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John Ensign Linked To "Do it Yourself Exorcism&quo... - 7/19/2009 3:19:40 AM   
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By Bruce WilsonTue Jul 14, 2009 at 06:44:15 AM EST
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Beyond the obvious hypocrisy inherent in GOP Senator and Promise Keepers member John Ensign's recently disclosed extramarital sexual affair, there's another notable aspect to Ensign's religious affiliations that has so far escaped public notice: exorcism.

Senator John Ensign belongs to a Pentecostal denomination, the International Church of the Foursquare Gospel, that promotes a new health care paradigm in which both physical and psychological maladies can be cured through the casting out of demons. In the new approach, individuals can even heal themselves by exorcising their own demons, through a process that a 2003 Associated Press story characterized as "do it yourself exorcism".

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RE: John Ensign Linked To "Do it Yourself Exorcism... - 7/19/2009 5:27:23 AM   
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RE: John Ensign Linked To "Do it Yourself Exorcism... - 7/19/2009 5:27:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would have to know more about it.  Maybe he was going to perform the ceremony on himself and the other republicans for the common good.  About the only excuse that republicans have left for their actions is that the "devil made me do it."

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RE: John Ensign Linked To "Do it Yourself Exorcism... - 7/19/2009 5:54:14 AM   
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I would have to know more about it.  Maybe he was going to perform the ceremony on himself and the other republicans for the common good.  About the only excuse that republicans have left for their actions is that the "devil made me do it."


Yea it's all those rotten republicans. Thank the gods the democrats are perfect. So where are all those jobs that our dear leader promised us. What is the democrats excuse for that lie?

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RE: John Ensign Linked To "Do it Yourself Exorcism... - 7/19/2009 6:10:49 AM   
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I would have to know more about it.  Maybe he was going to perform the ceremony on himself and the other republicans for the common good.  About the only excuse that republicans have left for their actions is that the "devil made me do it."


Yea it's all those rotten republicans. Thank the gods the democrats are perfect.

There may be hope for you yet since you now understand the basics.

So where are all those jobs that our dear leader promised us. What is the democrats excuse for that lie?

In an attempt to cross the aisle, Obama foolishly allowed the republicans to torpedo the stimulus bill with all those tax cuts for the wealthy; trickle down my ass.  I trust that it will not happen again and he now is fully aware of the depravity of the republican party and neo conservatives in general.  Well I have to get back to my reading about Uncle Joe in the hopes of learning how to erradicate the pestulance.

You see I am not a Democrat.  I am a little bit further to the left than they are.

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RE: John Ensign Linked To "Do it Yourself Exorcism... - 7/19/2009 7:59:40 AM   
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So, was there a point or question to this post beyond touting your ability to copy and paste?

Or was it simply more of the same old mindless dog-pile mentality permeating the forums?

"Look, a quarter." "Dibs."

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RE: John Ensign Linked To "Do it Yourself Exorcism... - 7/19/2009 8:10:30 AM   
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So, was there a point or question to this post beyond touting your ability to copy and paste?

Or was it simply more of the same old mindless dog-pile mentality permeating the forums?



If you read the full article you would have found a lot of points.

The primary thing that struck me was this:

From John Ensign's college introduction to the Promise Keepers movement, through the Senator's current membership in a Las Vegas church within the International Church of the Foursquare Gospel denomination, to his current residence in a house owned by Youth With a Mission, a parachurch evangelical organization founded in 1960 by Loren Cunningham - who espouses a doctrine of Christian infiltration of key societal sectors......

Personally, I don't want someone who believes that individual mental or physical problems are caused by "demons" to be anywhere near a position of power in any sector of society.





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RE: John Ensign Linked To "Do it Yourself Exorcism... - 7/19/2009 8:19:24 AM   
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So, was there a point or question to this post beyond touting your ability to copy and paste?

Or was it simply more of the same old mindless dog-pile mentality permeating the forums?



Personally, I don't want someone who believes that individual mental or physical problems are caused by "demons" to be anywhere near a position of power in any sector of society.






I'll be sure and share that with God next time I talk to him.

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RE: John Ensign Linked To "Do it Yourself Exorcism... - 7/19/2009 8:26:01 AM   
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I would have to know more about it.  Maybe he was going to perform the ceremony on himself and the other republicans for the common good.  About the only excuse that republicans have left for their actions is that the "devil made me do it."


Yea it's all those rotten republicans. Thank the gods the democrats are perfect. So where are all those jobs that our dear leader promised us. What is the democrats excuse for that lie?





People, economists, think the stimulus may not have been enough. Republicans could have been more cooperative and allowed a stronger stimulus bill. But instead they weakened it. A stronger stimulus bill would have given us better employment numbers now. Obama didn’t lie.

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RE: John Ensign Linked To "Do it Yourself Exorcism... - 7/19/2009 10:14:53 AM   
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I would have to know more about it.  Maybe he was going to perform the ceremony on himself and the other republicans for the common good.  About the only excuse that republicans have left for their actions is that the "devil made me do it."


Yea it's all those rotten republicans. Thank the gods the democrats are perfect. So where are all those jobs that our dear leader promised us. What is the democrats excuse for that lie?





People, economists, think the stimulus may not have been enough. Republicans could have been more cooperative and allowed a stronger stimulus bill. But instead they weakened it. A stronger stimulus bill would have given us better employment numbers now. Obama didn’t lie.



Oh, ok I understand now. Obama would have created thousands of jobs, but those lousy republicans wouldn't let him do it.

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RE: John Ensign Linked To "Do it Yourself Exorcism... - 7/19/2009 10:16:26 AM   
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So, was there a point or question to this post beyond touting your ability to copy and paste?

Or was it simply more of the same old mindless dog-pile mentality permeating the forums?

"Look, a quarter." "Dibs."

chia* (the pet)



I thought the point was pretty obvious and I wouldn’t have to elaborate but somebody else did respond to your question. I will add very strongly that I am sick and tired of Republican hypocrisy and I am astonished at how dumb many Americans are not only to believe in God which to me is equivalent to believing the earth is flat like we used to 2000 years ago, but more importantly, how can people vote for these whack job crazy nuts? It is truly scary that people like Ensign are voted into office: it’s dangerous.


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RE: John Ensign Linked To "Do it Yourself Exorcism... - 7/19/2009 10:23:51 AM   
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Oh, ok I understand now. Obama would have created thousands of jobs, but those lousy republicans wouldn't let him do it.


I am so proud of you.  You finally got it right.

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RE: John Ensign Linked To "Do it Yourself Exorcism... - 7/19/2009 10:24:30 AM   
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People, economists, think the stimulus may not have been enough. Republicans could have been more cooperative and allowed a stronger stimulus bill. But instead they weakened it. A stronger stimulus bill would have given us better employment numbers now. Obama didn’t lie.



No, you lie. A stronger stimulus wouldnt have done shit except increase the deficits. The stimulus package was nothing more than pork for Dem pet projects.

As far as unemployment goes its the business cycle, stupid, exacerbated by policies that business recognizes will hurt their growth.

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RE: John Ensign Linked To "Do it Yourself Exorcism... - 7/19/2009 10:30:53 AM   
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I am astonished at how dumb many Americans are not only to believe in God which to me is equivalent to believing the earth is flat like we used to 2000 years ago




The earth isn't flat?!

You mean all this time I could have been rollerskating to Church without the fear of falling over the edge?!

You sir, are simply ahead of your time.

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RE: John Ensign Linked To "Do it Yourself Exorcism... - 7/19/2009 10:52:21 AM   
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What a small-minded, perhaps even bigoted, way to look at a self-help ritual.    



Ya'll do understand that "demon" can be a metaphorical term, right?  Substitute the word "issues" for "demon."  Just a different spin on "empowering" yourself .  Call it Christianity, new-age, magick, or madness, for some people, this sort of ritual, casting out the negative in our lives, can be a transformational event.

So what?  Or are we all just supposed to line up according to our political preferences here? 
 
 

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RE: John Ensign Linked To "Do it Yourself Exorcism... - 7/19/2009 10:57:12 AM   
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I am astonished at how dumb many Americans are not only to believe in God

how can people vote for these whack job crazy nuts

it’s dangerous.




So we can count on your humble servitude to spearhead the movement to oust that Christian Obama from office.

God forbid his agenda to come to fruition.

Oops.

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RE: John Ensign Linked To "Do it Yourself Exorcism... - 7/19/2009 11:01:55 AM   
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It is truly scary that people like Ensign are voted into office: it’s dangerous.




So, would you be suggesting that we ought to bar people from office unless they have the "correct" view of our universe and how it works?  I think there might be a rule about that somewhere.  Probably more than one.

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RE: John Ensign Linked To "Do it Yourself Exorcism... - 7/19/2009 11:28:17 AM   
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People, economists, think the stimulus may not have been enough. Republicans could have been more cooperative and allowed a stronger stimulus bill. But instead they weakened it. A stronger stimulus bill would have given us better employment numbers now. Obama didn’t lie.



No, you lie. A stronger stimulus wouldnt have done shit except increase the deficits. The stimulus package was nothing more than pork for Dem pet projects.

As far as unemployment goes its the business cycle, stupid, exacerbated by policies that business recognizes will hurt their growth.
willbur,am I reading this right....did you actually just call another poster stupid?

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RE: John Ensign Linked To "Do it Yourself Exorcism... - 7/19/2009 12:01:26 PM   
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It is truly scary that people like Ensign are voted into office: it’s dangerous.




So, would you be suggesting that we ought to bar people from office unless they have the "correct" view of our universe and how it works?  I think there might be a rule about that somewhere.  Probably more than one.


Actually it sounds more like we should bar any people from office unless they have 'his' view.

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I am astonished at how dumb many Americans are not only to believe in God which to me is equivalent to believing the earth is flat like we used to 2000 years ago, but more importantly, how can people vote for these whack job crazy nuts? It is truly scary that people like Ensign are voted into office: it’s dangerous.



I wonder who he would pick to replace Obama.

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RE: John Ensign Linked To "Do it Yourself Exorcism... - 7/19/2009 4:53:27 PM   
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I wonder who he would pick to replace Obama.


I myself would pick Joe the Plumber.

He's a quick learner and a "hands-on" kind of guy.  I mean he went from fixing toilets and unclogging drains to giving speeches as a respected expert on the economy.

And he certainly excited the Republican base.

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