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ORIGINAL: DemonKia

If the kinksters displaying overt BDSM behaviors are doing it in front of people who did not or could not explicitly consent in a fully informed manner, that's inappropriate, to me.

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ORIGINAL: DemonKia

If the kinksters displaying overt BDSM behaviors are doing it in front of people who did not or could not explicitly consent in a fully informed manner, that's inappropriate, to me.

If this behavior is exhibited in front of those who could & did give full consent, then it's fine & fun & wonderful . . . . ..

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero


If you want to caricaturize my words when they are directed towards you to further either petty mockery or intentionaly strawmanning, that's fine.

Doing so when my words are meant for another is..well...elementary school talk.

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Such a fine line is difficult to draw. What I find issue with is this: where is the difference between baring a breast, whether it be for feeding, indecent exposure, or kink?

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Why is one right and not another?

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

What exactly is your point?  Are you saying that it was wrong to caricaturize[sic]  your words, especially when they were meant for others?  REALLY?  Isn't that pretty much all you do on CM?

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ORIGINAL: beargonewild
There are times where our own rights have to come second to what is the general acceptable rights of society.

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ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch
however, I don't deign to engage this person in any further discussions. I feel certain, after seeing her apt pictures and her clothing, that it is highly unlikely she and I would EVER be dining in the same restaurant anyway. Union Turnpike just ain't my thing.

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however, I don't deign to engage this person in any further discussions. I feel certain, after seeing her apt pictures and her clothing, that it is highly unlikely she and I would EVER be dining in the same restaurant anyway.
Union Turnpike just ain't my thing.

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ORIGINAL: Bella1965

G'morning all:

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ORIGINAL: beargonewild
There are times where our own rights have to come second to what is the general acceptable rights of society.

I do not agree. Everyone's rights are sacrosanct. Mine, your's, the lady/man down the street. I do not have to like it. I do not have to participate in it. I can absent myself from something I find objectionable. But I do not feel that anyone person's rights are greater or lesser than another's. Which is why I would defend your right as much as anyone else's rights, even if I find it distasteful. I refuse to surrender those rights simply because someone else's morality finds them questionable. We will just have to agree to disagree.


Stay safe, play nice, & share your toys w/ others...





Bella

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ORIGINAL: Sunnyfey

*claps* Good show Dame Calla!

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ORIGINAL: Bella1965

G'morning all:

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ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch
however, I don't deign to engage this person in any further discussions. I feel certain, after seeing her apt pictures and her clothing, that it is highly unlikely she and I would EVER be dining in the same restaurant anyway. Union Turnpike just ain't my thing.

Flaming is though? How very classy is that? Going for personal insults when you have nothing better to offer is very low brow indeed. How very unlike a dominant. Tsk, tsk, tsk...


Stay safe, play nice, & share your toys w/ others...





Bella

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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

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ORIGINAL: Bella1965

G'morning all:

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ORIGINAL: beargonewild
There are times where our own rights have to come second to what is the general acceptable rights of society.

I do not agree. Everyone's rights are sacrosanct. Mine, your's, the lady/man down the street. I do not have to like it. I do not have to participate in it. I can absent myself from something I find objectionable. But I do not feel that anyone person's rights are greater or lesser than another's. Which is why I would defend your right as much as anyone else's rights, even if I find it distasteful. I refuse to surrender those rights simply because someone else's morality finds them questionable. We will just have to agree to disagree.


Stay safe, play nice, & share your toys w/ others...





Bella

I'm afraid that, philosophically, I have to agree with the teddy bear on this one... While individual freedoms are vital (and most everyone here has heard my diatribe on personal freedoms and responsibilities), I think that we, individually, have a responsibility to consider the sensibilities of those around us when we decide how we are going to PRESENT our individual choices. To ignore that responsibility is to make a mockery of the entire process of being a civilized individual and living in a communal environment. Community is not just about one person and hir "rights" (which, as many of you know, I prefer to call "freedoms"), but also about the responsibility with which we -manage- those freedoms in order to be able to maintain a functional communal environment.

As long as we are subjected to living in community, we have a responsibility, as rational adults, to consider not ONLY our personal desires, but the health, comfort, and freedom of the society in which we live and those neighbors with whom we must interact when we make choices about our personal behavior. In many places this is called "etiquette" or "good manners". It isn't about making laws to -regulate- behavior... it is a concomitant responsibility that comes along with having personal freedoms. The reason that we feel the need to create -laws- to regulate these kinds of things is, at least in part, because there are so -many- individuals who will not take responsibility for their share in maintaining the communal aspects of existence without being forced. Selfish, self-centered behavior is not -only- boorish and rude... it is also irresponsible and contributes to excessive legislation of not only one's -own- freedoms, but the freedoms of everyone else in the community.

Dame Calla

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While individual freedoms are vital (and most everyone here has heard my diatribe on personal freedoms and responsibilities), I think that we, individually, have a responsibility to consider the sensibilities of those around us when we decide how we are going to PRESENT our individual choices. To ignore that responsibility is to make a mockery of the entire process of being a civilized individual and living in a communal environment. Community is not just about one person and hir "rights" (which, as many of you know, I prefer to call "freedoms"), but also about the responsibility with which we -manage- those freedoms in order to be able to maintain a functional communal environment.

As long as we are subjected to living in community, we have a responsibility, as rational adults, to consider not ONLY our personal desires, but the health, comfort, and freedom of the society in which we live and those neighbors with whom we must interact when we make choices about our personal behavior. In many places this is called "etiquette" or "good manners". It isn't about making laws to -regulate- behavior... it is a concomitant responsibility that comes along with having personal freedoms. The reason that we feel the need to create -laws- to regulate these kinds of things is, at least in part, because there are so -many- individuals who will not take responsibility for their share in maintaining the communal aspects of existence without being forced. Selfish, self-centered behavior is not -only- boorish and rude... it is also irresponsible and contributes to excessive legislation of not only one's -own- freedoms, but the freedoms of everyone else in the community.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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While individual freedoms are vital (and most everyone here has heard my diatribe on personal freedoms and responsibilities), I think that we, individually, have a responsibility to consider the sensibilities of those around us when we decide how we are going to PRESENT our individual choices. To ignore that responsibility is to make a mockery of the entire process of being a civilized individual and living in a communal environment. Community is not just about one person and hir "rights" (which, as many of you know, I prefer to call "freedoms"), but also about the responsibility with which we -manage- those freedoms in order to be able to maintain a functional communal environment.

As long as we are subjected to living in community, we have a responsibility, as rational adults, to consider not ONLY our personal desires, but the health, comfort, and freedom of the society in which we live and those neighbors with whom we must interact when we make choices about our personal behavior. In many places this is called "etiquette" or "good manners". It isn't about making laws to -regulate- behavior... it is a concomitant responsibility that comes along with having personal freedoms. The reason that we feel the need to create -laws- to regulate these kinds of things is, at least in part, because there are so -many- individuals who will not take responsibility for their share in maintaining the communal aspects of existence without being forced. Selfish, self-centered behavior is not -only- boorish and rude... it is also irresponsible and contributes to excessive legislation of not only one's -own- freedoms, but the freedoms of everyone else in the community.

I take it that everyone agreeing and applauding this supports the "right wing" position of many communities in the US concerning same sex partners holding hands and showing affection to each other. How "self centered" of them to show their love for their partner in public! Let's chain them up and drag them behind the pick-up for a few miles and scrape off that disgusting homosexuality from their sinning bodies.

Yeah - it IS about personal freedoms. The personal freedoms of individuals to live as they choose, and the personal freedom of someone who doesn't like it to walk away.

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ORIGINAL: beargonewild

Now now Holly....I believe Mercandbeth was being sarcastic with that last comment about homosexuals. Relax and melllllllllllow out!

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Yeah - it IS about personal freedoms. The personal freedoms of individuals to live as they choose, and the personal freedom of someone who doesn't like it to walk away.

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I take it that everyone agreeing and applauding this supports the "right wing" position of many communities in the US concerning same sex partners holding hands and showing affection to each other. How "self centered" of them to show their love for their partner in public!