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PeonForHer -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/28/2009 9:31:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OttersSwim Dunno P...looks to me like you got little aliens growing under your skin that are about to burst out. Might want to have a flame thrower on hand if the little beasties get loose...just sayin'... What? It can't be magic mushroom season out there already!

Venatrix -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/28/2009 9:47:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: Venatrix Most of the rest of you seem to be advocating a "why buy the milk when you can get the cow for free" attitude, and are getting bent out of shape because there are some "cows" who want paying. Actually, it was LadyHibiscus who said that I 'didn't need to pay the entrance fee'. The truth is, though, that I can't pay the entrance fee. Not because I'm broke (I'm not, fortunately), but because I'm not able to reconcile business mentality with romantic mentality. I cannot feel like I'm 'paying for love'. That runs true for my feelings about friends, too. Yes, PforH, we KNOW that. Nobody is arguing that point. I don't want a relationship that is based on money, either. But to say that women who want to be financial dominants are fakes is ridiculous, which is what many of the men posting on this thread imply. In fact, do a search for sub male profiles with the word "fake" in there, and in an overwhelming majority of cases, you will find that the "fake" is attached to some form of commentary deriding those women who wish to engage in financial domination. It's not my thing, but it doesn't make it any less valid as a form of domination than the way I dominate. Seriously, the posts on this thread have mirrored my life experience exactly: that there are a lot of submissive male jerks out there and a handful of really stellar ones, but that trying to find that handful of stellar ones isn't worth the slog through all the jerks. I'm just sick to death of the men who tell me that I need to be this way, that way, and the other way in order to be their dominant. I actually don't need to be anything other than what I already am. If that doesn't suit them, they are welcome to continue complaining about why they can't find a domina.

LadyNTrainer -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/28/2009 9:55:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Actually, it was LadyHibiscus who said that I 'didn't need to pay the entrance fee'. The truth is, though, that I can't pay the entrance fee. Not because I'm broke (I'm not, fortunately), but because I'm not able to reconcile business mentality with romantic mentality. I cannot feel like I'm 'paying for love'. That runs true for my feelings about friends, too. In any non-familial human relationship, both participants must "pay the entrance fee". You stand a pretty good chance of paying yours by taking care of yourself in the gym and producing a nice bod that is a valuable and desirable commodity. But don't kid yourself about there not being an entrance fee. There always is one, and it involves meeting your partner's needs and wants with something you have and are willing to share.

PeonForHer -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/28/2009 10:20:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Actually, it was LadyHibiscus who said that I 'didn't need to pay the entrance fee'. The truth is, though, that I can't pay the entrance fee. Not because I'm broke (I'm not, fortunately), but because I'm not able to reconcile business mentality with romantic mentality. I cannot feel like I'm 'paying for love'. That runs true for my feelings about friends, too. In any non-familial human relationship, both participants must "pay the entrance fee". You stand a pretty good chance of paying yours by taking care of yourself in the gym and producing a nice bod that is a valuable and desirable commodity. But don't kid yourself about there not being an entrance fee. There always is one, and it involves meeting your partner's needs and wants with something you have and are willing to share. In that case, I must have paid those entrance fees many times in the past. If so, I'm not complaining!

PeonForHer -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/28/2009 10:37:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: Venatrix Most of the rest of you seem to be advocating a "why buy the milk when you can get the cow for free" attitude, and are getting bent out of shape because there are some "cows" who want paying. Actually, it was LadyHibiscus who said that I 'didn't need to pay the entrance fee'. The truth is, though, that I can't pay the entrance fee. Not because I'm broke (I'm not, fortunately), but because I'm not able to reconcile business mentality with romantic mentality. I cannot feel like I'm 'paying for love'. That runs true for my feelings about friends, too. quote: Yes, PforH, we KNOW that. Nobody is arguing that point. I don't want a relationship that is based on money, either. I'm sorry, I thought some people were arguing that point. Or, rather, points that were quite close to it. 'Partially' based on money, perhaps. quote: But to say that women who want to be financial dominants are fakes is ridiculous, which is what many of the men posting on this thread imply. Have they implied that? Though I've certainly seen such comments in subs' profiles, I don't recall the posts here. quote: I actually don't need to be anything other than what I already am. If that doesn't suit them, they are welcome to continue complaining about why they can't find a domina. Ditto that re being what I am. I'm not complaining about not being able to find a domina either.

LaTigresse -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/28/2009 10:38:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Starbuck09 Having said that Venatrix I will have to do so much later on as I off entertaining a young[ish] lady now. We're going to the botanical gardens followed by a hopefully fun couple of hours watching Bruno. I'll pay for both, including a large raspberry ice blast for her as usually she pinches mine halfway through a film, because I enjoy treating her though not because it is expected or demanded of me. If that attitude is interpreted as me being fearful of women or full of hatred towards them then I will live with it no matter how upsetting or offensive such judgments are. What you are not understanding Starbuck is that, in the above, you are still retaining the power. Why is it so horrible to imagine that a dominant woman, the person that is SUPPOSED to have the power in a relationship with a submissive, demand the above rather than hope for it?

AAkasha -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/28/2009 10:43:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Venatrix quote: ORIGINAL: Starbuck09 Having said that Venatrix I will have to do so much later on as I off entertaining a young[ish] lady now. We're going to the botanical gardens followed by a hopefully fun couple of hours watching Bruno. I'll pay for both, including a large raspberry iceblast for her as usually she pinches mine halfway through a film, because I enjoy treating her though not because it is expected or demanded of me. If that attitude is interpreted as me being feaful of women or full of hatred towards them then I will live with it no matter how upsetting or offensive such judgements are. Starbuck, I hope you've had a lovely evening, regardless of who pays. But you are not getting my point. None of this is about money, as far as I'm concerned. It's about this whole crap that there's only one way to dominate, and that's without asking for anything in return, which is just as offensive as being told there's only one way to submit, and it is because of the latter that I am not in agreement with the OP. The cherry on top of all this protesting and anger from this sub (?) men who complain about women who want compensation is that it's the MEN who are driving the market for the huge influx of casual money-grabbers and unethical women (honestly guys, some of these "women" are men with a fake profile, you know). If there were not men waving their dollars with one hand on their wallet and the other hand on their cock, the bottom feeders wouldn't be here picking up the cash. No market = the scammers go elsewhere. That has nothing to do with the other "money/tribute/pro" femdoms who may legitimately or not legitimately request/require/demand compensation for fantasy/"a chance to talk to me,"/domination/relationship. The subgroup of women that most of these men have the biggest problem are responding to a market driven by the needs and demands of men who want their kink, want it their way, and want it NOW. If you subs have such a big problem with that, where are the 36 page threads about how you wish sub guys would stop trying to buy submission and fantasy from any and all females that come into their presence? Akasha

Venatrix -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/28/2009 10:43:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: Venatrix Yes, PforH, we KNOW that. Nobody is arguing that point. I don't want a relationship that is based on money, either. I'm sorry, I thought some people were arguing that point. Or, rather, points that were quite close to it. 'Partially' based on money, perhaps. Oh, Peon, are you being deliberately obtuse? I meant that no one was arguing that YOU don't want a relationship based on money. You've said it ad nauseum.

PeonForHer -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/28/2009 10:56:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse quote: ORIGINAL: Starbuck09 Having said that Venatrix I will have to do so much later on as I off entertaining a young[ish] lady now. We're going to the botanical gardens followed by a hopefully fun couple of hours watching Bruno. I'll pay for both, including a large raspberry ice blast for her as usually she pinches mine halfway through a film, because I enjoy treating her though not because it is expected or demanded of me. If that attitude is interpreted as me being fearful of women or full of hatred towards them then I will live with it no matter how upsetting or offensive such judgments are. What you are not understanding Starbuck is that, in the above, you are still retaining the power. Why is it so horrible to imagine that a dominant woman, the person that is SUPPOSED to have the power in a relationship with a submissive, demand the above rather than hope for it? I'd be the same as Starbuck - and indeed have been. On my last date with a dominant I paid for everything (though I actually didn't recall that till a while after). I'm well aware of the argument that by 'retaining control of my wallet I'm retaining my power' and I've followed it with interest here. But I don't find it relevant. I think certain men - many men, like me - would feel that it would kill the romance of it all to go down that road. We can't allow that sense of romance to be killed, not even for the sake of satisfying D/s desires.

PeonForHer -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/28/2009 11:00:55 AM)
Oh, Peon, are you being deliberately obtuse? I meant that no one was arguing that YOU don't want a relationship based on money. You've said it ad nauseum. Oh sorry again, then,V. Sometimes I'm not sure who you are accusing of what.

LaTigresse -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/28/2009 11:04:30 AM)
Well, paint it with romance all you want, but it is still a retention of power by doing so.

PeonForHer -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/28/2009 11:18:32 AM)
Well, paint it with romance all you want, but it is still a retention of power by doing so. Agreed - it is a retention of power. However, the phrase 'paint it with romance' makes me wonder if you - and perhaps many others - underestimate just how crucial that 'sense of romance' can be. The argument about 'retention of power' doesn't contradict it and sweep it away. It talks right past it, without touching it. It's a huge shame that the word 'romance' has acquired its 'fluffy bear and chocolate box' overtones in recent decades.

Venatrix -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/28/2009 11:19:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Oh, Peon, are you being deliberately obtuse? I meant that no one was arguing that YOU don't want a relationship based on money. You've said it ad nauseum. Oh sorry again, then,V. Sometimes I'm not sure who you are accusing of what. Look, let's make it easy: I am always accusing you of everything. In fact, everyone else (males, females, hermaphrodites, etc.) should also accuse you of everything. Now that we've got that out of the way, we can move on.

SaharahEve -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/28/2009 11:22:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse quote: ORIGINAL: Starbuck09 Having said that Venatrix I will have to do so much later on as I off entertaining a young[ish] lady now. We're going to the botanical gardens followed by a hopefully fun couple of hours watching Bruno. I'll pay for both, including a large raspberry ice blast for her as usually she pinches mine halfway through a film, because I enjoy treating her though not because it is expected or demanded of me. If that attitude is interpreted as me being fearful of women or full of hatred towards them then I will live with it no matter how upsetting or offensive such judgments are. What you are not understanding Starbuck is that, in the above, you are still retaining the power. Why is it so horrible to imagine that a dominant woman, the person that is SUPPOSED to have the power in a relationship with a submissive, demand the above rather than hope for it? The entire point of submission is to submit to the demands of the dominant. I think we can all agree and respect there are different levels of submission; however, the primary motivation for the submissive is to relinquish its power and serve the commands of the dominant. Two complementary personalities wherein one wishes to obey and the other wishes to command.

Venatrix -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/28/2009 11:30:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SaharahEve Two complementary personalities wherein one wishes to obey and the other wishes to command. Oh, no, that won't do at all. That's far too reasonable and makes too much sense. You'll never get a 40-page thread out of thinking like that.

PeonForHer -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/28/2009 11:32:23 AM)
Now that we've got that out of the way, we can move on. Are you accusing me of not being able to move on?

Venatrix -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/28/2009 11:34:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Now that we've got that out of the way, we can move on. Are you accusing me of not being able to move on? Yes.

LaTigresse -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/28/2009 11:44:46 AM)
If it were possible, these threads would not exist, let alone go on to 30+ pages and counting.[:D]

PeonForHer -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/28/2009 11:48:32 AM)
Oh gawd no, we couldn't have that. Things between people can't be allowed to evolve naturally.

mnottertail -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/28/2009 11:50:06 AM)
I was a thinkin' it, but you're a sayin' it, Peon!!!! LOL

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