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ORIGINAL: Sanity


What...

Do you really believe that maybe, just maybe, at some point, right after the video is cut, Obama says, "Oh and by the way, I didn't just say what I just said."

?

The video couldn't be more clear, its Obama in his own words.

You don't believe the Great Obama???

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Such a careful editing job. Show me the various speeches and interviews in full.

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Then you'd better check again, and come back when you know what you're talking about. The majority of jobs in this country (apprxomately 75%) are created by small businesses, according US Small Business Administration.

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ORIGINAL: Maverick481
You libs are funny!


At least we tend to know what the fuck we're talking about before we start spouting off.

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Do you noot read that 77% of Americans DO NOT WANT socialized healthcare! I don't!

We have the best healthcare in the world and lower mortality rates for most cancers and other diseases than the rest of the world, but hey. Let's just throw that out the window!

Why do people in other countries not want us to pass this? Because they come here to get good healthcare.

Beyond your claim that youdon't want socialized health care every other claim in this post is wrong.

That's the trouble with getting all your information from talk radio shows.

You need to quit talking out of your butt. You don't know where I get my information. I do know what I see this man doing to this country and it is a shame that more Americans don't see it. He is repeating history from the past and so are the liberal sheep in this country.

I'm the  one how needs to quit talking out of my ass? You're the one who comes in here spouting off absolute bullshit and passing it off as fact. Don't preach to me about "talking out of my ass" until you post something that's not a flat-out lie.

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You do realize that wikipedia is only as good as the people writing the information there and it is not fact based it is opinion based. Sure they try to clean it up now and then but it is written by people.

And if you think there are 37 other countries in the world with better healthcare than the US, go live and die there because that is what will happen.

This is hilarious.  One republican/conservative cites a wikipedia article as primary authority; gets the same article in the back of his head and then tries to "impeach his own witness." Another republican/conservative who apparently doesn't pay attention to the goings on then in effect criticizes his co conspirator in crime with a horrible pick of primary material.  Do you two also  have a song and dance routine? Sanity meet Maverick481.

Oh, I do appreciate your telling me that people wrote the article.  Here I thought a gerbil wrote it.   Maverick, start walking.   Sanity, chew gum.  This is a genuine "twofer."

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This is Panda's second post today in which he worried openly that people may be listening to radio stations he disapproves of, and I doubt he has any reason to believe they were listening to the radio at all. All I'm saying is that, if he really thinks radio is so dangerous he might be a lot happier in a place like Venezuela where opposition voices are being shut down - especially on TV and radio.

Whether I approve or disapprove of a radio station isn't the issue, and i don't worry one way or the other about what people I've never met listen to on the radio.  It has nothing to do with freedom of speech - a radio station has the right to broadcast whatever crazy bullshit they want to broadcast. Nor did I say anything about radio wackoes being dangerous.The point I'm making in those posts is, if someone chooses to listen to radio stations that spread lies and lunatic conspiracy theories, they shouldn't be surprised if other people think they sound uninformed or mentally unsound when they repeat the lies and the crazy fantasies as fact. Or if people laugh at them instead of taking them seriously.

And because you don't agree with the views presented they are wackos and full of lies and lunatic conspiracy theories and they sound mentally unsound or uninformed.

Maybe you should look in a mirror. Maybe your the one that fits those descriptions.

A lie is a lie is a lie, whether I agree with it or not. Guys like you just can't seem to grasp that. You believe things because you want to believe them, and worry about whether they're true later. Or usually (as is apparently the case with you), not even then. Most of the "facts" I've seen you post so far have been pure bullshit, and if you don't want people criticizing you for posting bullshit, then don't... post... bullshit. And if for some reason you just can't help posting bullshit, at least have the maturity to stop whining when people point out that... it's... bullshit.

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Just a minor point, way back on the early pages of this thread, there was a (slightly warped) discussion about why Health Care Reform was being rushed through... One of the major reasons is pretty simple: the timing.

Think about it. In a few short months, we begin the campaigns for the congressional mid-terms. Once that gets going, the chances of getting any kind of major legislation though is going to be crippled, since none of the incumbants wants to do anything during their bid for re-election that could be construed as "controversial". (And with the GOP already lying their asses off to try and scare people over getting something that directly benefits them, you can only imagine what kind of vile propaganda they'll be spewing in THAT situation...)

After that, there will be Congressional recesses, and eventually a lame duck year for OBama as he appraoches his eventual re-election himself. So, if we want to save millions of lives that will otherwise die from GOP neglect, it has to be done in the first year of this administration.

Thus, the all out offensive (and I DO mean "offensive") by Republicans to scare the crap out of older Americans. But then, they are good at this sort of thing: remember when, if we didn't invade Iraq at the end of the week, the"smoking gun was going to come in the form of a mushroom cloud!"?: Or how the torture going on in Abu Ghraib was "Just the pranks of a few bad apples?"

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I just cannot believe that the American people are so stupid as to listen to a party about the details of their health care, who's LAST GREAT IDEA was to dismantle social security in favor of gambling in the fucking stock market! (Can you imagine what would have happened to the elderly if we had done that, and then the GOP continued on their merry way, plowing their 747 economic policies into the WTC skyscrapers of people's social saftey net? We'd need to dig mass graves out at the city landfills just to dispose of the millions of starved to death senior citizens that "Newt Security" would have murdered.)

(See? I can practice GOP style scare tactics too!)

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Oh-oh. Here we go.

Those damned Republicans are making Obama look bad...

AGAIN.

http://www.breitbart.tv/uncovered-video-obama-explains-how-his-health-care-plan-will-eliminate-private-insurance/

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Your the one that is full of bullshit and I tire of you. You are not worth my time because you choose to keep your mind closed to only the things that are fed to you by the media and not by what is happening in reality.

I see quotes in here about how we are rated by the WHO and they quit doing rating 9 years ago.

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

But your kind still treat that as gospel.

I'll leave you to your delusions. And I'll stay vigilant. You are no longer worth my time. I could rebutt you but you are not worth the effort. And I know you will claim to have won and chased me away but it isn't a victory for you but a who cares about you for me!

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Actually every poll I've seen has a sizable majority of Americans in favor of either single payer or a public option program. Which would be mighty strange if most americans liked their insurance. The fact is most americans are now, or will sooon be forced into, what the industry calls consumer driven insurance where you get some small amount of money to pay for checkups and the like along with a very high deductible catstrophic insurance plan. IOW even the insured will soon pay for virtually all of their medical needs out of pocket and they'll still be paying an insurance premium too.

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Hasn't anyone noticed that alot of people are acting like spoiled children lately?  They don't like their president.  They didn't vote for him, so as a result, they don't like him, don't like what he has to say, refuses to listen to what he is saying (whether you voted him in or not, its time to suck it up folks...he's here, in place and operating.), you choose instead to listen to people who want to misguide you into believing the president lied about the reasons for going into iraq and has somehow lessened your civil liberties, What rubbish!!!  And worse??  All you people who truly believe this ought to know that the people telling you these things know damn good and well that they aren't true.  (well, except maybe for Olbermann.  That poor guy is so afraid of facts, he's afraid one of his lies might lead to his losing this job too!). 

I am not for one second saying you have to like the president.  I didn't like everything Bush did,  At all.  I was amazed at the American peoples intellgience when he was re-elected for his second term.  But far from the mentality some of you people have allowed yourselves to get to with this new president, that nothing is his fault, everything he touches will turn to gold.  It seems like people are either all to the left or all to the right. If you're going to fight, kick, scream and listen to everyone who has an agenda to support the president in re-creating Europe in the US, my hope is, he wont win.  And we'll lose the look of the sheep we're so afraid of looking like, when we start taking up with the people ranting things off the top of their head.  Eventually, (once you're actually following them) you'll find out the truth there too.  Or haven't you figured out yet that the grass is always greener on the other side?

I'm not here to argue this point, or any point, anymore.  Its beginning to seem pretty dedondant to me.  But damn.

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this is the part that confuses me.... first, it had to pass out of committee... which i understand that was held up because some of the Blue Dogs wanted more added to the bill, they felt it didnt go far enough.. so... that has now happened.

now what? unless im mistaken, it goes before the full house and senate for voting. its not as simple as saying... vote... there are steps to this process.

How a Bill becomes a Law

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[Then you'd better check again, and come back when you know what you're talking about. The majority of jobs in this country (apprxomately 75%) are created by small businesses, according US Small Business Administration.

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Such a careful editing job. Show me the various speeches and interviews in full.

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this is the part that confuses me.... first, it had to pass out of committee... which i understand that was held up because some of the Blue Dogs wanted more added to the bill, they felt it didnt go far enough.. so... that has now happened.

now what? unless im mistaken, it goes before the full house and senate for voting. its not as simple as saying... vote... there are steps to this process.

How a Bill becomes a Law

The Blue Dogs didnt think it went far enough? Uhhh,. no. the Blue Dogs in general are conservative Democrats that were elected in traditionally GOP districts as part of Rahmbo's strategy to take Congress. When it look liked it might backfire because they wont walk in lock step with Obama, the pressure was put on...play ball or you won't be up for reelection. Chicago politics at its finest.

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this is the part that confuses me.... first, it had to pass out of committee... which i understand that was held up because some of the Blue Dogs wanted more added to the bill, they felt it didnt go far enough.. so... that has now happened.

now what? unless im mistaken, it goes before the full house and senate for voting. its not as simple as saying... vote... there are steps to this process.

How a Bill becomes a Law

The Blue Dogs didnt think it went far enough? Uhhh,. no. the Blue Dogs in general are conservative Democrats that were elected in traditionally GOP districts as part of Rahmbo's strategy to take Congress. When it look liked it might backfire because they wont walk in lock step with Obama, the pressure was put on...play ball or you won't be up for reelection. Chicago politics at its finest.

after a long session in committee, four BD's finally had enough of what they thought they could hold out for and approved the bill for full review. it could not have passed out of committee unless they had agreed. many bills have died in committee... or have people forgotten how laws are made?