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beargonewild -> RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches (8/5/2009 6:14:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp A few questions come to mind: Does revenge for a wrongdoing justify criminal activity? - If revenge takes the form of an illegal activity the answer is no. How much different is this from sanctioned public stoning or disfigurement of "unfaithful" women in some Islamic-led countries? - either way I feel it is morally and ethically wrong though regarding Islam, I honestly can't judge that being wrong, being a non Islamic person. Why is it again people feel that homosexuals would be the ones to ruin the sanctity of marriage? - because some people feel we homosexuals are an abbreviation of nature and therefore should not exist - some people are afraid that we homosexuals will "infect" others with our gayness and try to convert them. - some people some people believe we are not normal and they fear what they do not understand - some people honestly believe that the sanctity of marriage is reserved only for heterosexual people with the purpose of creating offspring biologically yet any woman who is fertile is capable of bearing offspring regardless if she is straight or lesbian. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fellow posters, please share your thoughts.....

KneelforAnne -> RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches (8/5/2009 6:27:05 PM)
~FR~ Does revenge for a wrongdoing justify criminal activity? I was going to say no, and mean it. But then I remembered the movie with Sally Field where her daughter is raped and killed and Sally kills the murderer because they couldn't convict him. I have to say that criminal activity is justified in that sense. For something like cheating, I'm going to say no. But I'm not sure how or where the line is drawn. It may make me a hypocrite. Sorry. How much different is this from sanctioned public stoning or disfigurement of "unfaithful" women in some Islamic-led countries? Other than the sanctioned bit, not a whole lot. Perhaps this isn't coming from the mindset of hating all men and keeping all men in line, whereas I feel public stoning and disfigurement are misogynistic in nature, rather than righteous indignation at her "unfaithful" behavior. Why is it again people feel that homosexuals would be the ones to ruin the sanctity of marriage? Because homosexual marriage is a rallying point for conservatives, so that all those "twue Christians" can... never mind this isn't on the Religion and Politics forum....

Daddysredhead -> RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches (8/5/2009 6:37:41 PM)
misc. laws on the books in some states There are some states in which the paramour can be sued civilly by the spouse who was cheated on (alienation of marital affection). North Carolina was one of these states, and I know that as of a few years ago, the law was still being enforced. that is all Red

Gwynvyd -> RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches (8/5/2009 7:26:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loki45 quote: ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd Two wrongs do not make a right. However some sick twisted part of me loves the idea of some cheating prick get what he deserves. So could I correctly assume that if the story said that it was the wife who was cheating and that the guy beat the shit out of her or (as another poster put it) glued her tits to her chest or her pussy shut....you'd be ok with that as well? No.. and I really am not ok with what they did... as I said "Two wrongs do not make a right. However some sick twisted part of me loves the idea" Hell I think and fantasize about all manner of sick, wrong and twisted shit. It does not mean that I would condone that sort of behavior or things in the real world. Our darker selves that we keep in check ( ID) would love to see some retribution. However we are too civilaized cough for the most point to follow through. (thank heavens) ~ Water boarding not withstanding. I acknowledge my darker side, I just do not let it out to play often. Gwyn

BoiJen -> RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches (8/5/2009 8:58:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah You do know there is no complete solvent for super glue that is skin safe right? They would have to use an alcohol based solvent or possibly a oil based on as long as his genitles did not react to them and then when it was a solven as it was going to get they would have to pull it up this will remove skin and much of the hair from his belly. The removal of the rest of the superglue depending on how absorbed it got into the pores could result in a SKIN GRAPH being required. This would cause SERIOUS pain to remove and possible scar his penis for life. If I threw a cup of acid in a girls face would you not think I should be in Jail? The visual effect will be the same in the end his penis will be deformed and since you are not a guy I guess it is possible you are not aware of the kind of shame a man would feel being afraid to ever engage in sexual activities for fear of what his partner will think about his Penis. While I am not commenting on the moral or legal right or wrong of the situation, I would say that these women accomplished EXACTLY what they were set out to do if you're correct here about him having shame should his penis be mutilated through this situation, Steel. I mean, look at their actions, that would be the point now wouldn't it? I'm hoping this man learned a lesson in this that one must beware who they betray and than anyone can be capable of anything. I hope that the women have learned a lesson that vigilante justice is not ok in the eyes of American law. The actuality of it though is that these women will likely get probation for a couple of years and the case will not likely see trial. It would be incredibly hard to find an unbiased jury. Most men will react because they will sympathize with adulterer here. Most women will sympathize with the wronged women in this case. To top it off, the way this reporters have stated it, the man consented to being tied up. Just sayin... In Leather, boi

TheHeretic -> RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches (8/5/2009 9:36:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Excuse me, but is this a bdsm site anymore??? WTF??? This guy's wife and mistress tied him up for what had to be an amazing humiliation/bondage/CBT scene, and people are calling it awful, and comparing it to the crimes against humanity of women in the parts of the Islamic world??? I say again, WTF??? There is a bottle of nail polish remover in the hall cupboard. Let's do this thing! Was this a joke or sarcasm? This is nowhere near me being sarcastic, LadyP, and as for a joke, no. Not in any sense that I didn't mean what I said. What you were likely picking up on in my post was my mockery for anyone who would compare this individual act to the institutionalized crimes commited against women in some parts of the world. Even if the women here had Bobbitized him, it would still be an incident, outside the laws and customs of society. To compare even that to the horrors that are inflicted on women with the complete acceptance of society, and passed as official sentences in courts of law... I have utter disdain for that position, which I'm not so good at concealing. To my way of viewing things, this incident took place inside a big grey area of implied consent that he created by his own choices and conduct.

NihilusZero -> RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches (8/5/2009 9:45:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic To my way of viewing things, this incident took place inside a big grey area of implied consent that he created by his own choices and conduct. That's as idiotic an argument as suggesting that women who dress in mini-skirts and low-cut tops in public are asking to be sexually assaulted.

Loki45 -> RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches (8/6/2009 4:39:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic To my way of viewing things, this incident took place inside a big grey area of implied consent that he created by his own choices and conduct. That's as idiotic an argument as suggesting that women who dress in mini-skirts and low-cut tops in public are asking to be sexually assaulted. [sm=goodpost.gif][sm=yourock.gif]

TheHeretic -> RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches (8/6/2009 6:43:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic To my way of viewing things, this incident took place inside a big grey area of implied consent that he created by his own choices and conduct. That's as idiotic an argument as suggesting that women who dress in mini-skirts and low-cut tops in public are asking to be sexually assaulted. Nonsense. What personal relationship does a rapist have with a woman who chooses to wear a sexy outfit? What lies has she whispered in his ear? What worthless promises have been made? Your analogy is ignorant and foolish.

beargonewild -> RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches (8/6/2009 7:00:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic To my way of viewing things, this incident took place inside a big grey area of implied consent that he created by his own choices and conduct. Sadly I still fail to see that. The only thing I see is the man consenting to a bit of kinky sex games by agreeing to be blindfolded and tied to the bed, nothing more. Where things went wrong was his wife had conspired with his girlfriends to teach him a lesson over the infidelity. What has me wondering if the roles were reversed, if the charges would've been the same or less severe? or more severe?

FirmhandKY -> RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches (8/6/2009 8:36:25 AM)
FR: Woman Reportedly Met Man Through Craigslist As for his alleged attackers, the newspaper said Ziemann was charged with being a party to false imprisonment, fourth-degree sexual assault and misdemeanor battery. Sewell and Belliveau were charged with being a party to false imprisonment. Ziemann told police she met the victim online through a Craigslist ad and subsequently fell in love with him and had given him about $3,000, the Post-Crescent reported, adding that when Hood-Davis contacted her to alert her to the mulitple affairs, she said that the man used the women for money. and Felony charges filed Ziemann and two of the other three women — Wendy L. Sewell, 44, of Kaukauna, and Michelle M. Belliveau, 43, of Neenah — made initial appearances Friday in Calumet County Court. Bail for each was set at $200 cash, and included orders to have no contact with the victim ... Ziemann and Hood-Davis hatched the plan to humiliate the man after she was told he was dating five women other than his wife.

LadyPact -> RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches (8/6/2009 10:37:53 AM)
It wouldn't surprise Me a bit if he agreed to be tied up and blindfolded. The guy probably was kinky in the first place and that's exactly why he was meeting women off of Craig's list. I've been thinking a bit about the comment that I made yesterday. I'd like to pose it back to the folks interested in the thread. Had the women tied him up (for argument's sake, let's say that was consensual when it started out) and then rather than physically assaulted him, but scared the crap out of him (some form of mind fuck such as making him think they would glue his penis but not actually following through) how would people feel about that?

LaTigresse -> RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches (8/6/2009 10:58:49 AM)
I would think......"Excellent!"..then again I am mean like that.

LillyoftheVally -> RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches (8/6/2009 12:02:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loki45 quote: ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd Two wrongs do not make a right. However some sick twisted part of me loves the idea of some cheating prick get what he deserves. So could I correctly assume that if the story said that it was the wife who was cheating and that the guy beat the shit out of her or (as another poster put it) glued her tits to her chest or her pussy shut....you'd be ok with that as well? Oh so that is comparable? gluing an appendage beating the shit out of someone, weighing it up. Indeed a better comparison would be gluing a womans boobs to her, either way its pretty nasty and yeah sexual assault but does no one understand it? I mean really?

Loki45 -> RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches (8/6/2009 12:51:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally quote: ORIGINAL: Loki45 quote: ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd Two wrongs do not make a right. However some sick twisted part of me loves the idea of some cheating prick get what he deserves. So could I correctly assume that if the story said that it was the wife who was cheating and that the guy beat the shit out of her or (as another poster put it) glued her tits to her chest or her pussy shut....you'd be ok with that as well? Oh so that is comparable? gluing an appendage beating the shit out of someone, weighing it up. Indeed a better comparison would be gluing a womans boobs to her, either way its pretty nasty and yeah sexual assault but does no one understand it? I mean really? Please re-read my statement. I covered the gluing of the tits in it. Notice the word or followed by mentioning of the gluing of tits. And in this case, 'beating the shit out of her' wouldn't be comparable. However in many cases I've heard of, women are allowed to hit, scratch and beat on their significant others, but let that happen in reverse and all hell breaks loose. Society's inequality toward such behavior can be evidenced by the TV shows where a female character hits or beats on her male counterpart. It's "funny" when that happens on the show, yet if the writers were to have it happen in reverse, people would call for the show to be taken off the air.

GoDolphins -> RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches (8/6/2009 5:00:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Excuse me, but is this a bdsm site anymore??? WTF??? This guy's wife and mistress tied him up for what had to be an amazing humiliation/bondage/CBT scene, and people are calling it awful, and comparing it to the crimes against humanity of women in the parts of the Islamic world??? I say again, WTF??? There is a bottle of nail polish remover in the hall cupboard. Let's do this thing! Was this a joke or sarcasm? This is nowhere near me being sarcastic, LadyP, and as for a joke, no. Not in any sense that I didn't mean what I said. What you were likely picking up on in my post was my mockery for anyone who would compare this individual act to the institutionalized crimes commited against women in some parts of the world. Even if the women here had Bobbitized him, it would still be an incident, outside the laws and customs of society. To compare even that to the horrors that are inflicted on women with the complete acceptance of society, and passed as official sentences in courts of law... I have utter disdain for that position, which I'm not so good at concealing. To my way of viewing things, this incident took place inside a big grey area of implied consent that he created by his own choices and conduct. There are an awful lot of people (women in particular, but even some men as well) who are not only condoning what these women did, but applauding them. So I'd say at least to some extent that they're doing this with society's stamp of approval. As for the court's approval, we'll have to wait and see on this one, but given the sentences female criminals have gotten for some crimes against men that many people felt "deserved" whatever happened to them in the past (i.e. Mary Winkler for starters) I'll be shocked if they come close to receiving the full 6 years they can get. Honestly, I truly believe if they hadn't stolen this man's wallet and car the chances of them ever seeing the inside of a jail cell would be pretty slim. If anything robbery is probably what will ultimately get them in the end, not what they physically did to the guy.

LadyPact -> RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches (8/6/2009 5:11:26 PM)
Actually, because a male's cock was involved, it became of greater interest. Had it been a woman getting superglue applied to her vaginal lips, concern would have been much less.

barelynangel -> RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches (8/6/2009 5:16:51 PM)
Didn't one of the articles state one of the women held a gun on him?

Loki45 -> RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches (8/6/2009 5:56:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Actually, because a male's cock was involved, it became of greater interest. Had it been a woman getting superglue applied to her vaginal lips, concern would have been much less. Shirley (sp) you must be joking. If a man so much as looks cross-eyed at a woman it's front-page. We have a radio host here who it was 'alleged' got into an 'argument' with his girlfriend and broke her laptop and now, TWO YEARS later it's still on the new at night. And this after she's come out and said that she was coerced by the cops into making a report in the first place. If this situation were reversed, "Oprah" and every other female talk host in the country would have a shit fit.....hosting daily segments of the horrors of domestic violence. (Of course oprah already does this....conveniently only highlighting the 'horrors' of female-to-male domestic violence.)

LillyoftheVally -> RE: Cheaters take note:Karma is 4 Bitches (8/6/2009 6:25:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loki45 And in this case, 'beating the shit out of her' wouldn't be comparable. However in many cases I've heard of, women are allowed to hit, scratch and beat on their significant others, but let that happen in reverse and all hell breaks loose. Society's inequality toward such behavior can be evidenced by the TV shows where a female character hits or beats on her male counterpart. It's "funny" when that happens on the show, yet if the writers were to have it happen in reverse, people would call for the show to be taken off the air. The humor being that women are weak and cant really hurt a man if they do then the man is equally weak and if a man hits a woman he will hurt her. A total stereotype I agree and in now way will I say that I agree with it. I think BOTH are wrong. But I do not really understand where your post came from gluing someones tits together or beating the shit out of them as though they are interchangable.

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