the country, he was respected for all he has done. Now, when he breaks ranks, he's "too liberal". He wasn't "too liberal" to serve in two republican administrations. But now he is? When you lose a good executive like Gen Powell, you should be asking yourself why, not calling him names. If ever two posts from one man summed up the story of today's republican party better than these two, I have yet to read them. You've got my respect, for having the brains to see it and the balls to say it. The fact that so many conservatives are not only not ashamed of Palin, but actually proud she's one of them, is a deeply disturbing reflection on the state of the party and an ominous suggestion about the direction it's likely to go. The fact that the party leadership scorns and ridicules Powell as a traitor to the cause, rather than consulting him and seeking his advice, speaks volumes about both the philosophical agenda and the actual sanity of those party leaders... whoever the hell they happen to be. The fact that a party that is supposedly so oriented toward the business community is either ignorant or dismissive of the value of exit interviews is puzzling at best, and downright bizarre when you think about it for a moment. When you lose someone of Powell's stature and experience, how could you not want to hear what he has to say on the way out? I would never let an employee give notice without at least asking him why he didn't want to work for me anymore. What are these people thinking?

rulemylife -> RE: GOP implosion continues, post-Sarah Palin (7/11/2009 8:23:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: harddaddy4u Her numbers are actually higher since she resigned, among the conservative base. Isn't that truly sad? Someone walks away from their commitments and is applauded for it.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: GOP implosion continues, post-Sarah Palin (7/11/2009 8:51:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: harddaddy4u Her numbers are actually higher since she resigned, among the conservative base. Isn't that truly sad? Someone walks away from their commitments and are applauded for it. What's even more sad is the way an ideologue can take even the most negative fact and spin it to sound like something positive. Harddaddy's argument is like saying George Wallace's approval rating went up among racists when he refused to allow blacks into white schools - well, yeah, but so fucking what? It didn't mean Wallace wasn't a bad guy after all; it was just further proof that white racists were ignorant scumbags. Same thing with Palin - of course her "base" approves of her; who else are those idiots going to support? They've got nobody else to support. If she announces tomorrow that she eats a live kitten for breakfast every morning, her "base" will still support her, because now that Mussolini is dead, there's nobody else they can support. What's more important, but has probably sailed about 3 miles over Harddaddy's head, is that when Snowmobile Barbie resigned, the number of people in the country who viewed her less favorably as a result was double the number of people who viewed her more favorably - 17% as opposed to 9%. In other words, she lost twice as many people as she gained. For most rational people, this would be seen as a negative. But to Palin supporters, this is somehow proof that she's onto some Universal Truth. And the really surprising thing is, this is the block of voters you would least expect to be using psychedelic drugs.

DomKen -> RE: GOP implosion continues, post-Sarah Palin (7/11/2009 9:13:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy Do you understand the meaning of "will"? The Patriot Act did nothing to the personal freedom of any law abiding citizen. Confiscatory taxes do. Read some Milton Friedman. I've "deduced" that his policies will be responsible for economic chaos based on years of consulting to private industry and government entities wrt economic forecasting. My minimum billing rate is $10,000 per meeting day. When you can match that in the same business come back and talk to me. Now instead of just repeating your claim, substantiate it. "young" is a very fitting name for you given your depth of understanding of how economics affects personal liberty. You claimed asset valuation does not affect the money supply. Nonsense. You used as a source for the present state of the money supply a website run by a guy who makes a living selling precious metal to suckers taken in by his claims of pending hyperinflation. Claims that have been being made for at least 10 years with absolutely no actual hyperinflation occuring. You claim the that the Patriot Act affected no ones civil rights despite the fact that the feds acknowledge using powers granted by the act to listen in on every international phone call made which is certainly a violation of my rights against unwarranted searches. You base claims about the present state of the economy on Milton Friedman but have made numerous economics claims based on the utterly discredited supply side theories. You now claim to be some sort of economics expert, billing at $1250 hour. Considering this track record why should anyone believe you?

slaveboyforyou -> RE: GOP implosion continues, post-Sarah Palin (7/11/2009 9:25:27 PM)
quote: What about his economic policies? The massive increase of the deficit? More debt than there is money to support it? Taking over companies, deciding hiring, firing, pay scales and bonuses? Establishing "czars" that are outside the systems of constitutional control? The list goes on. While progressives have always pushed for this, the speed in which we are heading down the road have increased dramatically. So if there is not a difference of direction, there is certainly a difference of scope. What about them? He is continuing what GWB was starting to do at the end of his term. GWB was continuing what Bill Clinton had been doing during the entirety of his. I don't know what "czars" you're talking about. The list doesn't go on. The list is fixed, my friend. It's the same as it has always been. Like I said, you're fooling yourself if you think there is any difference.

DedicatedDom40 -> RE: GOP implosion continues, post-Sarah Palin (7/12/2009 5:44:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou What about them? He is continuing what GWB was starting to do at the end of his term. GWB was continuing what Bill Clinton had been doing during the entirety of his. He is doing this because the bulk of the country does lean conservative, and an increasing number of Americans are equating democrats with being too liberal. Now, whether that is a legit trend, or is the result of paranoia surrounding Rush/Fox News propaganda is not known. http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/vvvp3cnr_u2sc6yfdus2gq.gif He is doing what the center conservatives want, rather than what his fringe left wants.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: GOP implosion continues, post-Sarah Palin (7/12/2009 11:26:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy Do you understand the meaning of "will"? The Patriot Act did nothing to the personal freedom of any law abiding citizen. Confiscatory taxes do. Read some Milton Friedman. I've "deduced" that his policies will be responsible for economic chaos based on years of consulting to private industry and government entities wrt economic forecasting. My minimum billing rate is $10,000 per meeting day. When you can match that in the same business come back and talk to me. Now instead of just repeating your claim, substantiate it. "young" is a very fitting name for you given your depth of understanding of how economics affects personal liberty. You claimed asset valuation does not affect the money supply. Nonsense. It doesnt. You used as a source for the present state of the money supply a website run by a guy who makes a living selling precious metal to suckers taken in by his claims of pending hyperinflation. Claims that have been being made for at least 10 years with absolutely no actual hyperinflation occuring. ad hominen his numbers are correct and you havent even attempted to show they arent You claim the that the Patriot Act affected no ones civil rights despite the fact that the feds acknowledge using powers granted by the act to listen in on every international phone call made which is certainly a violation of my rights against unwarranted searches. which is only of concern to those violating the law, and, as one lib claimed in the indefinite detention thread, its the application that matters. You base claims about the present state of the economy on Milton Friedman but have made numerous economics claims based on the utterly discredited supply side theories. discredited by who??? lmao youre clueless You now claim to be some sort of economics expert, billing at $1250 hour. Considering this track record why should anyone believe you? thats not what I said my billing rate was, but I wouldnt expect you to understand the difference. Anytime you want to make it worthwhile I will show you engagement contracts. We'll each deposit say $10k with someone and if what I said isnt true, its all yours.

slvemike4u -> RE: GOP implosion continues, post-Sarah Palin (7/12/2009 11:30:02 AM)
As the "lib" who claimed application matters.....allow me to say this willbur so does context.And that little number you just did is a classic case of apples and oranges. This whole willbur thing is really comedy ...right?

willbeurdaddy -> RE: GOP implosion continues, post-Sarah Palin (7/12/2009 11:36:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u As the "lib" who claimed application matters.....allow me to say this willbur so does context.And that little number you just did is a classic case of apples and oranges. This whole willbur thing is really comedy ...right? Ask whoever started it.

slvemike4u -> RE: GOP implosion continues, post-Sarah Palin (7/12/2009 12:02:20 PM)
No, no willbur I was referring to your postings...not the funny appelation

MarsBonfire -> RE: GOP implosion continues, post-Sarah Palin (7/12/2009 12:16:19 PM)
Interesting bit on CNN last Friday... at least two republican candidates for contested seats in Congress in the mid terms have specifically asked Palin to NOT campaign for them. They apparently feel that having a nutcase hardliner extremist like her showing up in favor of them will only alienate the moderates, and cost them the seats. Palin, however, is quoted as saying that she will still thorw as much support behind them as she can muster... LOL... Palin has broken free, and disappeared into the night, and now the GOP is standing at the doorway, like Gene Wilder, Matry Feldman and Teri Garr, asking, "Dear God in heaven, what I have I done? We've got to stop her before she kills our chances!"

slvemike4u -> RE: GOP implosion continues, post-Sarah Palin (7/12/2009 12:20:15 PM)
Ahh but Mars she will energise their base.....granted she will repel more voters than she attracts,but whats a few voters when you have an energised base?

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