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RE: Coyotes - 7/23/2009 2:23:27 PM   
ThunderGodz


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Yes, they are a threat to children and they have been known to hunt in packs and will even attack an Adult if you are in an isolated area such as woods or a unfrequented road.  They have been known to attack people while riding bicycles.

"people out biking/running in remote areas can be "packed" by a group of coyotes. They're fast as well"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354505,00.html  child attacked

http://blog.outdoorzy.com/2008/02/20/coyote-attacks-at-copper-mtn/   child attack with photo

http://www.goupstate.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902141061/1112?Title=Rabid_coyote_attacks_girl_waiting_for_school_bus  RABID coyotoe

If you listen to all those tag lines that so no, then you get what you deserve.

I can keep adding, but what's the point.  each link shows they will attack a child one photo even show the coyote that was taken by the mother b4 it attacked her child.  They shot it later.

So for the fool who said they never attack kids WAKE THE FUP!!!  and they do attack in packs as well especially during breeding time.  And later on when it comes time to teach the pups to hunt.

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RE: Coyotes - 7/23/2009 2:46:15 PM   
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this is my good deed for the day.
Well done.
 
(My IE6 browser could access the third link, but not the first two links.)

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RE: Coyotes - 7/23/2009 3:16:53 PM   
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RE: Coyotes - 7/23/2009 3:29:44 PM   
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The danger is from urban coyotes in Southern California. Rural Pennsylvania is quite a bit different. And LaTigresse is correct--I'd be far more worried about rabid coons than coyotes (which actually rarely contract rabies). Further, coyotes are naturally afraid of humans, and thus avoid them. But a healthy respect for any wild creature is a wise policy--as well as for strange dogs.

Coyote attacks on humans

"Coyote attacks on humans are uncommon and rarely cause serious injuries, due to the relatively small size of the coyote. However, coyote attacks on humans have increased since 1998 in the state of California. Data from USDA Wildlife Services, the California Department of Fish & Game, and other sources show that while 41 attacks occurred during the period of 1988-1997, 48 attacks were verified from 1998 through 2003. The majority of these incidents occurred in Southern California near the suburban-wildland interface.

"Due to an absence of harassment by residents, urban coyotes lose their natural fear of humans, which is further worsened by people intentionally feeding coyotes. In such situations, some coyotes begin to act aggressively toward humans, chasing joggers and bicyclists, confronting people walking their dogs, and stalking small children.[40] Like wolves, non-rabid coyotes usually target small children, mostly under the age of 10, though some adults have been bitten. Some attacks are serious enough to warrant 200 stitches.

"There is currently only one recorded fatal attack on a human. In 1981 in Glendale, California, a coyote attacked toddler Kelly Keen, who despite being rescued by her father, died in surgery due to blood loss and a broken neck."



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RE: Coyotes - 7/23/2009 4:21:21 PM   
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I sent generic dude out to "scent mark" a young peach tree the lunatic buck (deer) was rubbing last fall. In hopes that he would get the hint and leave it alone.

The tree died.......



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RE: Coyotes - 7/23/2009 5:22:21 PM   
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I understand what you are saying, but I gave you facts along with photos...what happens if you are the 1% and the coyote drags your kid off and no one is there to see or help.  Being in a Rural area I would think that would happen more easily as less people would be around to see it happening.  But, I'm not suppling you with statistics.. I gave you facts.  Enough said on my part.  have a good day.

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RE: Coyotes - 7/23/2009 5:43:12 PM   
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Being rural, there are plenty of mice and rabbits here. The more urban the area, the less game. Even in Central Park which is probably one of the most urban areas they populate, there has never been an attack on humans. But if you let your toy poodle off the leash that's fair game.

The coyotes always ignore me but they don't ignore the rabbits in the yard.

They also don't ignore the poor organic turkey farmer on the other side of the mountain. They do ignore the people.

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RE: Coyotes - 7/23/2009 5:48:16 PM   
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Musicmystery

I understand what you are saying, but I gave you facts along with photos...what happens if you are the 1% and the coyote drags your kid off and no one is there to see or help.  Being in a Rural area I would think that would happen more easily as less people would be around to see it happening.  But, I'm not suppling you with statistics.. I gave you facts.  Enough said on my part.  have a good day.



The odds of your kid getting killed in a car accident are far greater, do you protect them from riding in, or being around moving autos? Hell, the odds of them being hurt by another human being are far greater, do you keep them away from all other humans, even yourself?

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RE: Coyotes - 7/23/2009 7:09:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		The fear mongerers here don't seem to realize that the western coyote and the eastern coyote are classified differently. They keep insisting that behavior attributed solely to the western coyote is true of the eastern coyote. Which of course is laughable.

http://www.wildlife.state.nh.us/Wildlife/Wildlife_profiles/profile_eastern_coyote.htm

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RE: Coyotes - 7/23/2009 9:25:31 PM   
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Kid won't sleep for a month....


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RE: Coyotes - 7/23/2009 9:57:23 PM   
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RE: Coyotes - 7/23/2009 10:17:01 PM   
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The danger is from urban coyotes in Southern California. Rural Pennsylvania is quite a bit different.

True. I live in SoCali, and the 'yotes are different here. I rescued my boss' dog (45lbs, not exactly a toy poodle) from a coyote attack the occurred in broad daylight right near the barn, and no, the coyote was not rabid.
As MM and Des said, western and eastern coyotes are different.


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RE: Coyotes - 7/24/2009 4:03:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Coming from the middle of no-where Idaho, in a very rural and isolated area, I know that in the country, we simply don't get coyote attacks on humans. Hell, for that matter, we had a cougar (not me, an actual feline variety) prowling about a mile from my house a couple of years ago. Not a single attack on humans. The wolves, coyotes and cougars come down to the valley for the livestock, which sometimes includes family pets and animals. In the case of the cougar, it was just exploring and didn't do anything, it was followed back up into the Owyhee Mountains and nothing ever came of it. It went back to it's usual prey - deer and other small game.

Yes, if we get to close to wildlife, it can turn around and bite us in the butts. But once those animals get used to humans, they're going to act in their natural, predatory manner. That's what they do. We can take precautions and leave them alone, unless they actually attack. Hmmmm, I wonder how many coyotes are in metro-area Florida?


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RE: Coyotes - 7/24/2009 6:08:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have to agree with the vast majority of answers on this topic. I grew up on a dairy farm and loved listening to the coyote calls while out doing the chores. We never did lose any livestock or pets to them. In fact, in my later teens we even had a coyote for a pet, though she never "quite" became domesticated. I could pick her up and pet her but never without her giving my hand a gentle nip just to say, "Okay, I'm going to suffer this indignity, but you just remember I'm a wild animal."

Coyotes HAVE become a problem in rapidly expanding urban areas where the animals have been pushed out of their habitat. But in rural areas the only coyotes that even "might" be a problem are the sick, aged, or injured, and in my experience even those types of coyotes have not been a problem at least locally.

Whether the coyotes were running in packs or in pairs I never did feel the least bit fearful about them. I could go out hiking either on the country roads or in the hills, day or night, and never had any concern what-so-ever about the possibility of a coyote attack.


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RE: Coyotes - 7/24/2009 6:22:32 AM   
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In fact, cougars have been known to go after the coyotes.

Nature. It's what's for dinner.


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RE: Coyotes - 7/24/2009 8:13:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		In Idaho the cougars take down deer? Here they don't. They're incredibly shy and like every other predator think of rabbit first when it comes time for "what's for dinner".

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RE: Coyotes - 7/24/2009 8:34:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		  What can I say? It's not called the Wild West fer nuttin'..... But yes, the cougars take down deer and small game as well. A very large chunk of Idaho is wilderness and very rugged mountains/high mountain desert. I've noticed a major difference in the wildlife between Idaho and out east here, both in New York when I visited there and here in Ontario. In Idaho, the animals aren't as shy - unless it's hunting season.    Then you can't find a damn deer to save your soul.

Coyotes go mostly for jackrabbits, gophers, small critters like that. The biggest area of concern is where some ranchers are losing the occasional sheep or cow to wolves. But the wolves aren't attacking humans, they're just going for "fast food" - call it the McDonalds of the wild.


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RE: Coyotes - 7/24/2009 8:56:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		DNR continues to tell us that mountain lions aren't east of the Miss,but try telling that to my baby and two fellow hunting pardners thay was with me when we treeded them 5 times over the past several years and continue to see a black panthers cross the road on occasions late at night...Our coyote pack isn't real agressive in fact run and hide when the tractor or us on horse back get near..The newest littler has around 7 as far as we can count they are hunted quiet a bit around here by local guides that book out of state hunters,We let our little pack stay at peace, as long as they are helping get wabbittts, mice and other vermon in check they can have a peaceable home..bounty

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RE: Coyotes - 7/24/2009 1:02:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've seen a mountain lion on a couple of occasions Bounty. Called up the head of the Wildlife Preserve I back on to. He said he gets 30 to 40 calls a year from people who've seen them but until they get a carcass to show the Dept of Environmental Conservation, those folks won't state they are here. And since the mountain lions are so shy and stay away from the road, it's unlikely anyone will hit one and be able to prove they exist.

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RE: Coyotes - 7/24/2009 11:49:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		well, with out reading any of the other posts, I'll add that you might possibly be only hearing one coyote, since theirs "songs" of one individual coyote often sound like a whole pack, the sounds of which travels amazingly, it could be less then a couple of hundred feet from you and sound miles away, or be miles away, and sound like it's just a couple of feet from you. Normally it's just cackling, but when you hear multiple "cackles" from multiple directions( sounding a bit like doggie marco palo) then they're probably got them selves a rabbit, cat, or other poor critter that needs chasing, but I wouldn't worry too much bout them, seeing as if you live in an area that has coyotes, then you probably also have things like owls and hawks, which are a lot more efficient at decimating household pets.. By the by, normally coyotes are EXTREMELY timid, scared absolutely shitless of people, but the more you interact with them, the less they fear people, which increases the very slim chances that one will ever attack you(I just have to mention cause I have seen it happen, it's rare as hell, you're more likely to get attacked by a mouse then a coyote, but I have seen it happen)..

of course with the encroachment of human life on more and more of the once wild lands of america, many coyotes have started to mingle with their domestic counterparts, throwing "normal" behavior and characteristics out the window( for instance, a local neighbor hood pack has been mixed with Rhodesian ridge back.... really)

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