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Worship a Female sub. - 7/26/2009 4:50:29 AM   
slavemick63


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Status: offline 		As a male submissive slave who believes in Female led Society,I look at all Women to be superior to me as a male sub...and that includes Female subs.Anyone else think this ?
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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/26/2009 5:20:37 AM   
CaringandReal


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Status: offline 		A lot of female submissives find it offensive or uncomfortable to be around a male who disrespects our orientation and choices so much that he tries to force us into his own selfish mold with no concern for our feelings or who we truly are. It smacks of a very sexist male habit: objectifying the woman, seeing her as an object to satisfy your narcissistic desires (a female dominant) rather than respecting her enough to see her as she really is (another slave or servant, just like you).

Don't be surprised if someday you run into a female sub with the opposite belief, male supremacy, and each time you call her Mistress, she lowers her eyes and begs this "Lord and Master" to call her by her slave name. If you humbly beg to serve such a woman, she may very well fall on the ground before you, groveling and beging to clean your toes with her filthy unworthy mouth. A clash of ideologies like that would be
something to see, actually!...and maybeto wager upon, as in which person will ultimately "out-sub" the other? :D

Truly, it is can be very insulting and offputting to a female slave or submissive to be treated this way, so don't be surprised if one day a girl tries to give you a dose of your own medicine. A better situation I think, because it would help you to grow and learn some tolerance and care for others' feelings, would be if you are capable of finding a sensible mistress who will not allow her property to exhibit this sort of rude objectifying treatment toward female submissives. A less ideal situation but one in which you might personally feel more comfortable in would be an isolated female supremacy community. I've seen several of these over the years. There are no ideological clashes or opportunties to insult and be rude to other submissives because all the other subs are male. I personally don't think isolationism works in the long run. It was done a lot with religious communes and with gender seperatists, and many people in these small communities or bubbles went bonkers.


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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/26/2009 5:53:08 AM   
DarkSteven


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Status: offline 		If you're owned, you are showing disrespect to your owner by showing a worshipful attitude towards others.

What would you think of a male Dom who said that he expected all women, even Dommes, to serve him because he's a Dom and they're women?

I try to show equal respect to all regardless of gender or orientation - male, female, TS, Dom, sub, switch, straight, gay, bi, poly, mono.  A woman involved with me will get different treatment from the others.  Because she's mine, not because she's a woman.




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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/26/2009 8:41:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CaringandReal

A lot of female submissives find it offensive or uncomfortable to be around a male who disrespects our orientation and choices so much that he tries to force us into his own selfish mold with no concern for our feelings or who we truly are. It smacks of a very sexist male habit: objectifying the woman, seeing her as an object to satisfy your narcissistic desires (a female dominant) rather than respecting her enough to see her as she really is (another slave or servant, just like you).


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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/26/2009 9:22:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: slavemick63

As a male submissive slave who believes in Female led Society,I look at all Women to be superior to me as a male sub...and that includes Female subs.Anyone else think this ?


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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/26/2009 9:24:46 AM   
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I look at all Women to be superior to me as a male sub...and that includes Female subs.Anyone else think this ?
Well obviously I don't feel that way, but I don't see any particular problem with it either. If the female sub is superior to you then you should obviously honour her wishes, even if she wishes you to treat her like the worthless dirty little slut she believes herself to be.


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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/26/2009 10:14:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Arpig
even if she wishes you to treat her like the worthless dirty little slut she believes herself to be.




Do many really believe that about themselves?

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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/26/2009 11:21:48 AM   
vixenmoon


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Status: offline 		The problem with this line of thinking is that it looses ground quite easily.  If I say, no I'm not superior (or inferior) to you, then you would have to either accept that or ignore it, either way contradicting the original theory. 



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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/26/2009 1:24:21 PM   
littlesarbonn


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Status: offline 		Forcing your lifestyle beliefs on other people is rude and arrogant. Some time ago, I was owned by a woman who was married to a male dominant (they weren't dominant or submissive to each other, however). The male dominant had a female slave who often assisted in my household chores because she was, well, submissive. She and I got along greatly. In the beginning it was difficult for me because at the time I had seen all women as deserving of worship, and that slowly morphed itself into a belief that all women deserve respect. I didn't have to serve this other submissive to be respectful towards her, and because of that we got along greatly. One day, I actually ended up being recruited by her master to assist in a kidnapping scene (he needed a second there with his slave). She had no idea I was there, but just knew that she was being kidnapped by her master and some unseen dominant. I didn't have to do anything other than be there and during a short period of time, hold her leather sack she was wrapped in so she didn't fall over. It felt weird, but I realized I was doing this because this was "their" thing, not mine. I could have been a dick and just said, "sorry, I don't believe in that sort of thing" and really, what good would that have done? In the end, she was overly happy with her circumstances and didn't even need to know my part in it; what I think your post misses is the most important part of the equation: It's not always about yourself.

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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/26/2009 1:33:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slavemick63

As a male submissive slave who believes in Female led Society,I look at all Women to be superior to me as a male sub...and that includes Female subs.Anyone else think this ?


This means you insult all dominant men, and the women that serve them. Unless you are of some strange belief that the dominant men are actually serving the submissive women by dominating them the way they want to be dominated. How skewed. Thought processes like the one you describe are the reason that so many male subs get bad reputations and so many females ant stand them. If a woman wants to be a submissive and you actually respected her than youd acknowledge her choice of submission. You wouldnt tell her "well, even though you are a submissive, I still think you are superior to men, which means your actually superior to the men you serve." The submissive women I know would slap you silly for the insult to their Masters.

Its your fantasy that all women are superior, and thats fine. But dont try and force anyone into it.

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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/26/2009 1:34:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally


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ORIGINAL: Arpig
even if she wishes you to treat her like the worthless dirty little slut she believes herself to be.




Do many really believe that about themselves?

You'd be surprised.  Lots of people believe all kinds of things about themselves... people are funny that way.

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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/26/2009 1:39:00 PM   
Racquelle


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Status: offline 		I see no problem with your thinking it and feeling it deeply.  I see no problem with your default setting to be submissive to all females.  I doubt we would see one of those Chip N Dale scenarios where neither can go through the door because they are so busy holding it open for the other.  My guess is, most people would find your public submissiveness to be nothing more than politeness, and very few people really object to that.  If an fsub happens to be walking into a store and you happen to hold the door for her, I doubt she's gonna break your arm trying to stop you.  If you are at a kink event, she would probably just smile, let you know she's a sub, and let it go at that - as I am sure you would.  I don't see you begging to worship the feet of a sub woman at a party if she has informed you she doesn't care for it.

There are people in the lifestyle that have quite differing philosophies, and while I might cheerfully discuss and debate, in the end, I would no more wish to force my "method" on them as I would want them to force theirs on me

So to asnwer your question, yes, you will find many who share your philosophy.  Not me, and not several of those who have posted, but, happy hunting in any case.  (Not all female dominants believe in absolute female supremacy.)

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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/26/2009 1:40:49 PM   
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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/26/2009 1:48:12 PM   
DePubed


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Status: offline 		As a male submissive myself I have come to realize that no two submissives (male or female)are EQUALLY submissive. Thus we are all familiar with the 'Alpha' submissive who trains and controls other submissives. Within a group of submissives, each will be somewhat more submissive than another in that grouping, and be less submissive than another one.
So, if the male submissivewhbo began this thread about how (in his view) ALL females are superior, including female submissives, then he needs either to hang around with as 'Alpha' female submissive, OR see if the Dominant will order a task to be done by several submissives together, and he places a female submisisve 'in charge' of the othersubmisisves (male & female)  for that project .
Finally, I know that as a male submissive I found it difficult (at first) to provide oral service to several female submissives when I was ordered to by the Dominant. The concept didnt make sense to me; yet, once I obeyed I realized that I was obeying and serving the Dominant while servicing her submissives, and that the Dominant was having me to do firstly to humble me and test my obedience, and secondly to reward those female subs for their devotion to her.
So in my opinion there are different facets that have to be considered, and not simply a 'blanket' view that ALL female submissives are superior to a female-worshipping male submissive. That is not the case.

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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/26/2009 4:39:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, to Me superiority is an individual statement, not one to be assigned enmasse to a culture, race, gender, or age.

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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/26/2009 5:21:34 PM   
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Don't be surprised if someday you run into a female sub with the opposite belief, male supremacy, and each time you call her Mistress, she lowers her eyes and begs this "Lord and Master" to call her by her slave name. If you humbly beg to serve such a woman, she may very well fall on the ground before you, groveling and beging to clean your toes with her filthy unworthy mouth. A clash of ideologies like that would be
something to see, actually!...and maybeto wager upon, as in which person will ultimately "out-sub" the other? :D


LOL, what a scene that would be! Club Fem vs. Gor, with both combatants trying to lose. I love it!

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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/26/2009 5:28:11 PM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		ummm... female slaves often scorned male slaves... but.. they also knew that their owner could toss them to a male slave for his use. sort of a checks and balances among the slaves of gor. the man you are putting down today may have you in his bed, you calling him "master" tonight.

would be no win or loss. slaves obey.

did the OP mean sub or slave or all of them?

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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I look at all Women to be superior to me as a male sub...and that includes Female subs.Anyone else think this ?
Well obviously I don't feel that way, but I don't see any particular problem with it either. If the female sub is superior to you then you should obviously honour her wishes, even if she wishes you to treat her like the worthless dirty little slut she believes herself to be.




keep this up Arpig and instead of debating you on the threads i might start secretly stalking you!

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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/26/2009 5:43:06 PM   
DarkSteven


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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

I'll pretend to be a dominant superior female if ya come and clean my house!


lushy actually IS a superior female.  Just not a dominant one...


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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/26/2009 5:51:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

LOL, what a scene that would be! Club Fem vs. Gor, with both combatants trying to lose. I love it!


I think you haven't much of a clue about Goreans. Correct that. I KNOW you don't. <grins> Goreans never sub to anyone.

Be well....

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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/26/2009 6:11:36 PM   
Eivarden


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Status: offline 		There was a time I would have thought the same way. Since I was just generally raised that way.

But now, I base it on each person. Not their gender, or their role.

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