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angelic -> RE: Looking for help (2/23/2006 1:38:30 PM)

After reading the OP's profile i am a bit confused. He is looking for the 'ultimate' slave (is that like the ultimate burger at Burger King?)... His wisdom is infinite (at age 20????)? First, Master yourself before attempting to master another. (just my opinion) [:)]




KnightofMists -> RE: Looking for help (2/23/2006 3:10:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

i am confused. The common opinion here is that it is wrong to own more than one slave? That's a matter of preference, isn't it? i must be missing something in this thread. He asks for advice and is condemned. He didn't 'say he was already doing this, he asked for advice on it, prior to doing it.

As for, you can't really own someone you don't see all the time - in some cases yes. In others, that is quite untrue.



Yes it is a preference... but the reasons for those preferences are another matter all together. Merc asked an excellent question "WHY?" and frankly, I not too thrilled with the answer to it. I echo the general feeling of many in this thread that have some general reservations with regards to the OP. However, I do believe if he gets past some of the critical opinions and takes a second look at himself and how he is presented himself... he will see some advice that he should take to heart!




kyraofMists -> RE: Looking for help (2/23/2006 3:13:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

It is just that: A concept. It is up to the Master whether he wants the slave to work or to support her. (or whether to put them in a stable, as suggested above)



I understand that it is just a concept and each to their own. What I was asking was for someone who subscribes to this to explain the reason they choose this and to answer if they have considered the risk of something happening and no longer being able to support their property.

Is this the type of relationship that you have and if so can you answer the questions?


Knight's kyra




Mercnbeth -> RE: Looking for help (2/23/2006 4:00:40 PM)

My reply wasn't based upon the number of slaves involved. I pose the same question, "Why?" to anyone who states their desire to own a slave.

As an owner of a slave not permitted to work outside the home I've made provisions should something happen to me. Should my ability to maintain our current household come into question I would reduce the manner in which we live long before I would compromise our relationship. Although we too have made plans for our "retirement" we also suck the marrow from each day we have together while we are young and vital.

This is our concept and has been for three years on March 1. Every day it gets better.




Petruchio -> RE: Looking for help (2/23/2006 5:26:12 PM)

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I think, though, that the OP and this supposed goddess should get a clue that their thread was moved to random stupidity.


Bad angel! (laughing)

Sound got a little flak for saying he is kind and affable and not cruel. Frankly, it's easy to be cruel; every schoolboy knows that. It takes far more strength to exbibit kindness and consideration.




Sound -> RE: Looking for help (2/23/2006 6:19:52 PM)

Truthfully, I only added the wisdom is infinite one while I was ego tripping... excuse that. But I do ask why I am getting so much flak? When I learned to drive, I got into my parents car with them, and did fine on the first try. When I learned to use a computer for the first time, I got behind it and figured it all out within a hour. (not the "special stuff", but enough to be able to browse the internet and explain things to my family) I do understand now I am messing with a human being, who, like me, thinks and feels as I do. I am already by nature a kind person, and the one line you guys really complain about was a slip up. It has been removed, so please do not comment on that any more.

Also- I dont expect to find a good slave that is just right for me within 1 or 2 weeks. I expect it to be a long search, and I am wondering if there are any TIPS you can help me with, in the event I find myself stuck. I am asking in this forum only because I am searching for help before I actually need it, and hopefully I will find the REAL comments and answers I am looking for before I actually take on a slave closer to home, literally.

I love my slave very much. For the time being, I want to find another slave that lives closer to me. I'm a beginner, yes. I sound like a jackass, yes. But perhaps instead of flaming me due to my profile, maybe you could have worded it differently. Then again, My profile comes off as strong to a lot of people, so maybe your right, and I'm wrong. I understand that possibility, therefore, I have edited it.

Anyways, will anyone honestly answer my question on what you can reccomend I do? Instead of referring me to links and flaming me? I will look at those links later. I will read your flames to me, but that does not mean I will take them seriously. If you want me to take you seriously, asking me why I want multiple slaves wont work. I cant really explain why, I just do, ok?

Thanks.




theRose4U -> RE: Looking for help (2/23/2006 6:49:45 PM)

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::shaking head::: I think you're irresponsible. How can you take on a slave, to OWN a girl, to be responsible for ALL aspects of her well being if you're "not ready" (as illustrated by your admitted need of training)?


My take is tht he's fallen under the buffet theory of WIITWD...wants to try a little of everything NOW! Personally this girl that has her own slave sounds more like a mentor than your sub. Having friends that help guide you whether they are sub or Dom/me isn't a big deal. Honesty on the other hand that's a problem that will get you in the doghouse QUICKLY. Even little lies on here have this nasty way of coming back to bite you in the butt.

Going to a munch educating yourself and learning what you like and don't like make the transition easier. Start with ONE girl that is close by and available to you on a regular basis. Work on a strong long term relationship. Then in a year or so as a couple start to look for a second.

Nothing is more disturbing than the new Dom that claims to already have a stable that is looking for a local partner with the intention of having her be his pimp. This is not viewed well. Pardon me if I sound bitchy and skeptical as I've had THAT day but I'd suspect that "your" sub would be kind of suprised to learn this fact and her property would fall over in shock that his Domme has somehow given herself to a newbie.

As always Em's tagline comes to mind...Have a STABLE partner not A STABLE of partners.




theRose4U -> RE: Looking for help (2/23/2006 6:55:55 PM)

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i am confused. The common opinion here is that it is wrong to own more than one slave? That's a matter of preference, isn't it? i must be missing something in this thread.


What you're missing is that he's BRAND NEW claiming ownership someone that is guiding him and has their own slave....more likely a Domme than his property in this life.
This is not a condemnation of poly this is WHOOOAAAHH there junior grab a reality check at the door before someone gets hurt.




ownedgirlie -> RE: Looking for help (2/23/2006 7:36:52 PM)

Got it. Had a feeling i was missing something. Now i know. :)

Leads to the question of, how does a Dominant gain his skills before Mastering someone? Perhaps that is for a different thread, although it may be helpful here...?




Sound -> RE: Looking for help (2/23/2006 8:05:36 PM)

Actually, it was more of a Master>slave>slave relationship. She was definitly not a mentor, being younger than me, and just as inexperienced. Just a note...




PenelopePitstop -> RE: Looking for help (2/23/2006 8:35:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: angelic
First, Master yourself before attempting to master another.


Very very true.

I suppose you could see this as a problem of lack of inspiration? Inspiration does not come of itself; it is almost always a reaction to something else. Music, art or writing with a Dom/Sub theme might spark off the inner Dom, and it's something you can discuss and enjoy with your sub/s.




Evanesce -> RE: Looking for help (2/23/2006 10:25:38 PM)

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If you want me to take you seriously, asking me why I want multiple slaves wont work. I cant really explain why, I just do, ok?


And that's where we have a problem. Your attitude about slave ownership is extremely cavalier and sophomoric. "I just do" isn't a reason to take on a slave, and it indicates you've not really thought the entire process through. What do you expect of a slave? What kind of life can you offer a slave? Taking on a slave (let alone multiples!) is a huge responsibility. Have you considered what your responsibility to that slave might be? Or is it (as I and many others, I'm sure, suspect) your belief that the "slave" is there for the sole purpose of doing your bidding, while you offer nothing in return?

You asked for recommendations, so here's one: Figure out what you expect from a Master/slave relationship, and what you're willing to put into it, and then convey those expectations honestly to whomever you're considering adding to your "family". If you want people to take YOU seriously, you need to be doing some serious soul searching to find out what it is you're really looking for.

And for what it's worth... your profile doesn't come across as being particularly strong at all. It's just like a hundred other would-be dominants' profiles I've read. Full of ego, but not much substance.




Petruchio -> RE: Looking for help (2/23/2006 10:42:17 PM)

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Personally this girl that has her own slave sounds more like a mentor than your sub.


I've seen this before, more than once. It's not terribly unusual for a female sub to want to experiment, but (as has been mentioned elsewhere on the boards) they want to top another female and not a male. One girl called it the 'male adoration factor'.

Hey, folks, he just joined! Let's only beat him up after he's got, um, maybe SIX posts in!

(I'd ask if I was missing something obvious, but y'all would probably answer me!!! Fortunately, Sound seems flexible and, as he said, affable, and has thick skin.)

Give him a break, make him feel welcome, and any quirks will smooth out.

Or not.






RavenMuse -> RE: Looking for help (2/23/2006 10:43:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sound
If you want me to take you seriously, asking me why I want multiple slaves wont work. I cant really explain why, I just do, ok?


Nope doesn't work like that sunshine. Frankly it still looks like you got your head where the sun doesn't shine. If you don't know the why then go look at yourself till you do know because IMO you are going to be a downright danger to anyone getting involved with you till you DO know the answer!

As for taking me seriously, I couldn't care less. You asked a question, I've stated my opinion what you do with it is upto you. You can lable yourself whatever you like, I don't take anyone calling themself 'Dom' seriously unless they know themselves a damnsight better than you seem to.... but thats just me.

Have a nice day!




ayasha -> RE: Looking for help (2/23/2006 11:45:35 PM)

It might be a good idea for you to find a couple of experienced people that you can talk with - both Dominant and submissive. Call them mentors, call them friends with more experience- call them what you want. This one thinks that would be a good place to start




Focus50 -> RE: Looking for help (2/24/2006 12:44:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sound

Truthfully, I only added the wisdom is infinite one while I was ego tripping... excuse that. But I do ask why I am getting so much flak? When I learned to drive, I got into my parents car with them, and did fine on the first try. When I learned to use a computer for the first time, I got behind it and figured it all out within a hour. (not the "special stuff", but enough to be able to browse the internet and explain things to my family) I do understand now I am messing with a human being, who, like me, thinks and feels as I do. I am already by nature a kind person, and the one line you guys really complain about was a slip up. It has been removed, so please do not comment on that any more.

Also- I dont expect to find a good slave that is just right for me within 1 or 2 weeks. I expect it to be a long search, and I am wondering if there are any TIPS you can help me with, in the event I find myself stuck. I am asking in this forum only because I am searching for help before I actually need it, and hopefully I will find the REAL comments and answers I am looking for before I actually take on a slave closer to home, literally.

I love my slave very much. For the time being, I want to find another slave that lives closer to me. I'm a beginner, yes. I sound like a jackass, yes. But perhaps instead of flaming me due to my profile, maybe you could have worded it differently. Then again, My profile comes off as strong to a lot of people, so maybe your right, and I'm wrong. I understand that possibility, therefore, I have edited it.

Anyways, will anyone honestly answer my question on what you can reccomend I do? Instead of referring me to links and flaming me? I will look at those links later. I will read your flames to me, but that does not mean I will take them seriously. If you want me to take you seriously, asking me why I want multiple slaves wont work. I cant really explain why, I just do, ok?

You have a thirst. Many here are showing you water but you only see flames.... I certainly singled out your "infinite wisdom" comment in your profile for special mention simply because no-one can justify such a claim.

Though you may well believe your profile comes off as strong etc, I thought it came over as that of an inexperienced 20yo dom who's not exactly worldly wise, even in a vanilla sense. Mate, any fool can tell the World how strict and demanding etc he is; they're just cliche'd lifestyle buzz words on a screen that *anyone* can learn from a few hours research on a BDSM site! The kinda words fem/subs get bombarded with every single day by the army of wannabes looking for a rise! However, the intelligent and discerning reader will be more interested in what's between the lines you've chosen to espouse. But ok, you're really not asking about profile tips and much like gaining any life experience, your profile will evolve with you once you've matured....

Whether you like it or not, you're not gonna get respect from anyone by asking or demanding it and certainly not by setting a narrow field for what people can say to you as an answer to your question. What each has given you is *their* individual answer to your question. And most are saying you're not ready for guidelines on harem ownership - mostly because your own answer of "I just do" leaves little room but to conclude that you're barely out of your teens and on some ego trip and ta hell with the consequences!

My question to you (and from others here in their own way) is just exactly what do you think 2, 3 or 10 subs can do for you that *ONE* can't? And do you expect 2 slaves to give 100% devotion, loyalty and obedience etc to you as their Master when, logically, you can only give an average 50% to each in return? Just why should any slave accept being "short-changed" by you in that manner? Don't bother telling me you've thought all this through without having owned just one slave 24/7 because it'll only convince me further you're a 20yo on an ego trip!

No criticism intended (in this paragraph); just an honest opinion for your situation.... You have a long distance slave you say you love! That's the best place to start learning about responsibility, decision making and life in general.... You want slave ownership this badly, work out how to get you two closer together! Or do the right thing and end it because I find it very hard to believe she's cool with you looking past her just because of distance! Show her, and yourself, that you can take charge and be a responsible master.

For the record, my prejudices are such that I believe being a Master requires maturity and responsibility far beyond the capabilities of any 20yo - and your apparent motivation does nothing but further reinforce them. And it doesn't matter in the least if you or anyone takes me seriously - it's irrelevant and I'll still have my own opinion to voice regardless. Go get some life experience FIRST. Give the slave you've got your best shot at a relationship rather than trampling all over her feelings because she doesn't live next door! The touchy-feely nineties are mercifully passed; you *can't* be anything you want to be! You learn what you're capable of ONE STEP AT A TIME!

Focus.




RavenMuse -> RE: Looking for help (2/24/2006 3:27:20 AM)

Well said Focus. I disagree about the capabilitys of ANY 20 year old, I knew myself a lot better at that age than the OP for one thing and have known several in that age group who I did see enough to take them seriously. But otherwise I think your post was pretty much spot on.

Personaly I doubt the OP has what it takes to learn himself to that degree yet (From what he has wrote so far at least), hence I didn't bother wasting the effort to go into the depth you did, but hey I'd be happy for him to try and prove me wrong [;)]




IronBear -> RE: Looking for help (2/24/2006 5:57:18 AM)

Your very young aren’t you.. So much to learn and if you play your cards right, a long fruitful time to learn too.

Ok you want some tips:


  • Master yourself first. Get rid of the ego and visions of having a harem or a coffle of beautiful naked slaves girls.
  • You need a slave who can be with you if not 24/7 then on a daily basis to work with.
  • You need to Master a slave. Not just “own” one. You need to understand her heeds and what builds her fire.
  • If you survive the first full time slave AND if she is bisexual or will not be distraught about having another girl, have her help in choosing one.
  • Don’t play favorites
  • Met and listen to those who are experienced slave owners and slave trainers. NO NOT be too proud to ask for and accept advise or help.



"You gotta play the game. It’s all in the game and how you play it!"





LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Looking for help (2/24/2006 6:07:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sound
Anyways, will anyone honestly answer my question on what you can reccomend I do?

I'm going to avoid the age issue because, no matter what else, you've already shown a level of curiousity and desire that puts you ahead of a lot of the "older" doms around. Plus, I think ageism is wrong.

I will instead point you to my first reply. If you stick to that, you're ok.

quote:

If you want me to take you seriously, asking me why I want multiple slaves wont work. I cant really explain why, I just do, ok?

Thanks.

It's not ok because any slave worth having in your life is going to ask that question and expect a self-aware answer.




KnightofMists -> RE: Looking for help (2/24/2006 11:02:47 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sound

Truthfully, I only added the wisdom is infinite one while I was ego tripping... excuse that. But I do ask why I am getting so much flak? When I learned to drive, I got into my parents car with them, and did fine on the first try. When I learned to use a computer for the first time, I got behind it and figured it all out within a hour. (not the "special stuff", but enough to be able to browse the internet and explain things to my family) I do understand now I am messing with a human being, who, like me, thinks and feels as I do. I am already by nature a kind person, and the one line you guys really complain about was a slip up. It has been removed, so please do not comment on that any more.

Also- I dont expect to find a good slave that is just right for me within 1 or 2 weeks. I expect it to be a long search, and I am wondering if there are any TIPS you can help me with, in the event I find myself stuck. I am asking in this forum only because I am searching for help before I actually need it, and hopefully I will find the REAL comments and answers I am looking for before I actually take on a slave closer to home, literally.

I love my slave very much. For the time being, I want to find another slave that lives closer to me. I'm a beginner, yes. I sound like a jackass, yes. But perhaps instead of flaming me due to my profile, maybe you could have worded it differently. Then again, My profile comes off as strong to a lot of people, so maybe your right, and I'm wrong. I understand that possibility, therefore, I have edited it.

Anyways, will anyone honestly answer my question on what you can reccomend I do? Instead of referring me to links and flaming me? I will look at those links later. I will read your flames to me, but that does not mean I will take them seriously. If you want me to take you seriously, asking me why I want multiple slaves wont work. I cant really explain why, I just do, ok?

Thanks.


This thread I think has the opportunity to turn out to be a very constructive and progressive thread for anyone wishes to grow in the lifestyle. You already have some individual contributing their thoughts that are experienced and contributed some wisdom that you should listen actively instead of defensively.


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quote:


I am planning on being a master that owns more than one slave


Why?



Merc asked a very important question. He didn’t ask it to be aggressive or flaming. He didn’t just fall off the turnip truck. Merc has been in the lifestyle for some time and is in an intense lifestyle relationship with his slave beth. He like a few others here has a very personal understanding of what it means to have a slave or be a slave. Each of us that have a slave(s) or is a slave has a very personal understanding that is unique and distinct, but I assure you… it is not

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I cant really explain why, I just do, ok?


This answer is highly inadequate. But, Expected!

Why did I expect it? Because in part your age coupled with what you said in your original post! Your age is tied very specifically to your actually experiences or lack of experiences. Your age is actually of no real importance, but many will look at your age with skepticism, so get use to it. Focus is a nonsense kind of guy. You may not like his approach or what he has to say. But, if you put the defensiveness aside you might be surprised at how good of advice he can give you. Advice that will cause you to be a better you, Disregard it carelessly at your peril Lucky is a prefect example of one who destroys the myth of Age = experiences and maturity concept. You would do well to consider what she suggests carefully. Her thoughts and opinions are born out of a lot of personal experiences or as an intelligent individual she is able to put together common sense opinions to issues she hasn’t personally experienced.

So, get off your defensive horse! Quit making excuses or justifications for your attitude and behaviors. Be assured, that the only person that held to their ideals and opinions at
20 years of age is one that DIED at 20. You are going to change. Every one of us has changed and continues to change every single day. At 20, you have a lot of changes ahead of you! The pace of the experiences you enjoy will have a direct impact upon the changes that will occur in your thoughts and feelings.

I am someone that owns multiple slaves. I am some one that understands Long-Distance Relationships. I am some one that understands multiple play partners. I am some one that understands these things from my perspective! No one else’s!


Why I want more than one slave?! I will give you my answer and maybe my answer will allow you to look deeper into yourself, or at least help you to understand the depths you need to consider. Maybe others can answer why they want a slave! If they have one or if they have more… why they want more than one? All in an effort for you to understand why “Because I do” is not an answer.

My journey to have more than one slave began over 15 years ago. My girl alandra at the time sat across from me and shared her desire to share me. Alandra always wanted to be in a poly relationship, but for me at 24 this thought and idea was just a man’s fantasy. The courage of my girl to share her deepest desire and thoughts sparked a huge domino effect. From that moment forward, all thoughts or ideas that was once considered fantasies with no basis in reality, where immediate thrust into the realm of possibility! Now, I did go our and run to find another or other partners. In fact, I asked myself, after the shock and novelty of the idea wore off, “WHY” do I want more than one! Alandra had her reasons. But her reasons where hers! I needed my own.

It was close to ten years later before I was prepared to involve others into your intimate life. It was ten years later before I had an answer that was my own. It didn’t take tens years to have the answer, but it was having children that I found my answer. It was about “LOVE”. In conventional society, we are constantly bombarded with the concept of limited love of partners. Monogamy rules our society in most aspects. Most are raised with the concept of Monogamy as the way to live a our intimate adulthood relationships. It was having children that I truly appreciated the concept of Infinite “LOVE”. It was having the four of them that I couldn’t understand how one limits their love for one because they loved another so incredible much. It was thru this understanding that I realized that I didn’t limit my love of alandra because I loved another loving beautiful adult person. For me owning another slave… Is all about Love!

It is very important to me that my loving slaves are also connected to each other. I do not expect them to be deep loving partners. But the connection and love must be there. Currently in my life I have alandra, who has been with me since back in 1987. Kyra has been with me for about a year and is currently a long distant relationship. These two are my slaves. I am deeply in love with both of them. Between us there is a lot of love flying around. There is a deep sense of commitment and devotion between all of us. However, it doesn’t stop there. I also have a bottom, denika. Denika and her husband are very much part of my life. Last weekend, we five enjoy a great weekend together at a local event. The energy between us was very natural. Five individuals in different sorts of relationships with each other, but all very positive and loving.

I could go on a long time on this. But, the point is, I have my answer. I know why I want multiple slaves/partners In my life. I appreciate the limitations of myself and others. But, I also appreciate our limitless qualities as well.





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