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LotusSong -> Views on the "Age Question" (7/28/2009 9:57:03 AM)

Does a Big Age Difference Doom a Relationship?

The average age difference between married couples is 3.5 years. How big is too big when it comes to an age gap when dating? Get a male and female perspective on the issue.

Diana Vilibert and Abraham Lloyd
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He Said: It's my experience that maturity and age are two things that rarely comingle. Age does matter in relationships, and anyone that tells you otherwise is either in high school and has a crush on one of their teachers, is a Miley Cyrus fan, or worships Hugh Hefner. Age is the vehicle by which we experience common milestones in life. These milestones give us the ability to relate to one another. We all experience a first kiss, first partner, first sex, marriage, home, career, child, divorce, etc. If you're at the end of this list, what on Earth could you have in common with someone near the beginning? There is a reason that most couples today do not have a significant age difference. Consider that over the last one hundred years, the average age difference between married couples is 3.5 years. Coincidence? No. Call it what it is — a trend.

When my divorce was final, I went out of my way to date women of different ages ranging anywhere from twenty-two to fifty-three years old. I found that with younger women, I felt attracted but bored. With older women it was just the opposite — I was interested but did not feel attracted to them. With each woman I dated, things ended as quickly as they began. In hindsight, the only thing I was clear on regarding the women I described was that I wanted to date and was initially attracted to them. Their age should have been a warning to me that we may have nothing in common.

This experience taught me two things. The first is that age is not just a number. It is a fairly accurate measurement that describes where you have been and what is left in front of you. It tells you what you may have in common with someone. The second is to know what you are attracted to, understand what you want in a partner and a relationship, and confirm that these things are in agreement before you choose to spend time with someone.

Now, I stay away from age extremes, and in those rare moments I meet someone extremely younger or older that I'm into, I look for common interests before committing to a date. This works for me because I recognize that age matters. It is simply naïve to think otherwise.

She Said: I'll be honest here — I like 'em old. Save for my first boyfriend, who was just two years older than me, the men I've dated and clicked with have generally been anywhere from six to twenty years my senior. Now a twenty year age difference may not be the norm or "average" (neither is six, for that matter), but I hardly think it's a strong predictor for the success of a relationship (after all, nearly half of those couples with the "ideal" age difference between them get divorced), and it amuses me how shocked people continue to be about an age discrepancy. Do I think it's a great idea for 16-year-old Miley Cyrus to have dated a 20-year-old? Not necessarily, but I'll leave it up to the two people in the relationship to decided whether or not it works for them.

Age itself isn't a factor in compatibility —it's elements like maturity and life experience, which tend to correlate with age, that can make or break a relationship's long-term potential. But so can future goals, background, culture, family, career, personality, and sexual chemistry. I tend to think that the combination of those factors (maturity and life experience included) takes precedence over whether or not your significant other gets your clever Beverly Hillbillies reference. And while we're at it, can we retire lingo like "cougar" and "cradle-robber" (or grave-robber, as I've been called) — it condescends both parties in question and is on par with sticking a cutesy label on someone who dates outside of their own race or background, in my opinion.

Date and let date — unless you're currently involved in a triad relationship with the May-December couple you're commenting on, leave it to them to form opinions on how their age gap works for them. Age and maturity often go hand in hand, but you can certainly have one without the other.

All that said, I do have one (admittedly hypocritical) rule when it comes to dating much older men. To weed out the creepsters, I always ask if they generally date women as young as me. If they make a habit of trolling for women at the local college campus, I move on. I want to be the exception, not the rule.

More from MSN Lifestyle Site Search: For additional content on age gaps, click here.

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Abraham Lloyd is a divorced dad, closet geek, and aspiring author dating in New York City. He believes all men should own at least five jackets, know how to dance, and pay on a first date. You can tweet him at twitter.com/abrahamlloyd.

Diana Vilibert is Marie Claire's associate Web editor, a chronic oversharer, closet romantic, and blind-date addict. You can e-stalk her at diana-vilibert.com.





olena -> RE: Views on the "Age Question" (7/28/2009 10:12:34 AM)

My late husband/master was thirty-three years my senior. Age difference is an obstacle of significant size. It can be overcome but it takes acknowledgment from both people and deal with the realities that do come into play.

My Master and I both worked very hard in our wonderful relationship in dealing with the obstacles that this age gap brought in. For example, he would order me out of the house to socialize with people my age. I would not complain or act poorly when at some party I was the youngest by well over a decade and the topics were of no interest to me.

I see people just blow off age difference when in pursuit of someone and I see fools. I have known many women married into large age difference relationships where no effort to address this issue was ever done and most ended up miserable and divorced sooner then later.

It can be done and done wonderfully but both people need to go into it with open eyes and expect issues and to deal with them and not just blow them off with clichés like age is just a number.




LillyoftheVally -> RE: Views on the "Age Question" (7/28/2009 10:30:21 AM)

The biggest issue I have come across in terms of age, other people. The way people (women especially) looked at me when I was with my ex (16 years my senior) was appaling, the things they said even worse, I was quite clearly a money grabbing whore.




olena -> RE: Views on the "Age Question" (7/28/2009 10:37:11 AM)

Oh that is so true! Women were the worse about it even after sixteen years of marriage women and his family still needed to portray me as some whore and even went after our daughter with that garbage.




JonnieBoy -> RE: Views on the "Age Question" (7/28/2009 10:42:30 AM)

Yes, (some) peoples attitudes stink, who are they to judge? (perhaps the standards by which they judge/perceive that we should live are based on the sort of bullshit ideology that encourages them to go 'round being judgmental and bitter rather than enjoying the small fragments of happiness in others that such shallowness prohibits them from even seeing).

Live and let live, if you ask me.

Pirate




MusicalBoredom -> RE: Views on the "Age Question" (7/28/2009 10:51:03 AM)

I have dated people from all over the age spectrum.  I married twice in my same group.  I tend to be attracted to particular things and age doesn't really matter to me as long as the mutual attraction is there.  My last relationship was with someone 25 years younger than me.  We had a lot of things that worked well together and some things that didn't. 

The age difference did present unique challenges.  I didn't want to steal her youth from her so I would watch both of our kids while she went out with friends a few times a week.  Socially, we worked well around people that knew either or both of us but got terrible looks from others at time.  The biggest hurdles were around personal beliefs.  A lot of our beliefs develop over time and are personal.  You can't just share them with someone and then make a joint decisions where there are differing beliefs.  In the end, some of those were too big to peacefully co-exist in.  We moved on (and into separate places) and remained friends.  No drama, just joint decisions.

I live in two different states and am seeing someone in each of them (yest they both know about each other).  That's what dating is I think.  One is my age and the other is 18 years younger.  I have feelings for both of them but tend to view the older as a more serious dating relationship.  I'm not sure that age is defining difference between the two however.  I think the primary distinction is in world/personal/romantic outlook.  I never want to be in the role of coaching someone through life.




LaTigresse -> RE: Views on the "Age Question" (7/28/2009 10:54:12 AM)

Whether it matters or not depends entirely on the relationship and the people in it.




popeye1250 -> RE: Views on the "Age Question" (7/28/2009 11:29:21 AM)

I don't think age really matters that much if two people are attracted to each other.
I've always been attracted to "older" women as well as "younger" women. And there seems to be a lot of people going out with each other these days with a much greater age differance than three and a half years.
Look at all the Hollywood "actors" who date much younger women. That said I do think that it helps if you *have something in common with each other*, activities, the arts, crafts, etc.




hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: Views on the "Age Question" (7/28/2009 12:03:53 PM)

My longest lasting relationship - 7 years - was with someone who was 13 1/2 years my senior.  My shortest was with someone who was the exact same age as myself, and who's birthday was within 6 months of my own.  Currently - since I ditched the most recent loser (2 years my junior Physically - 20 years my junior Emotionally) - I've been approached by various long standing male aquaintances that run the age gammut from 15 years older than myself to 20 years younger than myself, but with a common theme of being on the same level of emotional maturity as myself as far as their life experiences and how much shit they've been through so far.  Personally, I'm leaning towards keeping all of them on tabs, and simply keeping myself a lil harem for a while.  After all, even the 21 and 23 year old have things in common with me - we were already Friends before either of them asked me out.  (And either of 'em has a damn sight more stamina - and common sense - than the 41 yr old jerk I just got rid of!)  Same can be said for the 52 year old, the 39 year old, the 47 year old, and the 34 year old.
 
Does age Matter?  It can.  Either for better or worse.  When I've specifically gone Looking for a guy in my life, I've Looked for someone at least somewhat older than myself - but within 10 to 12 years of my physical age.  They were - in the past - more stable emotionally and financially, and less likely to view me as a quick road to being able to sit on their rump as a "kept" man, which seemed to be a common problem with the ones who were within a year or two of my own age - and they definately weren't looking for a mommy to take care of them, like the ones quite a bit younger than myself.  Unfortunately, there are drawbacks - more likelihood that they don't have the physical wherewithall to keep up with me, that our tastes for adventure and/or adrenaline will be highly different, that sort of thing.  But you end up taking the good with the bad, when push comes to shove, and deciding which direction your priorities happen to lie within.




IrishMist -> RE: Views on the "Age Question" (7/28/2009 12:10:55 PM)

Does it doom a relationship?
No

My late husband was 23 years older than I was. When I moved in with him, I was 18, he was 41...with three kids who he had custody of...the oldest of which was 2 months shy of 16 at that time.
(If ever there was a recipe for doom, that was it )

I also went to school with this guy who at 17, was dating a woman who was 48. His whole family was like that...all the men were with women who were considerably older than them...to this day, that guy I went to school with is still with that woman.




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Views on the "Age Question" (7/28/2009 12:40:14 PM)

Yup, there is definably scorn involved when significant  age gaps come up. All though for men it's seen as cool and way to go man when he bags a younger girl, and now there's show's celebrating women being cougars, older women going after younger men.

My brother was 20 something an his gf  was 18 and he had to put up with all the jokes about craddle robbing, and their age difference wasn't even that greate.

quote:

ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally

The biggest issue I have come across in terms of age, other people. The way people (women especially) looked at me when I was with my ex (16 years my senior) was appaling, the things they said even worse, I was quite clearly a money grabbing whore.




hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: Views on the "Age Question" (7/28/2009 12:46:32 PM)

(damn... does this mean I get to start thinking of myself as a Cougar because 3 of the guys I'm currently toying with are in their early 20s, and I'm in my 40s?  Shit... they're the ones doing the persuing, not me...... )




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Views on the "Age Question" (7/28/2009 12:55:08 PM)

My personal preference is to stay within my own generation. So essentially women born from 1965-1980. Note, it's just a preference. It's not a rule set in stone.




popeye1250 -> RE: Views on the "Age Question" (7/28/2009 1:53:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

My personal preference is to stay within my own generation. So essentially women born from 1965-1980. Note, it's just a preference. It's not a rule set in stone.


slaveboy, I bet it isn't! :0 )
Question, what is a "cougar?" And, I can't be the only one with a "thing" for Helen Mirren.




Apocalypso -> RE: Views on the "Age Question" (7/28/2009 2:07:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom
All though for men it's seen as cool and way to go man when he bags a younger girl, and now there's show's celebrating women being cougars, older women going after younger men.
I don't see that as any more positive.  I strongly resent the idea that the any relationship I have with a younger girl is only about superficiality.  "Fresh meat" and "showing off to the lads").  As opposed to because, y'know, I actually like them. (I'm not saying that's your view, just how that's how it's often presented by the media).




VanityFix -> RE: Views on the "Age Question" (7/28/2009 2:16:01 PM)

i have huge preferance for older, i find someone younger a major turnoff.
when i pursue a relationship its with someone i can relate to, so yes i can probly more often relate to someone close to my own age but if it was someone a fair bit older or someone younger and i relate and get along with well i would simply ignore that.
i see it same as social, financial or w/e backround things might be very different but if i can find simularities then who cares.





Musicmystery -> RE: Views on the "Age Question" (7/28/2009 3:00:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Whether it matters or not depends entirely on the relationship and the people in it.


I agree. And it think it's different for M/s relationship than for vanilla dating (with the original article addresses).

Back in the days, I dated women 16 years older and younger. More recently I've had slaves from 23 to 58. The difference among them is far more related to who than how old. Sure, it's a factor, but not the factor people sometimes make it.





slaveboyforyou -> RE: Views on the "Age Question" (7/28/2009 3:09:38 PM)

quote:

slaveboy, I bet it isn't! :0 )
Question, what is a "cougar?" And, I can't be the only one with a "thing" for Helen Mirren.


A cougar is an older woman who prefers the company of younger men; think Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher.

Helen Mirren definitely takes care of herself, but I'd be a little weirded out dating someone her age.....she's the same age as my mom. [:D]




atropa7 -> RE: Views on the "Age Question" (7/28/2009 3:21:56 PM)

I think age gaps are more important the younger a person is, and that the half of your age + 7rule is a good guideline. Personally, I don't want kids or to be in a relationship with a parent, and the older a person is, the more likely they are to have kids.That, and there's a balance between maturity/immaturity and similar generational values that needs to be struck. 




LotusSong -> RE: Views on the "Age Question" (7/28/2009 3:38:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: olena

Oh that is so true! Women were the worse about it even after sixteen years of marriage women and his family still needed to portray me as some whore and even went after our daughter with that garbage.


I was having lunch with my slave who is 9 years my senior and the waitress thought he was my father....




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