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RE: Young submission and its consequences - 8/10/2009 8:57:57 AM

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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx
My intention was not to open this up to public debate for advixe on what to do within my own family.
The title of the thread was not: help please with a family crisis.
The thread was about the nature of submission..submission by consent, sunmission to violence, green sunmission, inexperience and so on.
If I had to come onto collar to ask for this type of advice then i would seriously worry about my capacity as a mother.

If you don't want advice perhaps next time the op could have an actual question and not just an outpouring of personal experience followed in the last couple of lines by some strange views on the nature of submission.

People can only blames themselves if the op they write leads to the answers they don't want.

It also annoys me slightly when people have this view that they can spot dominant or submissive desires in people, especially when you consider human beings are good at hiding that which they truly want or desire. Unless someone tells me straight what they are or what they like I don't assume things not even by the way they act. There is always the danger you are seeing someone in terms of what you want them to be or what you wish you wasn't.

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RE: Young submission and its consequences - 8/10/2009 9:02:59 AM

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I'm her mother.
And I know her.
She's a prick tease and provokes him.
She uses her beauty and her submission to get what she wants and she thought she could manipulate him.
There's a flip side to every coin.
And the side of this that no one seems to want to address is that women abuse too.
I'm not saying she deserved to get dragged along the pavement or beaten the way she did. But on the eve of going away in the army, having turned his life around the way he has, he didn't deserve some slut of a prick tease following him around the streets last night.
I'm surprised I can see it so clearly from both sides. But I can.

I think I am a mother and a parent before I am anything else. That is how "I" view myself. Nothing/no one person comes before my child....ever.

You defend your daughter on the one hand and suggest in your original post that her boyfriend is abusive and harsh and being cruel. You seem concerned about your daughters safety and rightly so, next you begin to defend the boyfriends behavior to the other posters who have very valid concerns (I am sure as parents also)and who suggest you create some "action" by defending your daughter and alerting the authorities to this assault on her.
To say I am shocked that you now make her the abuser and the abuser the victim by blaming your daughter for this entire episode is beyond sad and disturbing.
Your daughter is now " a prick tease, a manipulator and a slut" according you and you are "just being honest as her mother". So on top of being abused physically by the boyfriend and having her emotions manipulated by him she gets to be verbally trashed on this forum by her mother. Nice.

None of us is perfect parents. None of us has perfect children. Your daughter deserves to have you stand up for her and stop the abuse by her boyfriend if she is emotionally or physically unable to do so. If your daughter exhibits manipulative behavior that puts her into these kinds of situations then you owe it to her to "try" to get her some help. You also owe it to her to give her some level of privacy, by not broadcasting what you see as her faults, to group of strangers, on a forum who you are seeking attention from.

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RE: Young submission and its consequences - 8/10/2009 9:04:28 AM

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Well, the thing about women especially, in their youth and pulchritude

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RE: Young submission and its consequences - 8/10/2009 9:05:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

I quite agree.

But since even obvious basic provable fact of who called who is ... well ... provable beyond question (telephone records),
it rather makes for an interesting day ... doncha think?
It's the wrong issue to be defamatory to that extent over and I'm not tolerating it.

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RE: Young submission and its consequences - 8/10/2009 9:05:27 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: FullCircle

quote:

ORIGINAL: Prinsexx
My intention was not to open this up to public debate for advixe on what to do within my own family.
The title of the thread was not: help please with a family crisis.
The thread was about the nature of submission..submission by consent, sunmission to violence, green sunmission, inexperience and so on.
If I had to come onto collar to ask for this type of advice then i would seriously worry about my capacity as a mother.

If you don't want advice perhaps next time the op could have an actual question and not just an outpouring of personal experience followed in the last couple of lines by some strange views on the nature of submission.

People can only blames themselves if the op they write leads to the answers they don't want.

It also annoys me slightly when people have this view that they can spot dominant or submissive desires in people, especially when you consider human beings are good at hiding that which they truly want or desire. Unless someone tells me straight what they are or what they like I don't assume things not even by the way they act. There is always the danger you are seeing someone in terms of what you want them to be or what you wish you wasn't.

She can tell because she has had a lot of experience at it. All 3 of her kids have followed into the lifestyle.

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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Prin, what you describe is what I see in most teens, especially girls. I must agree that it has nothing to do with submission.

As a parent, while we cannot do it for them, it is our responsibility to guide and protect. Even when they do not want it or think they need it. Just because they physically look like adults, does not mean they are. They still need parented. Even when it isn't fun or easy.

I have three. The eldest is a dominant male
The middle a submissive male.
The daughter is submissive.
I know it. By instinct and by recognition.
If she had the tools by nature to really assert her requrements with him this situation would not be ariding.
If that opens up a flame about how submissives also assert then so be it.
But it's a difficult one because all she wants to do us please him.
And parenthood? The most difficult, blessed, enduring and tasking job I have ever done. Everything else and anything else is simplicity itself.

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RE: Young submission and its consequences - 8/10/2009 9:08:32 AM

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Which, in a discussion by itself, could open a whole new can of worms.

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RE: Young submission and its consequences - 8/10/2009 9:09:11 AM

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Actually it was more to the point of who would really care what she said you said. It should be very obvious to anyone that she has no clue what the actualy conversation was and was just making a snarky post. Now if you really want to take legal action on this, by all means have at it. I will have my popcorn ready at hand.

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RE: Young submission and its consequences - 8/10/2009 9:10:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Which, in a discussion by itself, could open a whole new can of worms.

Yea, but I am not sure I have the strength so I will retire to the back porch and read my book. Have a great day.

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RE: Young submission and its consequences - 8/10/2009 9:11:47 AM

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What an excellent idea! If only I was home.....

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RE: Young submission and its consequences - 8/10/2009 9:12:58 AM

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I didn't see anywhere that they were part of the lifestyle only that she could tell by instinct and recognition what their qualities are. That is a rather open statement and only she herself knows if they are or are not part of the lifestyle in terms of following their actual movements towards being part of it.

Perhaps I'm wrong but when someone uses the term instinct it means they suspect not know.

I wouldn't say... "My instinct tells me Jewell Marceau is a bondage model." Unless I was being sarcastic.

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RE: Young submission and its consequences - 8/10/2009 9:19:26 AM

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

Actually it was more to the point of who would really care what she said you said. It should be very obvious to anyone that she has no clue what the actualy conversation was and was just making a snarky post. Now if you really want to take legal action on this, by all means have at it. I will have my popcorn ready at hand.

It also appears to constitute a breach of t.o.s.

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RE: Young submission and its consequences - 8/10/2009 9:20:44 AM

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Oh, come on Pirate. This is not about US vs UK. Lets not bring many or most into your disagreement with Angel.

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RE: Young submission and its consequences - 8/10/2009 9:35:04 AM

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I don't understand all you are saying prinsexx what training with the army? His recored is clear now only because they do not know he assaults his girlfriend on a regular basis, that is grounds for him to be deferred until he has matured. If he is going to fight without regard for his own life then again he is emotionally immatura and a damned liability in the armed forces. The army wants people who are in total control of their emotions not ticking time bombs who are going to put themselves and those who rely on them in danger. You've pointed out that he is no differrent to his peers in terms of background so he has no reason to be behaving as he is to your daughter. If this is his emotional response to his father dying five years ago how do you think he is going to react when he has a face full of his friends brains? What if he decides to take out his frustrations on some Afghan civilians? I would not want a person of this calibre anywhere near my unit let alone be part of it. I sincerely hope that his character defects are spotted by the army early as they usually are but that could ruin any chance at a future military career. It would be better if he waited a couple of years matured, got a grip of his temper and enter with a much greater chance of success. As for his love of your daughter, presumably your husband who abused you professed the same. It is quite possible that he does love her but that is no excuse, in fact it makes the situation even worse.

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RE: Young submission and its consequences - 8/10/2009 9:40:04 AM

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My first slave claimed that he entered slave-hood at age 7 with the consent of his mother to a neighborhood man. With the help of his mother he learned cooking and laundry in 24 hours; and left home never to go back. His expression of slave-hood was real as far as I could tell. What he lost at that age was the sense of what a normal relationship was; two people living together in collaboration. For him it was only what he MASTER wanted nothing less.

He also lost out on a high school diploma ...

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RE: Young submission and its consequences - 8/10/2009 9:48:35 AM

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
It should be very obvious to anyone that she has no clue what the actualy conversation was

Should be is not the same as IS ... a retraction or some clarification of the conjecture/fabrication would ensure that it IS.

I have allowed the poster the opportunity to ensure that it is obvious that they have no detailed knowledge of the actual conversation or the circumstances under which one person telephoned another. I believe that is a "reasonable" offer.

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RE: Young submission and its consequences - 8/10/2009 10:03:38 AM

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chuckles, i am just dying to know what exact legal advice was given.   Jonnieboy -- was the advice given US legal advice because that's where it would have to be filed.

Secondly, Prinnsex is the one who indicated you called her -- check Post 16 and 32, both statements can be reasonably believed to mean you called her.

Also, what exactly is defamatory about the statement? I mean i haven't studied the whole thing but at a glance, there is nothing defamatory about said statement and just so ya know --- the word SEEMS at the beginning would mean she is guessing based upon belief of information provided.

So you sound pretty silly with this Jonnie -- if you can't hack the boards, and want to go around threatening and implying legal implication -- stay off the boards because any jury who would see this thread could very well see your defense of the OP, HER STATEMENTS on these boards, her thanking you etc, as reasonable information for the conclusion guess -- expecially when she uses the word SEEMS. (Did you ever wonder why so many celebs don't have legal cases for defamation etc?) Because words like SEEMS and such.

You really need to learn words Jonnie -- SEEMS definition is this: give a certain impression or have a certain outward aspect

You really need a new attorney because obviously he isn't clear on the definition of the words used in the sentence you are whinging about.

chuckles i told you when you were cutting and pasting MY posts -- taking words from a post out of context is not a good thing to do for YOU LEFT OF THE ACTUAL FULL QUOTE #214 post

quote:

Then she posted that only one person was willing to help her with her (cough) dilemma. Seems that person was JonnieBoy who called her on the phone and reinforced the OP's delusions that her daughter was 'transitioning' into submission and it was just her bad luck to have a 16 year old boy beat the crap out of her.

I've emphasized the pertinent part of that quote that you seemed to have left off deliberatly? Learn how to quote things would you -- your attempt to cut up posts for your own agenda is going to hinder your credibility.

jonnie the way you post -- you really should be above throwing around legal threats and implied legal action. especially when its clear to a reasonable person since she uses SEEMS -- that she was drawn an impression.

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RE: Young submission and its consequences - 8/10/2009 10:05:45 AM

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Prinsexx as this boy is a painter and ecorator in Oxford it's actually possible he is employed by my father who has a good chunk of the market here. [though i'm not sure he has anyone so young on the books it is possible] Would it be concieable do you think that I could speak to him. He is joining the army I can speak to him about that and advise him, and also talk about his behaviour towards his girlfriend. Your daughter doesn't know me so her opinion of myself matters not one whit.

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RE: Young submission and its consequences - 8/10/2009 10:13:26 AM

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You really need a new attorney because obviously he isn't clear on the definition of the words used in the sentence you are whinging about.

Funny you should say that because I was watching this advert for injurylawyers4u the other day and the bloke on the advert said the word 'injury' meant specifically hurt by another party. I've always assumed that people could fall down their own stairs, through their own negligence and become injured.

Also there is this other similar advert where the lawyer almost gets run over at a zebra crossing, such a near miss it was...

, thuew I thought, good job he didn't get run over! The man himself was also suffering from a nasty case of voice replacement dubbing.

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RE: Young submission and its consequences - 8/10/2009 10:14:01 AM

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ORIGINAL: FullCircle

I didn't see anywhere that they were part of the lifestyle only that she could tell by instinct and recognition what their qualities are. That is a rather open statement and only she herself knows if they are or are not part of the lifestyle in terms of following their actual movements towards being part of it.

Perhaps I'm wrong but when someone uses the term instinct it means they suspect not know.

I wouldn't say... "My instinct tells me Jewell Marceau is a bondage model." Unless I was being sarcastic.

Thank you for that.
It's the same as saying: my chiild has a temperature without the use of a thermometer.
Of course I know their basic nature's:not only am i their mother but they talk openly to me.

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RE: Young submission and its consequences - 8/10/2009 10:18:46 AM

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ORIGINAL: Starbuck09

Prinsexx as this boy is a painter and ecorator in Oxford it's actually possible he is employed by my father who has a good chunk of the market here. [though i'm not sure he has anyone so young on the books it is possible] Would it be concieable do you think that I could speak to him. He is joining the army I can speak to him about that and advise him, and also talk about his behaviour towards his girlfriend. Your daughter doesn't know me so her opinion of myself matters not one whit.

Will mail

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