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Loki45 -> RE: Is This What America Voted For In Voting Obama As President? (8/2/2009 8:43:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lorr47 quote: You do realize that wikipedia is only as good as the people writing the information there and it is not fact based it is opinion based. Sure they try to clean it up now and then but it is written by people. And if you think there are 37 other countries in the world with better healthcare than the US, go live and die there because that is what will happen. This is hilarious. One republican/conservative cites a wikipedia article as primary authority; gets the same article in the back of his head and then tries to "impeach his own witness." Another republican/conservative who apparently doesn't pay attention to the goings on then in effect criticizes his co conspirator in crime with a horrible pick of primary material. Do you two also have a song and dance routine? Sanity meet Maverick481. Oh, I do appreciate your telling me that people wrote the article. Here I thought a gerbil wrote it. Maverick, start walking. Sanity, chew gum. This is a genuine "twofer." [sm=LMAO.gif]

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Is This What America Voted For In Voting Obama As President? (8/2/2009 8:43:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Maverick481 quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity This is Panda's second post today in which he worried openly that people may be listening to radio stations he disapproves of, and I doubt he has any reason to believe they were listening to the radio at all. All I'm saying is that, if he really thinks radio is so dangerous he might be a lot happier in a place like Venezuela where opposition voices are being shut down - especially on TV and radio. Whether I approve or disapprove of a radio station isn't the issue, and i don't worry one way or the other about what people I've never met listen to on the radio. It has nothing to do with freedom of speech - a radio station has the right to broadcast whatever crazy bullshit they want to broadcast. Nor did I say anything about radio wackoes being dangerous.The point I'm making in those posts is, if someone chooses to listen to radio stations that spread lies and lunatic conspiracy theories, they shouldn't be surprised if other people think they sound uninformed or mentally unsound when they repeat the lies and the crazy fantasies as fact. Or if people laugh at them instead of taking them seriously. And because you don't agree with the views presented they are wackos and full of lies and lunatic conspiracy theories and they sound mentally unsound or uninformed. Maybe you should look in a mirror. Maybe your the one that fits those descriptions. A lie is a lie is a lie, whether I agree with it or not. Guys like you just can't seem to grasp that. You believe things because you want to believe them, and worry about whether they're true later. Or usually (as is apparently the case with you), not even then. Most of the "facts" I've seen you post so far have been pure bullshit, and if you don't want people criticizing you for posting bullshit, then don't... post... bullshit. And if for some reason you just can't help posting bullshit, at least have the maturity to stop whining when people point out that... it's... bullshit.

MarsBonfire -> RE: Is This What America Voted For In Voting Obama As President? (8/2/2009 10:13:35 PM)
Just a minor point, way back on the early pages of this thread, there was a (slightly warped) discussion about why Health Care Reform was being rushed through... One of the major reasons is pretty simple: the timing. Think about it. In a few short months, we begin the campaigns for the congressional mid-terms. Once that gets going, the chances of getting any kind of major legislation though is going to be crippled, since none of the incumbants wants to do anything during their bid for re-election that could be construed as "controversial". (And with the GOP already lying their asses off to try and scare people over getting something that directly benefits them, you can only imagine what kind of vile propaganda they'll be spewing in THAT situation...) After that, there will be Congressional recesses, and eventually a lame duck year for OBama as he appraoches his eventual re-election himself. So, if we want to save millions of lives that will otherwise die from GOP neglect, it has to be done in the first year of this administration. Thus, the all out offensive (and I DO mean "offensive") by Republicans to scare the crap out of older Americans. But then, they are good at this sort of thing: remember when, if we didn't invade Iraq at the end of the week, the"smoking gun was going to come in the form of a mushroom cloud!"?: Or how the torture going on in Abu Ghraib was "Just the pranks of a few bad apples?" I just cannot believe that the American people are so stupid as to listen to a party about the details of their health care, who's LAST GREAT IDEA was to dismantle social security in favor of gambling in the fucking stock market! (Can you imagine what would have happened to the elderly if we had done that, and then the GOP continued on their merry way, plowing their 747 economic policies into the WTC skyscrapers of people's social saftey net? We'd need to dig mass graves out at the city landfills just to dispose of the millions of starved to death senior citizens that "Newt Security" would have murdered.) (See? I can practice GOP style scare tactics too!)

Loki45 -> RE: Is This What America Voted For In Voting Obama As President? (8/3/2009 2:22:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire Just a minor point, way back on the early pages of this thread, there was a (slightly warped) discussion about why Health Care Reform was being rushed through... One of the major reasons is pretty simple: the timing. Think about it. In a few short months, we begin the campaigns for the congressional mid-terms. Once that gets going, the chances of getting any kind of major legislation though is going to be crippled, since none of the incumbants wants to do anything during their bid for re-election that could be construed as "controversial". (And with the GOP already lying their asses off to try and scare people over getting something that directly benefits them, you can only imagine what kind of vile propaganda they'll be spewing in THAT situation...) After that, there will be Congressional recesses, and eventually a lame duck year for OBama as he appraoches his eventual re-election himself. So, if we want to save millions of lives that will otherwise die from GOP neglect, it has to be done in the first year of this administration. Thus, the all out offensive (and I DO mean "offensive") by Republicans to scare the crap out of older Americans. But then, they are good at this sort of thing: remember when, if we didn't invade Iraq at the end of the week, the"smoking gun was going to come in the form of a mushroom cloud!"?: Or how the torture going on in Abu Ghraib was "Just the pranks of a few bad apples?" I just cannot believe that the American people are so stupid as to listen to a party about the details of their health care, who's LAST GREAT IDEA was to dismantle social security in favor of gambling in the fucking stock market! (Can you imagine what would have happened to the elderly if we had done that, and then the GOP continued on their merry way, plowing their 747 economic policies into the WTC skyscrapers of people's social saftey net? We'd need to dig mass graves out at the city landfills just to dispose of the millions of starved to death senior citizens that "Newt Security" would have murdered.) (See? I can practice GOP style scare tactics too!) [sm=doh.gif]

subrob1967 -> RE: Is This What America Voted For In Voting Obama As President? (8/3/2009 3:17:48 AM)
Once again we see the left whining about the GOP stealing and using plays out of their play book, as if the Dems and the AARP never used scare tactics on Seniors in the past [8\|]

Sanity -> RE: Is This What America Voted For In Voting Obama As President? (8/3/2009 3:45:30 AM)
I cited Wiki to establish what "Single Payer" is - pretty safe. Then YOU cited Wiki to try to establish what every health care system in the world is like. It's like night and day. Wiki is okay for some things, basic things, but questionable for others. Say I use Wiki to establish what a marshmallow is, I glance at a Wiki article and it has a good basic description of a marshmallow and so I use that Wiki article. But attached to that article is an article about camping in the wilds of Borneo, complete with descriptions of every plant species there, and what's edible and what isn't. I'm not responsible if you use that reference, eat a poisonous plant in Borneo, and then die. quote: ORIGINAL: Lorr47 quote: You do realize that wikipedia is only as good as the people writing the information there and it is not fact based it is opinion based. Sure they try to clean it up now and then but it is written by people. And if you think there are 37 other countries in the world with better healthcare than the US, go live and die there because that is what will happen. This is hilarious. One republican/conservative cites a wikipedia article as primary authority; gets the same article in the back of his head and then tries to "impeach his own witness." Another republican/conservative who apparently doesn't pay attention to the goings on then in effect criticizes his co conspirator in crime with a horrible pick of primary material. Do you two also have a song and dance routine? Sanity meet Maverick481. Oh, I do appreciate your telling me that people wrote the article. Here I thought a gerbil wrote it. Maverick, start walking. Sanity, chew gum. This is a genuine "twofer."

Sanity -> RE: Is This What America Voted For In Voting Obama As President? (8/3/2009 3:53:09 AM)
Small business owners aren't exactly "the poor". quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda Then you'd better check again, and come back when you know what you're talking about. The majority of jobs in this country (apprxomately 75%) are created by small businesses, according US Small Business Administration.

Sanity -> RE: Is This What America Voted For In Voting Obama As President? (8/3/2009 4:22:31 AM)
Care to share with us a link to whatever source you're using, Panda? Is it a PBS study, by any chance... And does say anything about conceit? quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda Loony? Considering that people whose primary news source is PBS are consistently found to be better informed than those who get their news from any other source, it calls into question your definition of "loony."

Sanity -> RE: Is This What America Voted For In Voting Obama As President? (8/3/2009 6:35:16 AM)
Oh-oh. Here we go. Those damned Republicans are making Obama look bad... AGAIN. http://www.breitbart.tv/uncovered-video-obama-explains-how-his-health-care-plan-will-eliminate-private-insurance/

DomKen -> RE: Is This What America Voted For In Voting Obama As President? (8/3/2009 7:04:12 AM)
Such a careful editing job. Show me the various speeches and interviews in full.

Sanity -> RE: Is This What America Voted For In Voting Obama As President? (8/3/2009 7:47:34 AM)
What... Do you really believe that maybe, just maybe, at some point, right after the video is cut, Obama says, "Oh and by the way, I didn't just say what I just said." ? The video couldn't be more clear, its Obama in his own words. *You don't believe the Great Obama???* quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Such a careful editing job. Show me the various speeches and interviews in full.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Is This What America Voted For In Voting Obama As President? (8/3/2009 7:58:03 AM)
Is This What America Voted For In Voting Obama As President? Too vague - let's be a bit more specific: Guantanamo - ACTIVE & OPEN Unemployment - 25 year high and increasing. Stimulus - Followed Bush plan and added another $787 Billion Iraq - Exiting....Someday. Afghanistan - Escalating with US personnel dying in record numbers. Growth Industries - Foreclosure speculation and gold buying scams. (Be careful sending gold by mail to the scammers: GOLD SCAM ) Existing Business - Failures given more money, under Fascist model of government intervention. Profit and growth motive eliminated in consideration of additional regulation, taxes, and bureaucratic scrutiny. Factory Workers - Please take your parting gifts with you to the employment office. Best news is, unemployment may be extended again. Middle Class - You have a promotion pending; because this Administration doesn't lie, so this "President Barack Obama's treasury secretary said Sunday he cannot rule out higher taxes to help tame an exploding budget deficit, and his chief economic adviser would not dismiss raising them on middle-class Americans as part of a health care overhaul." Middle Class Promotion must mean you are now in the upper class of evil-doers. The cause of all things bad to the nanny seekers. Are these results what you voted for? BTW - 100% of each and every one of these issues is being controlled by one party, the Democrats. No rhetoric to the contrary can change the fact that the minority party has zero impact on any policy. There are not even enough votes for a filibuster. ANY action, or non-action such as passing the last nail in the US economy's coffin-Health Care, is controlled by the Democratic party. There is no 'better' party being sited. But the apologists should realize how stupid it appears when they blame the Republicans, whether for delay or change, that pragmatically has zero influence in the outcome. I know it must be difficult to comprehend, especially with Bush Administration policies ongoing concerning military occupation and economic stimulus, but Bush is NOT the President, and there is a filibuster plurality of Democrats occupying both Houses of Congress.

Brain -> RE: Is This What America Voted For In Voting Obama As President? (8/3/2009 8:36:18 AM)
Who's That Black Man in my White House? - Spadecaller This video characterizes the new yet frightening voice of the Republican Party. Since the election of our first black President, Barack Hussein Obama, the Republican party has gravitated to the fringes of the party’s extreme. A shocking 58 percent of Republicans polled doubt Barack Obama is an American born citizen. Since Obama’a entry into the White House there has been a rise of hate crimes, hate speech from mainstream politicians, threats of secession by state officials, open threats of revolution, and numerous threats against the President’s life. The young presidency has encountered reactionary forces far beyond anything yet experience in American history. In contrast to the astounding fact that a black man succeeded in garnering the support of America’s voting majority, racial tensions have risen to a critical mass and the opposition party is willingly supporting the ideologies traditionally associated with the KKK and White Supremacists. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VTvxn95vaw

Brain -> RE: Is This What America Voted For In Voting Obama As President? (8/3/2009 8:44:04 AM)
he needs more time to fix this mess

Mercnbeth -> RE: Is This What America Voted For In Voting Obama As President? (8/3/2009 8:51:27 AM)
quote: the White House there has been a rise of hate crimes, hate speech from mainstream politicians, Much of it coming from the White House. Profits - BAD! Success - EVIL! Law enforcement - Acting "Stupid"! quote: ORIGINAL: Brain he needs more time to fix this mess I've heard this illegitimate excuse for too long. Under the current politic make up of Congress-Why?

mrbob726 -> RE: Is This What America Voted For In Voting Obama As President? (8/3/2009 9:28:29 AM)
You have no idea which party I "actually liked" - I'm an independant. O and his Domme Ms Pelosi are taking us down the path to total bankruptcy. I had hoped he would be better than that -

lronitulstahp -> RE: Is This What America Voted For In Voting Obama As President? (8/3/2009 9:41:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brain Who's That Black Man in my White House? - Spadecaller This video characterizes the new yet frightening voice of the Republican Party. Since the election of our first black President, Barack Hussein Obama, the Republican party has gravitated to the fringes of the party’s extreme. A shocking 58 percent of Republicans polled doubt Barack Obama is an American born citizen. Since Obama’a entry into the White House there has been a rise of hate crimes, hate speech from mainstream politicians, threats of secession by state officials, open threats of revolution, and numerous threats against the President’s life. The young presidency has encountered reactionary forces far beyond anything yet experience in American history. In contrast to the astounding fact that a black man succeeded in garnering the support of America’s voting majority, racial tensions have risen to a critical mass and the opposition party is willingly supporting the ideologies traditionally associated with the KKK and White Supremacists. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VTvxn95vaw This video isn't representative of the Republican Party. It's irresponsible to say this: quote: the opposition party is willingly supporting the ideologies traditionally associated with the KKK and White Supremacists No party should be held responsible for the odd behaviors of a few kooks that happen to identify with them. It's like saying my asshole uncle and i have to hold the same beliefs because we're related.[8\|] Reactionary bullshit is spread around enough on both sides. i see very little merit in crying "Racist" at every person that doesn't agree with Pres.Obama's policies....no more merit than the "birther's" rhetoric, anyway. It's all smoke and mirrors. And while we're at each other's throats about rediculous party lines, America, as a whole, suffers.

slutslave4u -> RE: Is This What America Voted For In Voting Obama As President? (8/3/2009 10:41:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mrbob726 O and his Domme Ms Pelosi are taking us down the path to total bankruptcy. I had hoped he would be better than that - Did you honestly expect anything else? I'm actually hearing this from alot of folks that did vote for him, and all of which are now saying how sorry they are for doing so too!

rulemylife -> RE: Is This What America Voted For In Voting Obama As President? (8/3/2009 11:35:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Maverick481 You do realize that wikipedia is only as good as the people writing the information there and it is not fact based it is opinion based. Sure they try to clean it up now and then but it is written by people. And if you think there are 37 other countries in the world with better healthcare than the US, go live and die there because that is what will happen. You do realize that the entries there are heavily cited and no more or less reliable than any other encyclopedia? While American healthcare is perhaps the most expensive on the planet, we aren't getting as much as we should for our investment, according to a new study by the Commonwealth Fund. The report notes that while the U.S. spends more than twice as much on each person compared with most other industrialized nations, we're in last place when it comes to preventing deaths through appropriate medical care. http://www.fiercehealthcare.com/story/study-quality-u-s-healthcare-lags-despite-high-spending/2008-09-19

rulemylife -> RE: Is This What America Voted For In Voting Obama As President? (8/3/2009 11:51:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mrbob726 You have no idea which party I "actually liked" - I'm an independant. O and his Domme Ms Pelosi are taking us down the path to total bankruptcy. I had hoped he would be better than that - Since the Republicans lost power it never ceases to amaze me how many Independents we have on here, who claim to not support either party but post rhetoric straight from Republican talking points.

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