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RE: religion question - 8/2/2009 12:29:03 PM   
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I did toy with replying Shirley not but thought that was a little bit too inane

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RE: religion question - 8/2/2009 12:30:55 PM   
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Chaos and chance are the opposite of design thus something is either created or it came about by chance.

Interesting logic. Let's see how it holds up in another example:

Black and white are of opposite design and thus something is either black or white.

Strange...I'm seeing a lot of this "orange" thing on CM...

That isn't even a parallel to what I said. I could accept the view that something always existed as an alternative to being created with design or coming about through chance but for me these are the only three options. To take my words and give them an entirely unconnected meaning introducing variables and constants I haven’t mentioned is ludicrous.

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The thing that rules out space monkeys is the fact a monkey has limited intelligence and as such is not capable of interstellar transport thus any monkeys existing elsewhere in the universe would have to have evolved along exactly the same lines as that of earth monkeys which is virtually impossible to the point of not worth being investigated. It surprises me I have to explain this to internet monkeys.
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Only because you don't fully understand monkeys. And, besides, these monkeys are from outer space where they've been involved in scientific study for millenia. We just can see the planet they're from and have yet to understand their communications.

There is that remote possibility that aliens abducted earth monkeys for experiments and as a direct result of that space monkeys exist elsewhere in the universe. You are free to start a thread entitled "Do space monkeys exist?" but for me it isn't one of those top ten questions that every human has asked at some point. Before you came to your conclusions as to the existence of a creator you had to first ask the question, why did you ask this question? For me it was as a direct result as looking around and just wondering, you can pretend this question is on a par to that of the space monkeys one but it isn't. Thus yes a lot of things could exist but we'll often try and look for answers to the questions that may affect us before considering other questions.

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It's not something I would consider as there is a more viable explanation. This is not the case when questioning as to if god exists or not. To say god exists is just as viable as to say god doesn’t exist
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If you want to discard logic and sensibility, then yes. your god is just as likely as my above-mentioned space monkeys, though. And at least my space monkeys don't play games with people's lives.

Everything I've stated could logically be the case, I have not contradicted myself in terms of logic once. As I said previously two people can make logical stances that oppose one another if their reasoning throughout is consistent. I don't understand this need to use the term ‘logic’ as if it were some shield of truth implying we could find the answers to every question correctly if we only had logic to do so with. What we each lack is evidence not logic or a logical line of enquiry.

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So do we have a sound idea that god doesn't exist and what is this idea of yours please do tell I'm all ears.
Here I am wanting to know of this evidence that demonstrates god doesn't exist?
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You won't want to read it all. I'm telling you...
But, if you insist: here it is.

Very scientific.
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In the interest of discussion then technically it doesn't, but if your kink is semantics then technically it does for some dictionaries.
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To be more precise, it only requires self-reflective sentience. Conveniently to our myopic concept of deities, we are the only planetary species to have a well-formed version of that skill. You don't find deity-worshiping evident in creature without the imagination to fabricate one.

If your argument here is that believing in something always makes it untrue then you are obviously wrong.


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RE: religion question - 8/2/2009 12:43:52 PM   
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That isn't even a parallel to what I said. I could accept the view that something always existed as an alternative to being created with design or coming about through chance but for me these are the only three options. To take my words and give them an entirely unconnected meaning introducing variables and constants I haven’t mentioned is ludicrous.

You are dichotomizing the entirety of cosmology into two poles with layman's terms and [o]I'm the one making ludicrous statements?

The expanse of science stretches farther that what you could or could not "accept".

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There is that remote possibility that aliens abducted earth monkeys for experiments and as a direct result of that space monkeys exist elsewhere in the universe. You are free to start a thread entitled "Do space monkeys exist?" but for me it isn't one of those top ten questions that every human has asked at some point.

Argumentum ad populum.


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Before you came to your conclusions as to the existence of a creator you had to first ask the question, why did you ask this question? For me it was as a direct result as looking around and just wondering, you can pretend this question is on a par to that of the space monkeys one but it isn't.

Argumentum ad ignorantium.


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If your argument here is that believing in something always makes it untrue then you are obviously wrong.

So my space monkeys are viable?!


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RE: religion question - 8/2/2009 12:49:09 PM   
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That isn't even a parallel to what I said. I could accept the view that something always existed as an alternative to being created with design or coming about through chance but for me these are the only three options. To take my words and give them an entirely unconnected meaning introducing variables and constants I haven’t mentioned is ludicrous.

You are dichotomizing the entirety of cosmology into two poles with layman's terms and [o]I'm the one making ludicrous statements?

The expanse of science stretches farther that what you could or could not "accept".

Sorry did I need to use more complex terms to fit in with your particular form of elitism? You respond so quick I can barely keep up with your lack of interest in discussion.


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RE: religion question - 8/2/2009 1:31:52 PM   
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This conversation is meaningless until god is described.  Thanks to me I started a new thread so this issue can be resolved then we can come back here.

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RE: religion question - 8/3/2009 12:40:22 AM   
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spiritual not religious, a worshiper of death and chaos (in a cheery kinda way)

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RE: religion question - 8/3/2009 1:09:56 AM   
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thank you vanityfix

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RE: religion question - 8/3/2009 8:48:12 AM   
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This conversation is meaningless until god is described.  Thanks to me I started a new thread so this issue can be resolved then we can come back here.


Meaningless to YOU.  Yes, I saw your new thread.  Apparently, you feel a need to to make everyone bend to your way of thinking and you're not happy until you do.....that's no different than the agressive religious proselytizers (not saying names) that go from door to door shoving their brand of spirituality down throats.  All the OP asked was "what's your religion and how long have you been said religion?" 

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RE: religion question - 8/3/2009 9:12:03 AM   
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Hmm....

I am a Christopher. Through and through. Labels are mere words and are subject to misinterpretation. Placeholders for the next level of understanding. Which from what I understand from this point of view is relatively infinite. The levels never cease.

Is there a big Omnipotent being somewhere in the sky? Who says it has to be in the sky? Why can't it be within us and outside at the same time. Ask an ant if we are omnipotent then get frustrated with how long it takes for an ant to respond.

I always explored and danced around the possibility that 'God' exploded itself and we are in the process of reconstructing 'God'. We are merely blinks in the grand scheme of things. I am as equally important as a rock.

Nothing is absolute-even this particular personal rule of mine.

But this is just me. You are you. And I have things to do.

Thank you for reading.

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RE: religion question - 8/3/2009 6:47:05 PM   
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i'm going to ask this simply out of boredom

what's your religion and how long have you been said religion?


Not having read anything else

I was born Irish Catholic; when I met my late husband, I switched over to Southern Baptist ( which is what he was); now...I could not answer that. I guess you could just say that I kind of drift between belief and cynicism; with neither one winning out over the other.

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RE: religion question - 8/3/2009 6:57:51 PM   
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Lack of evidence is not evidence i.e. there was a lack of evidence that x-rays existed at one point but they always existed.



Lack of evidence IS evidence when billions of people have been searching for that evidence for thousands of years. Something that hasnt even been conceptualized..like x-rays "at one point" isnt at all analogous.

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RE: religion question - 8/3/2009 6:57:57 PM   
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Hell Fire and Brimstone... yes.. i remember it well!

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RE: religion question - 8/3/2009 7:00:02 PM   
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Hell Fire and Brimstone... yes.. i remember it well!



It does have a nice ring to it though, doesn't it? Makes me want to look over my shoulder sometimes lol.

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RE: religion question - 8/3/2009 7:05:30 PM   
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This conversation is meaningless until god is described.  Thanks to me I started a new thread so this issue can be resolved then we can come back here.


An entity that lives outside this universe with at least advanced but human-like intelligence.

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RE: religion question - 8/3/2009 7:09:00 PM   
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This conversation is meaningless until god is described.  Thanks to me I started a new thread so this issue can be resolved then we can come back here.


An entity that lives outside this universe with at least advanced but human-like intelligence.


*scratches head*

Human-like intelligence?




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RE: religion question - 8/3/2009 7:16:57 PM   
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Yes for example,  alot of our own biological networks are very modular, alot of our own networks are very modular as well. God and humans design the same way. 

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RE: religion question - 8/3/2009 8:22:38 PM   
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Yes for example,  alot of our own biological networks are very modular, alot of our own networks are very modular as well. God and humans design the same way. 

I see.
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RE: religion question - 8/3/2009 9:23:28 PM   
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Yes for example,  alot of our own biological networks are very modular, alot of our own networks are very modular as well. God and humans design the same way. 

Young, cute, freckles and proper contextual use of the term "modular" in casual conversation.

50 points.


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RE: religion question - 8/3/2009 10:26:03 PM   
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This conversation is meaningless until god is described.  Thanks to me I started a new thread so this issue can be resolved then we can come back here.


An entity that lives outside this universe with at least advanced but human-like intelligence.



Where exactly is outside the universe -  it has no end.

"What that last step it is a doosey - you might fall off the universe"


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RE: religion question - 8/3/2009 10:28:41 PM   
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This conversation is meaningless until god is described.  Thanks to me I started a new thread so this issue can be resolved then we can come back here.


An entity that lives outside this universe with at least advanced but human-like intelligence.


*scratches head*

Human-like intelligence?





Compared to pigeon-like intelligence
http://www.bofunk.com/video/8964/worlds_dumbest_animal.html


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