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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/27/2009 4:03:10 PM   
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so its your belief that a dominant male can and will allow himself to be seduced, therefore controlled, by a woman?

Umm Miss Tazzy...all you have to do is look at his profile to find the answer to that


Actually, I'm only speaking from my own perspective in that profile, Irish, and I make it fairly clear that I wish Female Supremacy to be more accepted as a philosophy and way or life, not ordained as the only choice for humanity.

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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/27/2009 4:12:35 PM   
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With many men, this is quite true. With others, I've known it as a more conscious understanding that they are slaves to their male senses, which in turn makes them very pliable objects for Women who know how to seduce.

so its your belief that a dominant male can and will allow himself to be seduced, therefore controlled, by a woman?


In some cases, yes. In others, no. Inversely, there are dominant women who have fallen to men for one reason or another.

I'm not certain where you're going with your question. In any case, I hope it was answered.


i was under the impression that a Dominant was just that... by your definition, you are making it appear that they may not have enough control of themselves to realize when they are being manipulated/used/twisted/wrapped... however you wish to put it.

lol... i love that.. for one reason or another. you assume men fall because of her ability to seduce... yet... LOL.. so not worth it.

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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/27/2009 4:26:21 PM   
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This is whole, objectify the D-type thing female supremacists have really just tends to piss Dommes off.
 
To be fair, a number of those female supremacists are Dommes, BoiJen.  They do quite a competent job of objectifying themselves. 


Yea and their profiles make great reading if you need a good laugh.


Oooh, go on, cmail a link to the looniest you've seen.  I wouldn't mind betting that there's a 'Goddess' somewhere on the lists who's got so inflated with her own guff that she thinks we should be praying to her. 

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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/27/2009 4:34:45 PM   
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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/27/2009 4:53:51 PM   
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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/27/2009 5:12:47 PM   
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lol Mist... thats like saying just because your female, you will be seduced by every man. please... oh please.. tell me there arent still people out there that stupid!

LOL You have only to read these boards to know that yes, there are those out there who are that stupid.




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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/27/2009 5:16:38 PM   
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In some cases, yes. In others, no. Inversely, there are dominant women who have fallen to men for one reason or another.

I'm not certain where you're going with your question. In any case, I hope it was answered.


i was under the impression that a Dominant was just that... by your definition, you are making it appear that they may not have enough control of themselves to realize when they are being manipulated/used/twisted/wrapped... however you wish to put it.


Who said they don't have enough control of themselves? Some of the most enjoyable people are those who allow themselves to be seduced; they give in and open themselves up out of desire. It's not always about hard manipulativeness and predation. Men follow not only from a Woman's ability to seduce, but from their own desire, too, of course, and vice versa. Good seduction makes use of what is there—it doesn't have to twist or "wrap" much at all (or however you want to put it).

As an aside, a dominant isn't "just that" in my opinion; they are human, too.

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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/27/2009 5:27:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		It frustrates me to continually receive cmail from male subs greeting me as Goddess or whatever and offering themselves to me when my profile clearly states 1) I'm a sub 2) I'm not available or looking.

I love people just being polite for politeness' sake, but I don't as a person or a sub feel comfortable being "worshiped" just for being a female. Like was previously stated numerous times already its insulting because it doesn't fit me.


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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/27/2009 6:58:14 PM   
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No.  I know you're not a real Goddess, Lady Hib, because I've seen you crack jokes occasionally.  Hah!  Very little gets past me.  Oh no indeed. 


Huh? You don't think deities have a sense of humor? Then how do you explain the platypus? And the fact that bio-architecturally, our sewer runs right through our playground?

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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/27/2009 8:17:13 PM   
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As a male submissive slave who believes in Female led Society,I look at all Women to be superior to me as a male sub...and that includes Female subs.Anyone else think this ?


No I don't. But tell me please, what led to you forming such beliefs? Do you know how long you've held such beliefs? Do these beliefs influence or affect the way you live on a day to day basis? How?

I'm genuinely curious.

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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/28/2009 6:52:17 AM   
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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/28/2009 7:14:24 AM   
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As a male submissive slave who believes in Female led Society,I look at all Women to be superior to me as a male sub...and that includes Female subs.Anyone else think this ?


No I don't. But tell me please, what led to you forming such beliefs? Do you know how long you've held such beliefs? Do these beliefs influence or affect the way you live on a day to day basis? How?

I'm genuinely curious.


That's a good question... I hope the o/p answers this


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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/28/2009 10:00:05 AM   
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As if it were possible to move the fantasy of female superiority into the real, social and political world.  I fear that you're extracting the urine here, Stella. 


There were no doubt people who thought the same thing about same-sex marriages and BDSM in general.

While there is evidence to suggest the existence of matriarchal societies in ancient history, we know the idea of male superiority was alive socially, theologically and politically for many, many centuries in the past, all mantled under the idea that the creator of the known Universe was a "him". With the sociopolitical world in contemporary Western culture increasingly celebrating the excellence of Women (or in the very least, the insistence of equality), it's not too far out of the realm of possibility that we could gradually become more matrifocal in the coming generations. Granted, this is neither here nor there in terms of "superiority" or not, but the OP did mention the notion of such a civilization as well. I just happen to believe gynocentrism in a social context won't be the constant circus of kink many males envision in fantasy.

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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/28/2009 11:10:45 AM   
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As if it were possible to move the fantasy of female superiority into the real, social and political world.  I fear that you're extracting the urine here, Stella. 


There were no doubt people who thought the same thing about same-sex marriages and BDSM in general.



But same-sex marriages and BDSM are things of the private domain, not of the public.  The general belief in liberal democracies is that what goes on in the private domain is, largely, not the state's business.  Certain moral convictions (some of which predate the Enlightenment, let alone liberal democracies) contradict that public/private distinction - but these convictions were never going to last forever. 

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While there is evidence to suggest the existence of matriarchal societies in ancient history, we know the idea of male superiority was alive socially, theologically and politically for many, many centuries in the past, all mantled under the idea that the creator of the known Universe was a "him". With the sociopolitical world in contemporary Western culture increasingly celebrating the excellence of Women (or in the very least, the insistence of equality) . . . .


Recognising equality is quite different to recognising superiority.  An underpinning idea in liberal democracies is that people are considered morally equal.  Another general belief in liberal democracies is that of individualism - that is, the belief in the importance of the individual over any social group.  Given those tenets, the general course of social change has been towards a whittling away of patriarchy.  But, because of exactly the same tenets, it's unlikely we'll ever see a growing belief in the superiority of women over men.  For most, that would just raise the objection of 'hey, two wrongs don't make a right!".  We're no more likely to end up recognising women as superior to men than we are to end up recognising blacks as superior to whites. 

What we are likely to see is a growing belief in the merits of this or that individual, despite such an individual being a member of a certain group that's hitherto been one against which society has had a prejudice.  Women, as a group, are one example - but only one of many such groups. 


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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/28/2009 12:39:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		"But same-sex marriages and BDSM are things of the private domain, not of the public. "

I would say they are both. Gay / Leather pride parades and haggling over the legitimacy of gay marriages has been part of rigorous public discourse and experience for some time now. Before that, the notions that they would be thus were considered absurd by many who prided themselves on their understanding of Libertarianism and the Constitution. It's perhaps important to note that "Goddess worship" isn't anything new to humans at all. In that light, Female superiority could be considered just another form of belief or recognized lifestyle, and for some indeed, it is.



"Recognizing equality is quite different to recognizing superiority. An underpinning idea in liberal democracies is that people are considered morally equal. Another general belief in liberal democracies is that of individualism - that is, the belief in the importance of the individual over any social group. Given those tenets, the general course of social change has been towards a whittling away of patriarchy. But, because of exactly the same tenets, it's unlikely we'll ever see a growing belief in the superiority of women over men. For most, that would just raise the objection of 'hey, two wrongs don't make a right!' "

I (generally) agree with all of this in theory, but the future isn't ever set. Who is to say the values of our current social structures or the structures we are building today themselves will last last the coming centuries?

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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/28/2009 1:08:17 PM   
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"But same-sex marriages and BDSM are things of the private domain, not of the public. "

I would say they are both. Gay / Leather pride parades and haggling over the legitimacy of gay marriages has been part of rigorous public discourse and experience for some time now. Before that, the notions that they would be thus were considered absurd by many who prided themselves on their understanding of Libertarianism and the Constitution.


When I talk of the private and public domains, I mean that, broadly speaking, the state's having accepted BDSM/ gay marriages etc. is tantamount to the state saying "Right, we've recognised that what you people do with your private and personal lives is not the state's business."  It hasn't condoned e.g. BDSM/gay marriages, it's just recognised, at last, that shouldn't interfere in them.  It's accepted the implications of its own, liberal-democratic principles - just as it had equal rights for ethnic minorities many years before.  It'll accept more implications in years to come. 

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It's perhaps important to note that "Goddess worship" isn't anything new to humans at all. In that light, Female superiority could be considered just another form of belief or recognized lifestyle, and for some indeed, it is.


No argument with that.  I buy into the liberal democratic set of principles too.  (And I, no doubt like most male subs, have waves of that 'Oh, you're a Goddess' feeling.)  People are entitled to their own beliefs and lifestyles and it's only when such beliefs start to impact on others that they become a problem.  When beliefs get institutionalised - as did Christianity, patriarchy, etc, etc . . . then we have potentially the most serious problems. 


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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/28/2009 4:32:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		slavemick, do you realize truely how worthless you just proven yourself to be in the eyes of many female submissives here? Some of them probally would love to beat your ass senseless but I think that was half the point for you posting what you did.

So, yeah.. I hope some submissive throws herself down in great submission to your very feet to a level of submission the defies the twisted world of your understanding. So that she will wait on your every need, want and desire.

If I was a female Domme, I would have half a mind to force a female submissive upon you in such a manner, that would distroy and burst you bubble as part of your training. So that you would understand the true significance of D/s and for you to become free of such brainwashed misguided conceptions.

Just because you are Male Submissive by no means makes you any more special compared to female submissive. You actually disgrace submissive women with such great disrespect.

You are not even deserving of having any gender associated with you whatsoever. Somebody needs to zap your ass with a magic Fairy wand and transform you into PAT from SNL, where you are void of either gender of the human race.

Dude, why don't you simply go and submit yourself to the will of your pet cat and do something more constructive with your time. I'm certain there is some nice cat that would enjoy the pleasure of being served by you. You can pet it, feed it as it willed and hell play with it when it wants to play. You could decorate your living with all kinds of things special for the cat. Toss out your couch for a maze of things the cat could crawl and climb upon.

You are like the poster child for humilation. Were you the kind of boy that got beat up a lot by a 12 year old girl in school and has your barbie lunch box stolen by her? I'm seriously wondering about this...

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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/28/2009 6:30:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		When I talk of the private and public domains, I mean that, broadly speaking, the state's having accepted BDSM/ gay marriages etc. is tantamount to the state saying "Right, we've recognized that what you people do with your private and personal lives is not the state's business." 

But in order to determine that, it becomes the state's business to one degree or another. In essence, protecting the freedom to think or act a certain way becomes social and political, particularly in a democracy or constitutional republic.



"People are entitled to their own beliefs and lifestyles and it's only when such beliefs start to impact on others that they become a problem."

Or when majority intolerance for beliefs impacts negatively upon believers. That said, I'm glad to see you are open to accepting alternative lifestyle concepts that aren't harming you directly.



"When beliefs get institutionalized - as did Christianity, patriarchy, etc, etc . . . then we have potentially the most serious problems."

Agreed, though aside of some micro-social anomalies across the world, I don't believe we have much data on what an gynocentric civilization would actually be like. Regardless, we all should have the choice to live as we wish. Sometimes that requires institutions to protect us from other institutions, ironically.

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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 7/29/2009 1:38:49 PM   
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"People are entitled to their own beliefs and lifestyles and it's only when such beliefs start to impact on others that they become a problem."

Or when majority intolerance for beliefs impacts negatively upon believers. That said, I'm glad to see you are open to accepting alternative lifestyle concepts that aren't harming you directly.


Unfortunately, there certainly would be occasions when I'd join in with a majority intolerance for certain beliefs.  Furthermore, I'd hope that my joining in would indeed impact negatively upon those believers.  That would be true even if the particular belief in question didn't harm me directly.  If I were to see someone campaigning for a social acceptance of female supremacism in the public domain, I'd object to it for the same essential reasons as I would object to someone campaigning for a social acceptance of racial supremacism. 

This is because a belief in female supremacism is, by definition, prejudiced.  It implies that one doesn't need to look for the people who have the right qualities that go to make up the better leaders of society, it only needs to look for its preferred sex.  It's prejudged women to be the holders of those leadership qualities and prejudged men not to be the holders of them. 

To underline the point about the difference between public and private domains:
I think that if you or anyone else wants to treat a woman as superior in your personal relationship, that's your privilege.  The moment you step even partially out of that private realm, you set yourself against the majority, meritocratic view (which I share).   Ums - 'the short people' are a case in point.  They're partly the responsibility of their parents (private) and partly the responsibility of the state (public).  If I were to hear that female supremacists were deliberately raising their female ums to be leaders and their male ums to be followers, I'd campaign against those parents without hesitation - and with quite a lot of vigour, I might add.




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RE: Worship a Female sub. - 8/3/2009 12:30:28 PM   
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"People are entitled to their own beliefs and lifestyles and it's only when such beliefs start to impact on others that they become a problem."

Or when majority intolerance for beliefs impacts negatively upon believers. That said, I'm glad to see you are open to accepting alternative lifestyle concepts that aren't harming you directly.


Unfortunately, there certainly would be occasions when I'd join in with a majority intolerance for certain beliefs.  Furthermore, I'd hope that my joining in would indeed impact negatively upon those believers.  That would be true even if the particular belief in question didn't harm me directly. 


Well that pretty much sums up where I suspected you were on the subject, Peon. While you have an expressed bias against what I believe in, I can accept you have it. That you would counter the philosophy of my beliefs in general with meritocratic thinking is not only apparent, but pretty familiar in general.

I would perhaps reiterate again that belief in Female Supremacy is a lifestyle choice, much like a consensual slavery relationship is. I don't think anyone has suggested aggressive world domination via brainwashing youth in this thread. To get back to the original contention in our exchange a few posts above, I feel the trends of concepts underpinning Female supremacy / extreme pro-Female bias aren't nearly as D.O.A. in the "real world" marketplace of ideas as you first quipped. There is plenty of historical and current-day apologetical and critical reading on the subject to illustrate this well enough. That is pretty much where my argument remains in this particular dialog. Moralizing upon the social good of Female supremacy is an entirely subjective exercise based upon the values of the individual. I think it's clear by now where we as individuals both stand.

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