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azjojoba -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) (2/23/2010 9:11:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: VanityFix

im curious if there are any gay subs that fantasy about forced vag licking by their dom...


That's the most interesting question I have heard in a long time. You might want to start a new thread on it.



wolfman5181 -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) (2/24/2010 7:55:02 AM)

A male sucking another mans dick is a homosexual act thats why. Preference does not trump someones actions, and the fact that the sub is willing to go through with it(and most likely sought a dominant with this particular kink) at the very least indicates bisexuality.

A difference in opinion does not indicate homophobia, and homophobia does not equal closeted homosexuality.



JJohnsJR24 -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) (2/24/2010 10:25:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: wolfman5181

A male sucking another mans dick is a homosexual act thats why. Preference does not trump someones actions, and the fact that the sub is willing to go through with it(and most likely sought a dominant with this particular kink) at the very least indicates bisexuality.

A difference in opinion does not indicate homophobia, and homophobia does not equal closeted homosexuality.




Well that is just your opinon, and i can respect that.  But like a lot of others on here, i will have to respectfully disagree with you.



thishereboi -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) (2/24/2010 10:30:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: wolfman5181

A male sucking another mans dick is a homosexual act thats why. Preference does not trump someones actions, and the fact that the sub is willing to go through with it(and most likely sought a dominant with this particular kink) at the very least indicates bisexuality.

A difference in opinion does not indicate homophobia, and homophobia does not equal closeted homosexuality.



What about the gays who willingly sleep with members of the opposite sex in order to prove to themselves and others that they are really straight? What about male dominants who ask their female subs to interact with another female. Are they bi, even if they don't enjoy it?



Madame4a -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) (2/24/2010 1:09:50 PM)

Restating your position doesn't tell me why.

as to homophobia and latent homosexuality.. you might check the research as most of it points to
the two being very related... and I find your comments homophobic...

oh and its not generally a preference, its an orientation...

quote:

ORIGINAL: wolfman5181

A male sucking another mans dick is a homosexual act thats why. Preference does not trump someones actions, and the fact that the sub is willing to go through with it(and most likely sought a dominant with this particular kink) at the very least indicates bisexuality.

A difference in opinion does not indicate homophobia, and homophobia does not equal closeted homosexuality.




VaguelyCurious -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) (2/24/2010 1:22:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: wolfman5181

A male sucking another mans dick is a homosexual act thats why. Preference does not trump someones actions, and the fact that the sub is willing to go through with it(and most likely sought a dominant with this particular kink) at the very least indicates bisexuality.



And your evidence for the bolded part would be...?
Is the idea of a sub who would be willing to do anything non-damaging in order to turn their mistress on really that hard for you to imagine?



tnai -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) (2/24/2010 1:42:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: wolfman5181

its probably been said before, but if you suck a dick your not heterosexual.


Wolfman5181 is by definition of the word correct, not really argue the point. Someone who has sex for whatever reason by their own choice is bisexual not heterosexual.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bisexual

Main Entry: bi·sex·u·al Pronunciation: \(ˌ)bī-ˈsek-sh(ə-)wəl, -shəl\Function: adjective Date: 1824 1 a : possessing characters of both sexes : hermaphroditic b : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward both sexes
2 : of, relating to, or involving both sexes— bisexual noun — bi·sex·u·al·i·ty \ˌbī-ˌsek-shə-ˈwa-lə-tē\ noun — bi·sex·u·al·ly \(ˌ)bī-ˈsek-sh(ə-)wə-lē, -sh(ə-)lē\ adverb

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/heterosexual

Main Entry: 1het·ero·sex·u·al Pronunciation: \ˌhe-tə-rō-ˈsek-sh(ə-)wəl, -ˈsek-shəl\Function: adjective Etymology: International Scientific VocabularyDate: 1892 1 a : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward the opposite sex b : of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between individuals of opposite sex
2 : of or relating to different sexes— het·ero·sex·u·al·i·ty \-ˌsek-shə-ˈwa-lə-tē\ noun — het·ero·sex·u·al·ly \-ˈsek-sh(ə-)wə-lē, -ˈsek-shə-lē\ adverb

The only way for a completely strait man to have sex with another man in any fashion is rape.




Madame4a -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) (2/24/2010 1:48:44 PM)

Well.. by the number two definitions in both.. I am then, heterosexual and bisexual... [:D]

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ORIGINAL: tnai

quote:

ORIGINAL: wolfman5181

its probably been said before, but if you suck a dick your not heterosexual.


Wolfman5181 is by definition of the word correct, not really argue the point. Someone who has sex for whatever reason by their own choice is bisexual not heterosexual.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bisexual

Main Entry: bi·sex·u·al Pronunciation: \(ˌ)bī-ˈsek-sh(ə-)wəl, -shəl\Function: adjective Date: 1824 1 a : possessing characters of both sexes : hermaphroditic b : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward both sexes
2 : of, relating to, or involving both sexes— bisexual noun — bi·sex·u·al·i·ty \ˌbī-ˌsek-shə-ˈwa-lə-tē\ noun — bi·sex·u·al·ly \(ˌ)bī-ˈsek-sh(ə-)wə-lē, -sh(ə-)lē\ adverb

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/heterosexual

Main Entry: 1het·ero·sex·u·al Pronunciation: \ˌhe-tə-rō-ˈsek-sh(ə-)wəl, -ˈsek-shəl\Function: adjective Etymology: International Scientific VocabularyDate: 1892 1 a : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward the opposite sex b : of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between individuals of opposite sex
2 : of or relating to different sexes— het·ero·sex·u·al·i·ty \-ˌsek-shə-ˈwa-lə-tē\ noun — het·ero·sex·u·al·ly \-ˈsek-sh(ə-)wə-lē, -ˈsek-shə-lē\ adverb

The only way for a completely strait man to have sex with another man in any fashion is rape.





Rochsub2009 -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) (2/24/2010 1:48:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: wolfman5181

A male sucking another mans dick is a homosexual act thats why. Preference does not trump someones actions, and the fact that the sub is willing to go through with it(and most likely sought a dominant with this particular kink) at the very least indicates bisexuality.



Wow!  i really couldn't disagree with you more.

i haven't been following this thread, so i apologize if i repeat something that has already been said.

The fallacy in your argument is that you are confusing activities with orientations and mental states.  The two can be totally unrelated.

i have been asked to flog someone before, and i did it.  Yet i am not a sadist.  But i performed an act that some would consider to be sadistic.  i get no pleasure out of flogging someone, and would never do it of my own accord.  But i did it.

Similarly, have you ever dressed up as a woman for Halloween?  If not, have any of your friends?  i'm sure that you can think of at least one of your buddies who has dressed up as a woman for Halloween.  Yet, does that make them transvestites?  Moreover, does it indicated that they are destined to get operated on to become a full-fledged tranny?

Is everyone who uses the "N-word" a racist?

There are many things that i have done for a Domme that i did not enjoy, and would never do on my own.  But She desired it, so i did it.  Heck, i've been kept in chastity by a Domme for 2 months straight.  But does that make me a eunuch? 

To be clear though, MANY submissive men request that their Domme "force" them to suck cock.  In that instance, i can agree that the sub may be bi-curious (or perhaps even gay), even if he disagrees and says that he was "forced".  But that is probably an exception to the point being made here.

Participating in an activity is not necessarily indicative of your orientation or mental state.  Just ask your "transvestite" buddies next Halloween.



Rochsub2009 -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) (2/24/2010 1:56:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tnai

Wolfman5181 is by definition of the word correct, not really argue the point. Someone who has sex for whatever reason by their own choice is bisexual not heterosexual.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bisexual

Main Entry: bi·sex·u·al Pronunciation: \(ˌ)bī-ˈsek-sh(ə-)wəl, -shəl\Function: adjective Date: 1824 1 a : possessing characters of both sexes : hermaphroditic b : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward both sexes
2 : of, relating to, or involving both sexes— bisexual noun — bi·sex·u·al·i·ty \ˌbī-ˌsek-shə-ˈwa-lə-tē\ noun — bi·sex·u·al·ly \(ˌ)bī-ˈsek-sh(ə-)wə-lē, -sh(ə-)lē\ adverb

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/heterosexual

Main Entry: 1het·ero·sex·u·al Pronunciation: \ˌhe-tə-rō-ˈsek-sh(ə-)wəl, -ˈsek-shəl\Function: adjective Etymology: International Scientific VocabularyDate: 1892 1 a : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward the opposite sex b : of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between individuals of opposite sex
2 : of or relating to different sexes— het·ero·sex·u·al·i·ty \-ˌsek-shə-ˈwa-lə-tē\ noun — het·ero·sex·u·al·ly \-ˈsek-sh(ə-)wə-lē, -ˈsek-shə-lē\ adverb

The only way for a completely strait man to have sex with another man in any fashion is rape.




i think that you missed the word "desire" in the definition. 

"characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward both sexes". 

But what if there is no desire.  Many things done for a Dom/Domme can be against one's personal desires.  Yet the sub does it as an act of obedience.

The key word in my opinion is "desire".  That word speaks to a mental state, and not an activity.  If you eliminate the mental state and focus only on the activity, then Male rape victims are definitely gay as well.



Madame4a -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) (2/24/2010 2:02:11 PM)

Ultimately, it would be easy if it were all about activity.. and frankly, if it were all about activity I wouldn't be a lesbian.. I like sex -- but the fact is, its about several thing.. who you relate to... who you form romantic relationships with.. who you want to settle down with (if you do) ... community ... sexual orientation is not simply about who you have sex with... or who you perform fellatio on... hmmm.. which reminds me.. what is the orientation of a man or women who performs fellatio on a woman with a dick?  real or otherwise?  what if that woman is a very butch dyke? ... hmmm.... ...waiting for heads to explode
 
[;)][;)][;)]

I venture to add that if it were all that easy, and only about what sex acts you had and with whom -- orientation would not be complicated and a lot more fluid... but its not that way...



mnottertail -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) (2/24/2010 2:07:09 PM)

can that one be boi too? I am getting nomenclature aphasia here with all these names.



wolfman5181 -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) (2/24/2010 4:29:32 PM)

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as to homophobia and latent homosexuality.. you might check the research as most of it points to
the two being very related... and I find your comments homophobic...


source or its not real. besides that my comments are not homophobic in the least bit not one disparaging remark was made. jst stating facts if you engage in activitys with the same sex you are not heterosexual, the only ones yall are fooling is yourselves.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Madame4a

Restating your position doesn't tell me why.

as to homophobia and latent homosexuality.. you might check the research as most of it points to
the two being very related... and I find your comments homophobic...

oh and its not generally a preference, its an orientation...

quote:

ORIGINAL: wolfman5181






Madame4a -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) (2/24/2010 4:36:27 PM)

here is the google result on scholarly articles on the subject

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=homophobia%2Blatent%2Bhomosexuality&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&um=1&ie=UTF-8&oi=scholart



PeonForHer -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) (2/24/2010 5:33:35 PM)

Fast Reply:

I joked once before on this thread about how we must all remember to take dictionaries to bed with us when we're about to have sex, so that we know exactly how to classify any given activity that we get involved in. Let's face it: proper classifications are much more important than having a good time in bed, aren't they?

But there's a serious point to be made about that. This is: why does anybody even care any more? God's sake, I've had a yen, for a while now, to try some ballroom dancing. I'd submit that there'd be no thousand-post thread about what this desire says about my identity. So why, exactly, would it be any different if I were to have a yen to do a bit of gristle-gobbling? Should I have such a desire (which I have, on certain special occasions - ha, long stories each), I simply won't give a toss whether people want to 'classify' me as hetero, bi, or anything else. Hell, they can label me a Mexican fruit bat for all I care. A bunch of farties got us all uptight about such things a long, long time ago. Their views are redundant. We should no longer allow them inside our heads, trying to control us, and crushing down the fun we could all be having.



Madame4a -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) (2/24/2010 5:45:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Mexican fruit bat for all I care.



Roberto, he no like the light...


anyone know the reference? 



LadyAngelika -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) (2/24/2010 6:06:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Fast Reply:

I joked once before on this thread about how we must all remember to take dictionaries to bed with us when we're about to have sex, so that we know exactly how to classify any given activity that we get involved in. Let's face it: proper classifications are much more important than having a good time in bed, aren't they?

But there's a serious point to be made about that. This is: why does anybody even care any more? God's sake, I've had a yen, for a while now, to try some ballroom dancing. I'd submit that there'd be no thousand-post thread about what this desire says about my identity. So why, exactly, would it be any different if I were to have a yen to do a bit of gristle-gobbling? Should I have such a desire (which I have, on certain special occasions - ha, long stories each), I simply won't give a toss whether people want to 'classify' me as hetero, bi, or anything else. Hell, they can label me a Mexican fruit bat for all I care. A bunch of farties got us all uptight about such things a long, long time ago. Their views are redundant. We should no longer allow them inside our heads, trying to control us, and crushing down the fun we could all be having.



THIS x 1,000,000 clever man.

- LA



PeonForHer -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) (2/24/2010 6:27:53 PM)

Aww - thank you, Lady A. *blush*

I don't know of any Mexican fruit bat reference, btw. It was just the silliest name for an animal that popped into my head at the time.



LdyyR -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) (2/24/2010 6:34:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Fast Reply:





Did you say something. I can't concentrate with that darn pic over there to the left.



Jeffff -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (the setup) (2/24/2010 6:38:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Madame4a

quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Mexican fruit bat for all I care.


Roberto, he no like the light...
anyone know the reference? 



The Stupidest Angel



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