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RE: Obama as "The Joker" - 8/13/2009 6:36:35 AM   
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you mean that repubs/cons/rightwingers wouldnt stoop to such measures?
I dont have that much faith in any party supporters, left or right. But we shall see what we shall see.



We are talking about this man, and these series of incidents.

And yes, we shall see what we shall see.

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RE: Obama as "The Joker" - 8/13/2009 6:53:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		People are angry at his adminstration for a number of things but the Health Care Package - HR 3200 has turned the tables on the Obama Administration.

People do not want the government connected to there bank accounts, mandating 5 year appoints for seniors to discuss end of life care, and the higher taxes that comes with this bill.

This is not the change they hoped for and I think the silent majority is starting to speak up.

Nobody spoke up or complained when the Bush posters labeling him as a WAR MONGER started showing up or bumper stickers and comments calling Bush a Fascist or ever worse, comparing him to Hitler. Now the shoe is on the other foot.


To quote the movie: The People of the United States are mad as hell and they are not going to take any more.


Simple as that. I really hope that the real change we get is the voting out of career politicians who have been in office for decades and have been slowly but surely stripping away our rights.

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RE: Obama as "The Joker" - 8/13/2009 7:25:44 AM   
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Nobody spoke up or complained when the Bush posters labeling him as a WAR MONGER started showing up or bumper stickers and comments calling Bush a Fascist or ever worse, comparing him to Hitler. Now the shoe is on the other foot.


You have to be kidding me right??? you might wanna search through some of the posts here about the war and bush and left wing terrorists ..there's a squillion  arguments.

As for voting out career politicians and changing the system? I don't see that happening,EVER. you cant even agree on what the truth is about health care reform, let alone who is gonna be voted out and who is gonna be voted as the most trusted servants of the people.



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RE: Obama as "The Joker" - 8/13/2009 8:25:03 AM   
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Nobody spoke up or complained when the Bush posters labeling him as a WAR MONGER started showing up or bumper stickers and comments calling Bush a Fascist or ever worse, comparing him to Hitler. Now the shoe is on the other foot.


You have to be kidding me right??? you might wanna search through some of the posts here about the war and bush and left wing terrorists ..there's a squillion  arguments.

As for voting out career politicians and changing the system? I don't see that happening,EVER. you cant even agree on what the truth is about health care reform, let alone who is gonna be voted out and who is gonna be voted as the most trusted servants of the people.



Analysis: Press Largely Ignored Incendiary Rhetoric at Bush Protest

News outlets that are focusing on the incendiary rhetoric of conservatives outside President Obama's town hall meeting Tuesday ignored the incendiary rhetoric -- and even violence -- of liberals outside an appearance by former President George W. Bush in 2002.

...

Although reporters from numerous national news organizations were traveling with Bush and witnessed the protest, none reported that protesters were shrieking at Republican donors epithets like "Slut!" "Whore!" and "Fascists!"

Frank Dulcich, president and CEO of Pacific Seafood Group, had a cup of liquid thrown into his face, and then was surrounded by a group of menacing protesters, including several who wore masks. Donald Tykeson, 75, who had multiple sclerosis and was confined to a wheelchair, was blocked by a thug who threatened him.

Protesters slashed the tires of several state patrol cruisers and leapt onto an occupied police car, slamming the hood and blocking the windshield with placards. A female police officer was knocked to the street by advancing protesters, badly injuring her wrist.

The angry protest grew so violent that the Secret Service was forced to take the highly unusual step of using a backup route for Bush's motorcade because the primary route had been compromised by protesters, one of whom pounded his fist on the president's moving limousine.

All the while, angry demonstrators brandished signs with incendiary rhetoric, such as "9/11 - YOU LET IT HAPPEN, SHRUB," and "BUSH: BASTARD CHILD OF THE SUPREME COURT." One sign read: "IMPEACH THE COURT-APPOINTED JUNTA AND THE FASCIST, EGOMANIACAL, BLOOD-SWILLING BEAST!"

Yet none of these signs were cited in the national media's coverage of the event. By contrast, the press focused extensively on over-the-top signs held by Obama critics at the president's town hall event held Tuesday in New Hampshire.


What little is going on now is a pittance compared to what Bush and the right has had to put up with over the last 8 years (at least).

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RE: Obama as "The Joker" - 8/13/2009 8:49:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		ermm did I say that there wasnt any complaints and trouble ? anywhere? I actually mentioned  on this board there are squillions of arguments..I didnt provide links because frankly  I have better things to do with my time.
Neither side has the edge on ignorance and idiocy or lies and misdirection.
America is eating itself alive from the inside, and too many are  blaming the other side and not looking to stop the craziness.


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RE: Obama as "The Joker" - 8/13/2009 9:14:27 AM   
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ermm did I say that there wasnt any complaints and trouble ? anywhere? I actually mentioned  on this board there are squillions of arguments..I didnt provide links because frankly  I have better things to do with my time.
Neither side has the edge on ignorance and idiocy or lies and misdirection.
America is eating itself alive from the inside, and too many are  blaming the other side and not looking to stop the craziness.


SoCalAB was primarily talking about the differences between the media's reaction to hate protest activities not being much covered about Bush, compared to the massive reaction of the media to the relatively mild criticism of Obama's administration.

He wasn't talking so much about us loonies here on CM and our views on the subject.

And while I will agree that both sides certainly have their share of idiots, I disagree with your statement that neither side has an "edge". I think that the left "has the edge on ignorance and idiocy or lies and misdirection", and has had for the last few decades.

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RE: Obama as "The Joker" - 8/13/2009 10:11:07 AM   
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Analysis: Press Largely Ignored Incendiary Rhetoric at Bush Protest

As usual FNC lies to advance their agenda
press accounts of violence at the event in question:
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/08/23/elec02.bush.protests/
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0823-01.htm (AP story)

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RE: Obama as "The Joker" - 8/13/2009 10:16:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
Analysis: Press Largely Ignored Incendiary Rhetoric at Bush Protest

As usual FNC lies to advance their agenda
press accounts of violence at the event in question:
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/08/23/elec02.bush.protests/
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0823-01.htm (AP story)

Many more


I read both of your reports.

The only signs that were mentioned in either report was "Drop Bush, Not Bombs."

The second mention sthat 5 were arrested, but nothing about all the hatred that was on display.

In fact here one example of how the second report characterizes the protests:

Many of the protesters criticized a new forest initiative announced earlier in the day by Bush that would make it easier for timber companies to cut wood from fire-prone national forests.

Then it goes on to quote some relatively tame protesters about other issues.

None of the outrageous stuff that happened were mentioned in either report.

Go fish.

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RE: Obama as "The Joker" - 8/13/2009 10:21:11 AM   
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Protesters at one point pushed down a barricade and a female police officer who was standing behind it, Groepper said. The officer sprained or broke her wrist falling down

Which is the only injury claimed to have occured by the FNC story. So that would be the most outrageous thing that happened unless you care to claim that name calling is worse than physical injury.

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RE: Obama as "The Joker" - 8/13/2009 10:45:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

from the AP story:
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Protesters at one point pushed down a barricade and a female police officer who was standing behind it, Groepper said. The officer sprained or broke her wrist falling down

Which is the only injury claimed to have occured by the FNC story. So that would be the most outrageous thing that happened unless you care to claim that name calling is worse than physical injury.

As I pointed out in my posts, the "hatred" was extreme by the Bush protesters, yet nary a word nor an opinion piece about that, or how "unAmerican" it was.

Compare and contrast that lack of caring about how extreme the anti-Bush protesters were, against the hyperventilation of the media over a few people raising their voices at townhall meetings.

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RE: Obama as "The Joker" - 8/13/2009 11:42:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		So where have anti Obama protestors attacked and injured police? It's amazing that you seem to gloss over that. Anti Obama protestors destroy police cars? Where did that happen? Liquids being thrown in people faces. Attempting through violence and intimidation to stop an event from happening?

" The man held a large photo of Bush that had been doctored to show a gun barrel pressed against his temple.

"BUSH: WANTED, DEAD OR ALIVE," read the placard, which had an X over the word "ALIVE.""

Incidently that was an Anti America Pro OBL/Taliban sign, and not mentioned on either of your posted web sites.



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RE: Obama as "The Joker" - 8/13/2009 11:49:18 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

from the AP story:
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Protesters at one point pushed down a barricade and a female police officer who was standing behind it, Groepper said. The officer sprained or broke her wrist falling down

Which is the only injury claimed to have occured by the FNC story. So that would be the most outrageous thing that happened unless you care to claim that name calling is worse than physical injury.

As I pointed out in my posts, the "hatred" was extreme by the Bush protesters, yet nary a word nor an opinion piece about that, or how "unAmerican" it was.

Compare and contrast that lack of caring about how extreme the anti-Bush protesters were, against the hyperventilation of the media over a few people raising their voices at townhall meetings.

Firm

Since it has gone quite a ways past a few people raising their voices now and it is well established that the violent events in Portland in 2002 were covered I have to wonder what you think you're accomplishing?

Perhaps you're under the mistaken belief that top members of the Democratic party were organizers of the violence at that single event in 2002? Otherwise Dick Armey's organization of the violence at the town halls makes this into a quite different situation than in 2002.

Or perhaps you're trying to cover up the fact that virtually every point raised by the mobs now are lies they have swallowed hook line and sinker told by FNC and talk radio, i.e. living wills = forced euthenasia nad all the birther nonsense. Which differs from the 2002 protests which were about Bush invading Iraq without good cause and changing forestry rules to allow clear cutting of old growth forests?

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RE: Obama as "The Joker" - 8/18/2009 9:53:10 AM   
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"The Joker" artist no longer anonymous:

Obama Joker artist unmasked: A fellow Chicagoan
August 17, 2009 | 6:29 pm

When cryptic posters portraying President Obama as the Joker from "Batman" began popping up around Los Angeles and other cities, the question many asked was, Who is behind the image?

Was it an ultra-conservative grassroots group or a disgruntled street artist going against the grain?

Nope, it turns out, just a 20-year-old college student from Chicago.

Bored during his winter school break, Firas Alkhateeb, a senior history major at the University of Illinois, crafted the picture of Obama with the recognizable clown makeup using Adobe's Photoshop software.

...

Alkhateeb says he wasn't actively trying to cover his tracks, but he did want to lay low. He initially had concerns about ...

... connecting his name with anything critical of the president -- especially living in Chicago, where people are "very, very liberal," he said.

"After Obama was elected, you had all of these people who basically saw him as the second coming of Christ," Alkhateeb said. "From my perspective, there wasn't much substance to him."


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RE: Obama as "The Joker" - 8/18/2009 11:00:59 AM   
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That poor guy would do good to get out of Chicago and lay real low for a while, and according to the article he seems to be aware of that.


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RE: Obama as "The Joker" - 8/18/2009 11:02:38 AM   
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RE: Obama as "The Joker" - 8/18/2009 2:28:17 PM   
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Analysis: Press Largely Ignored Incendiary Rhetoric at Bush Protest

News outlets that are focusing on the incendiary rhetoric of conservatives outside President Obama's town hall meeting Tuesday ignored the incendiary rhetoric -- and even violence -- of liberals outside an appearance by former President George W. Bush in 2002.

...

Although reporters from numerous national news organizations were traveling with Bush and witnessed the protest, none reported that protesters were shrieking at Republican donors epithets like "Slut!" "Whore!" and "Fascists!"

Frank Dulcich, president and CEO of Pacific Seafood Group, had a cup of liquid thrown into his face, and then was surrounded by a group of menacing protesters, including several who wore masks. Donald Tykeson, 75, who had multiple sclerosis and was confined to a wheelchair, was blocked by a thug who threatened him.

Protesters slashed the tires of several state patrol cruisers and leapt onto an occupied police car, slamming the hood and blocking the windshield with placards. A female police officer was knocked to the street by advancing protesters, badly injuring her wrist.

The angry protest grew so violent that the Secret Service was forced to take the highly unusual step of using a backup route for Bush's motorcade because the primary route had been compromised by protesters, one of whom pounded his fist on the president's moving limousine.

All the while, angry demonstrators brandished signs with incendiary rhetoric, such as "9/11 - YOU LET IT HAPPEN, SHRUB," and "BUSH: BASTARD CHILD OF THE SUPREME COURT." One sign read: "IMPEACH THE COURT-APPOINTED JUNTA AND THE FASCIST, EGOMANIACAL, BLOOD-SWILLING BEAST!"

Yet none of these signs were cited in the national media's coverage of the event. By contrast, the press focused extensively on over-the-top signs held by Obama critics at the president's town hall event held Tuesday in New Hampshire.


What little is going on now is a pittance compared to what Bush and the right has had to put up with over the last 8 years (at least).

Firm


Oh, you poor dears.

I had no idea! 

No wonder you are all so upset, getting bullied by those awful liberals is just so horrible.

Interesting though that this occurred in 2002 and now it is being used as some sort of twisted justification for the disruptions at town hall meetings.







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RE: Obama as "The Joker" - 8/18/2009 2:58:16 PM   
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The People of the United States are mad



If they believe that these few months of Obama even comes close in comparison to the eight years of Bush then I'm inclined to agree, the Americans would be a nation of complete nutters.

However from what I can see the only ones who are, so to speak, off their trolleys appear to be the ones who still can't come to terms with the fact that he came to power.


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RE: Obama as "The Joker" - 8/18/2009 3:39:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		RML, Where do you see anyone using it for a justification? Americans need no justification to petition thier government. None at all. Its our RIGHT.

The example from 2002 was just to show how the Left's current complaints are just silly fluff, and the Left in 02 was far more violent, threatening, and insulting. And it was directed, organized, political astro turf. The current outrage by the left is fake. And it was demonstrating the difference in the media coverage of the 2 events.

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RE: Obama as "The Joker" - 8/18/2009 8:44:48 PM   
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However from what I can see the only ones who are, so to speak, off their trolleys appear to be the ones who still can't come to terms with the fact that he came to power.




Quite a bit like those who spent eight years + babbling about Bush II not really winning the election, wouldn't you say, Stella?



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RE: Obama as "The Joker" - 8/19/2009 8:08:52 AM   
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RML, Where do you see anyone using it for a justification? Americans need no justification to petition thier government. None at all. Its our RIGHT.

The example from 2002 was just to show how the Left's current complaints are just silly fluff, and the Left in 02 was far more violent, threatening, and insulting. And it was directed, organized, political astro turf. The current outrage by the left is fake. And it was demonstrating the difference in the media coverage of the 2 events.


Yes it is.

But it is not anyone's right to cause disruptions that drown out the voices of others trying to express their right to voice their opinions.

Which is what is happening in an organized effort by those who oppose health care reform strictly because of what it would do to their bottom line.

I posted before about Rick Scott who has poured $5 million of his own money into organizing these protests.

Do you think he is just truly a patriot who opposes this on ideological grounds or do you think the fact he owns a chain of walk-in clinics has something to do with it. 

Not to mention the additional $20 million that has been contributed to his organization by donors he refuses to name.  Any guesses on who they might be?

But let's ask ourselves why we are even comparing what went on 7 years ago.  Does this have any relevance to the current situation other than a childish game of "you did it so we can do it too"?






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