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RE: breaking up and lessons learned - 8/11/2009 7:29:51 AM   
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As a general rule, males are not good at breaking up. They tend to just disappear or fade away and hope you figure it out for yourself.

I'm not sure why this is, but I have experienced it as well. The lack of closure sucks.


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RE: breaking up and lessons learned - 8/11/2009 8:50:28 AM   
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As a general rule, males are not good at breaking up. They tend to just disappear or fade away and hope you figure it out for yourself.

I'm not sure why this is, but I have experienced it as well. The lack of closure sucks.



I agree with this posting wholeheartedly. I have no idea why it happens this way either. You'd figure the men would have the decency etc to stand up and say hey...this isn't working for me. Especially if he calls himself a Dom. Maybe I have higher standards for someone who says they are a Dom.
Anyway, yeah, it's happened to me as well and the lack of closure sucks as Daintydimples said.

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RE: breaking up and lessons learned - 8/11/2009 8:52:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: daintydimples

As a general rule, males are not good at breaking up. They tend to just disappear or fade away and hope you figure it out for yourself.

I'm not sure why this is, but I have experienced it as well. The lack of closure sucks.



I agree with this posting wholeheartedly.



And I totally don't I have yet to be in a relationship where the male part didnt communicate the split with me.

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RE: breaking up and lessons learned - 8/11/2009 8:54:59 AM   
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First off major hugs... the unexpected ending of a relationship is bad enough but not giving someone closure.. well.

As for giving you an STD I'm also so sorry. Doesn't take much to check up regularly, irrespective of whether you're in a relationship or not.

But you know up to a point this relationship was a successful one and there were feelings involved. It came to an end, as most relationships do, and that ending was unfortunate.

Please try to resist turning the feelings of love to feelings of hate, it only prolongs the pain and hurt. Try to accept it for what it was, a relationship that worked out for a time with someone you shared feelings with for a time. Your expectations of him weren't fulfilled that's all.

Let go, be nice to yourself. The more you let go and the more you accept things for what they were the better the progress you'll make and the easier the recovery.

People who are wise, intelligent and beautiful also get hurt in their relationships. You feel a fool because you feel deceived perhaps, perhaps by him, perhaps by yourself, but the pain is coming from all those unfulfilled expectations.

You have loved and lost and this only goes to show that you are capable of loving and being loved. Replace those unfulfilled expectations lest they become baggage with fresh dreams and fresh hopes.

You are live. You will love and be loved again. And you know dreams come true for those who really believe.


Stella, this was beautifully said and very practical as well.

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RE: breaking up and lessons learned - 8/11/2009 9:39:06 AM   
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Agreeing stella completely, believe that everything is going to go a better way. An abusing partner's removal would cause you to notice positive things in your life.

About the men and break-ups, I believe it is the general "exceptions and regulation" relation we know. 

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RE: breaking up and lessons learned - 8/11/2009 9:43:25 AM   
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I wish there was a place where one could post the names of those who have this and pass it around without concern for others.


There is. It is called "police" and "district attourney's office". Passing on STDs is a prosecutable offense, and has been for years. If I understand correctly you did not report him to the authorities (the CDC will even take a report, from you or from your doctor) that means you still have not learned your lesson, because you are putting others at risk - others he will connect with. Instead, you're here moaning, and not standing up for your rights, getting what you can out of him, and putting him in jail. Again - there isn't any point in moaning here, if you want to make sure others don't fall in this trap, the court case needs to be in the papers, and on CNN. Get with the program.

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RE: breaking up and lessons learned - 8/11/2009 9:52:36 AM   
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There is this place that we get to all of us eventually, where we have to start looking at life realistically. I started a thread about life on lifes terms and where as I was really happy about the thread it got somewhat off kilter and I think this illustrates the reality of life.

You can be safe, you can protect yourself as best you can, and you can still walk head first into a brick wall and be left wondering what I did to deserve this.

The Break Up.... or Lack of one. Chalk it up to a lesson from the school of hard knocks and get stronger from it some people think getting stronger means not trusting anymore and that doesn't work because all you end up doing then is making someone else pay for someone elses sin when you finally do try to meet someone new and all the get is to live in the shadow of the asshole who gave you a VD and then stopped calling.

STD's are so common these days, and even if most can be cleared up with a shot of Penisullen (SP?) there are so many that you get to ride out for the rest of your life. I personally am Allergic to Latex and I have a SEVERE reaction to Non-Latex condoms almost to the point where it would be more comfortable to deal with the Latex Rash then the Blister and Burn that comes from the Non Latex ones. I have also been a slut in my early 20's and have played russian roulette with my johnson. I have been with a LOT of women and many of which were not the cleanest in the world (It comes with being a Drug Addict) I am so lucky that I never got an STD or a VD, but I was also as responsible as I could be I got tested regularly and kept lists of everyone I had sex with between test dates so that I could inform them if I ever came up infected.

As for men being unable to "be a Man" and admit when they are done with a relationship I don't knwo anything about that I never dated any men, I do know that women are perhaps more cold about it when they are done with someone not saying anything at all and then intentionally starting fights just to get you to dump them, Had a LOT of those. I have only broke up with two women in my entire life out of all the ones that I have been with, and each time I was very straight forward and left ZERO room for hope of reconsiliation or lack of closure, oddly enough I don't like ending relationships and am usually willing to give it a shot at fixing it before just throwing it away.

Personal Experience shows me that Women Cheat, Have sex with your Friends, Lie about doing so, and use you for what you can give them such as rides or buying them things ........ Mind you I said PERSONAL EXPERIENCE and that wonderful moment I was talking about in the first paragraph was when I realized it wasn't about GENDER it was about the kind of Choices that I MAKE. I choose the WHORE and then I try to make her a Housewife, rather then finding the Housewife who likes to be a whore. I choose my partners and I offten tend to choose a personality trait that comes with a few Bad Side Effects. The First of which is that the kind of women I choose tend to me free'er with their sexuality then I would like and so they tend to Cheat, This is not their fault, sure it is wrong, but it is a character trait that I can pin-point today in just about every relationship I ever had. So I made changes about the kind of people I actively persued and the choices I make when getting involved and now I got two girls that would rather cut out their tongues then cheat on someone.

Living life on lifes terms means taking responsibility for the fact that everything that happens in our lives we ourselves are in some way responsible for and if we stop trying to point fingers and stick instead to trying to learn from it and not allowing it to happen again we will all be much happier people..... at least today I know that I am.

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RE: breaking up and lessons learned - 8/11/2009 10:01:49 AM   
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So here I am saying.......if you are breaking with someone at least give them the courtesy of telling them. Dont be a coward and just walk away.


**hugs**  I'm gonna skip the topic of STD's and just talk about the breakup part.  I have had this done to me so so many times, and I know exactly how you feel.   There isn't much worse of a way to be broken up with, IMO.  It definitely can leave you angry and bitter.  I wish I had some advice on how to deal with it, but this is something I have never learned.  I no longer give ANY man the benefit of the doubt that he won't end up doing this very thing, leaving a big empty hole where he once stood.  So you know what I eventually did learn from it?  I learned to break up with them before they break up with me.  Which means I rarely have anything last more than 3 weeks with anyone.  I just went through this, as a matter of fact... made it through 4 great weeks, and then broke up with him 3 times during the 5th week.  He's told me he never wants to talk to me again because of this, but at least I wasn't on the other end of it, left standing in the dust, looking around wondering where he went.

This is what unresolved bitterness and anger can do to us... it turns us into someone we don't want to be.  I will never understand how a guy can suddenly just quit caring, or quit caring long before he bothers to let you know.  Men would rather be a cowardly jerk than do the right thing. 

I guess I'm just venting right along with you.  Maybe it'll help to know you're not alone.  I'll tell him off for ya and put him in his place if you want... I've gotten pretty good at that over the years.

**more hugs**!!




I agree with HarderToBreathe2. It is self preservation. I gave my all to one, and ended up getting bitten in the ass at the end of 5 mos. It wil NOT HAPPEN AGAIN.

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RE: breaking up and lessons learned - 8/11/2009 1:18:40 PM   
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This was really nice and well-said, Stella.  I'm sure it will help the OP or someone else in a similar situation.

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RE: breaking up and lessons learned - 8/11/2009 1:25:19 PM   
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I wish there was a place where one could post the names of those who have this and pass it around without concern for others.


There is. It is called "police" and "district attourney's office". Passing on STDs is a prosecutable offense, and has been for years. If I understand correctly you did not report him to the authorities (the CDC will even take a report, from you or from your doctor) that means you still have not learned your lesson, because you are putting others at risk - others he will connect with. Instead, you're here moaning, and not standing up for your rights, getting what you can out of him, and putting him in jail. Again - there isn't any point in moaning here, if you want to make sure others don't fall in this trap, the court case needs to be in the papers, and on CNN. Get with the program.



I totally agree with this. If someone knows they have an STD and have unprotected sex they are prosecutable.(at least in every state i have lived in) If nothing else you should report his behavior to your local health department. In doing this you are taking back control and doing more than simply feeling sorry for yourself. You are making him accountable for his actions. Good luck to you.

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RE: breaking up and lessons learned - 8/11/2009 1:35:36 PM   
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Living life on lifes terms means taking responsibility for the fact that everything that happens in our lives we ourselves are in some way responsible for and if we stop trying to point fingers and stick instead to trying to learn from it and not allowing it to happen again we will all be much happier people..... at least today I know that I am.


Not all that easy... but a great thing to aspire to.

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RE: breaking up and lessons learned - 8/11/2009 2:01:40 PM   
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And I totally don't I have yet to be in a relationship where the male part didnt communicate the split with me.

God, thank you for that Lilly. Honestly the things that women routinely say about men astound me. It also astounds me that so seldom does anyone say "hey wait." The equivalent statement regarding women might be something like,

"For the most part, women are not good at thinking logically. They just tend to drift off into some sort of emotional dream land. I'm not sure why this is, but I've experienced it and the lack of common sense sucks"

Somehow, I'm guessing that if I posted that statement, it would not be so casually accepted.

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RE: breaking up and lessons learned - 8/11/2009 2:20:34 PM   
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And I totally don't I have yet to be in a relationship where the male part didnt communicate the split with me.

God, thank you for that Lilly. Honestly the things that women routinely say about men astound me. It also astounds me that so seldom does anyone say "hey wait." The equivalent statement regarding women might be something like,

"For the most part, women are not good at thinking logically. They just tend to drift off into some sort of emotional dream land. I'm not sure why this is, but I've experienced it and the lack of common sense sucks"

Somehow, I'm guessing that if I posted that statement, it would not be so casually accepted.


leadership -
this is very funny, what you said, in an absurd sort of way.  made me laugh.  probably because there is so much truth to it. 


edited to correct typos


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RE: breaking up and lessons learned - 8/11/2009 3:03:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HarderToBreathe2

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So here I am saying.......if you are breaking with someone at least give them the courtesy of telling them. Dont be a coward and just walk away.


**hugs**  I'm gonna skip the topic of STD's and just talk about the breakup part.  I have had this done to me so so many times, and I know exactly how you feel.   There isn't much worse of a way to be broken up with, IMO.  It definitely can leave you angry and bitter.  I wish I had some advice on how to deal with it, but this is something I have never learned.  I no longer give ANY man the benefit of the doubt that he won't end up doing this very thing, leaving a big empty hole where he once stood.  So you know what I eventually did learn from it?  I learned to break up with them before they break up with me.  Which means I rarely have anything last more than 3 weeks with anyone.  I just went through this, as a matter of fact... made it through 4 great weeks, and then broke up with him 3 times during the 5th week.  He's told me he never wants to talk to me again because of this, but at least I wasn't on the other end of it, left standing in the dust, looking around wondering where he went.

This is what unresolved bitterness and anger can do to us... it turns us into someone we don't want to be.  I will never understand how a guy can suddenly just quit caring, or quit caring long before he bothers to let you know.  Men would rather be a cowardly jerk than do the right thing. 

I guess I'm just venting right along with you.  Maybe it'll help to know you're not alone.  I'll tell him off for ya and put him in his place if you want... I've gotten pretty good at that over the years.

**more hugs**!!




I agree with HarderToBreathe2. It is self preservation. I gave my all to one, and ended up getting bitten in the ass at the end of 5 mos. It wil NOT HAPPEN AGAIN.
Sooooooooooo...some other guy gets to pay for what someone he doesn't know did?  Hmmmmmmmmmm...I wonder...how many women here on the boards wish to pay for the whiny/needy/frigid/selfish/cold-hearted/clingy/pushy/demanding bitch that came before you?  Hmmmm?

Face it.  There are indeed some generalizations that can be made about men and some that can be made about women.  The ones that truly fit are also called truisms.  But when you use the term "in general", what that means is the majority of the time.  I've ended relationships with 4 women out of quite a few.  I've been broken up with by many more...and the one thing I learned is this:  none of them did it the same way, even the ones who disappeared.  They all had their own way of doing it.  Some were done better than others but only a couple of them were done in a manner that didn't leave me feeling like shit.  So does that translate to "in general, women don't know how to break up with a guy"?

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RE: breaking up and lessons learned - 8/11/2009 3:19:25 PM   
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. . . some were done better than others but only a couple of them were done in a manner that didn't leave me feeling like shit. So does that translate to "in general, women don't know how to break up with a guy"?


Yes I think it does. Are there people who break up well? I've never met any, not who really cared. I'm sure some break ups are more amicable than others, but in this age of long distance romance, it's so easy to just disappear.

The statement was really more about how the male psyche tends to handle that issue as a general rule. It's nothing other than my opinion based on my own anecdotal evidence. If you don't fall into the category of males who does this, then great.




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RE: breaking up and lessons learned - 8/11/2009 3:27:42 PM   
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And I totally don't I have yet to be in a relationship where the male part didnt communicate the split with me.

God, thank you for that Lilly. Honestly the things that women routinely say about men astound me. It also astounds me that so seldom does anyone say "hey wait." The equivalent statement regarding women might be something like,

"For the most part, women are not good at thinking logically. They just tend to drift off into some sort of emotional dream land. I'm not sure why this is, but I've experienced it and the lack of common sense sucks"

Somehow, I'm guessing that if I posted that statement, it would not be so casually accepted.



Yeah probably not the best of ideas to get me started, but all the 'all men are...' crap that comes out of many a bitter mouth makes me want to dust the soap box off and bore them all to tears

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RE: breaking up and lessons learned - 8/11/2009 3:46:34 PM   
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Yeah probably not the best of ideas to get me started, but all the 'all men are...' crap that comes out of many a bitter mouth makes me want to dust the soap box off and bore them all to tears


I wouldn't say that I am bitter.  I give new men a chance in the sense that I end up caring for them, but there's always that little fear in the back of my mind that they're going to disappear on me.  The reason for that fear is not only because I've been through it so many times before, but because it seems like most other girls have had it done to them as well.  It does seem to be typical male behavior.  That isn't to say that ALL men do this, but even most men themselves will claim that it's just easier (for them) to fade away from someone when they no longer want the relationship, rather than just manning up about it and filling her in that he's leaving.  Or else the guy will just be an ass until the girl does the breaking up for him.  I've read enough, seen enough, and lived enough to know that most men are cowards about breakups.  I know that sounds harsh, and I'm sorry to those men who are the exception.  But that's what the ones who don't do this are... the exception.

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RE: breaking up and lessons learned - 8/11/2009 3:48:57 PM   
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I have had friends of both genders who are shit to their partners at the end.

If you see a pattern in your relationships, look for the common denominator. (I don't want to pick up on your previous post here hun, but a LOT of what was written in there explains your experience, thats not typical male behaviour but typical you behaviour)

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RE: breaking up and lessons learned - 8/11/2009 3:52:59 PM   
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I have had friends of both genders who are shit to their partners at the end.

If you see a pattern in your relationships, look for the common denominator. (I don't want to pick up on your previous post here hun, but a LOT of what was written in there explains your experience, thats not typical male behaviour but typical you behaviour)


Maybe so, but you really don't know enough about me to form much of an opinion, even if you've read everything I've ever written on CM.  As for the pattern... perhaps you misread my post when I said that having had this happen to myself is not the only reason that I've formed this opinion.  The common denominator is in fact men, not myself. 

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RE: breaking up and lessons learned - 8/11/2009 3:57:32 PM   
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He never told me that he had an STD......... I wish there was a place where one could post the names of those who have this and pass it around without concern for others.


A quick google search came up with this "International List of People with STDs." (I typed in "list of people with std")

http://www.stdcarriers.com/stdcarriers.aspx

If you keep looking, you could probably find many of them online.

In many states, including the one I live in, we have a sexual predator list... I've been to the website and I get notices in the mail informing me when someone from the list is living in my neigborhood. I wouldn't be surprised if there are states that have a similar list for people with STD. And actually, that's something i need to keep in mind the next time I talk to my state legislators and powerbrokers... we should have an STD list just like we have the sexual predator list.


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