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RE: THERE IS NO GOD IN SPACE BUT LIFE IS UBIQUITOUS - 8/14/2009 8:16:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is a significant amount of life in the universe and not just on the planet Earth. As far as the word ubiquitous goes I was just quoting one of the men in the video, that is how he described it. I myself certainly don't think it's everywhere at once. I suppose at once means at the same time and I don't think that's possible.

But there is a lot more life out there from what we are told in the Bible. The Bible was written by people who didn't know anything about science 2000 years ago and we need to stop believing in nonsense like Santa Claus and God. God is Santa Claus for adults.

We used to believe the earth was flat for crying out loud! Believing in God is as stupid as believing the earth is flat. For you people who believe in God why don't you believe the earth is flat?

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RE: THERE IS NO GOD IN SPACE BUT LIFE IS UBIQUITOUS - 8/14/2009 8:26:58 PM   
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There is a significant amount of life in the universe and not just on the planet Earth.

OK Brain,what proof is there of life other than on earth. Surely so momentous a discovery would have received some coverage, and I don't recall any. Perhaps you are just making shit up?

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RE: THERE IS NO GOD IN SPACE BUT LIFE IS UBIQUITOUS - 8/14/2009 11:19:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Other planets in the universe are made up of the same shit as the planet Earth and Mars. There are billions of galaxies in the universe, billions. In those billions of galaxies it doesn't make any sense that there is not somewhere a planet similar to ours which can support life. If it doesn't make sense it is a lie.

Today they have not proven there is life on another planet but they will in the future. I don't have to prove the earth is not flat because I know it isn't and I don't have to prove the sky is blue because I know it's blue. If you can't tell that the sky is blue it's not my problem. So if you can't appreciate enough of astronomy or how the universe developed and evolved to understand that there is life out there I can't help you.

IT IS out there, life, and in the future they will prove it. I can't prove today somebody will win the lottery next week but I know it's going to happen.

I think you know there is life out there and it's very likely they will prove it in the future, I hope in my lifetime, but I think you're just playing the devil's advocate to have fun with me.

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RE: THERE IS NO GOD IN SPACE BUT LIFE IS UBIQUITOUS - 8/14/2009 11:55:13 PM   
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I wanted to go to the moon and to explorer the solar system, when I was little.



So why did you not?


Not everyone gets to be an astronaut when they grow up. Not everyone gets to be a movie star when they grow up. Not everyone gets to be a CEO when they grow up.

Someone has to mop the floors and take out the trash, and who gets to do what is rarely within our control.

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RE: THERE IS NO GOD IN SPACE BUT LIFE IS UBIQUITOUS - 8/15/2009 12:02:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is pretty likely that there is life out there. Yet there is no evidence of it, at all. My understanding is that most of the matter in the Universe is in the Galactic centers, where it is way to hot and unstable for life as we concieve of it. And freqeunt explosions of massive radiation that would sterilise huge parts of the Galaxy at a time, in the outer areas.

You can have faith that there is life out there, and there is no God (not the 2 conflict in any way). But it's not based on Science to believe so. You Do have to prove things to claim they are science based. Though I suppose we can disagree on that.

The truth or falsity of things is not predicated on you understanding it. The wave particle duality, for example, or the appeareance of particles moving backward through time in particle accelerators, doesn't make sense, but is what the data shows.

You don't have to prove the earth is not flat, It has been proven.
The sky is not always blue, but again, it has been proven why it is often Blue

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RE: THERE IS NO GOD IN SPACE BUT LIFE IS UBIQUITOUS - 8/15/2009 1:38:33 AM   
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Other planets in the universe are made up of the same shit as the planet Earth and Mars. There are billions of galaxies in the universe, billions. In those billions of galaxies it doesn't make any sense that there is not somewhere a planet similar to ours which can support life. If it doesn't make sense it is a lie.

Today they have not proven there is life on another planet but they will in the future. I don't have to prove the earth is not flat because I know it isn't and I don't have to prove the sky is blue because I know it's blue. If you can't tell that the sky is blue it's not my problem. So if you can't appreciate enough of astronomy or how the universe developed and evolved to understand that there is life out there I can't help you.

IT IS out there, life, and in the future they will prove it. I can't prove today somebody will win the lottery next week but I know it's going to happen.

I think you know there is life out there and it's very likely they will prove it in the future, I hope in my lifetime, but I think you're just playing the devil's advocate to have fun with me.
Ah, so you take it on faith then? How is your belief in the existence of life elsewhere in the universe in the absence of any evidence any different than somebody's belief in a God in the absence of any evidence?
Saying that it is probable that there is life elsewhere in the universe is one thing, but to state that there is absolutely life elsewhere is not really any different than saying there absolutely is a God. I am not doing anything to have fun, I am simply pointing out to you that your position has no more scientific basis than the one you so roundly deride. You have made several sweeping statements of fact that have no actual basis in fact. They are beliefs, not facts. I am not playing devil's advocate, I am pointing out your intellectual dishonesty.


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RE: THERE IS NO GOD IN SPACE BUT LIFE IS UBIQUITOUS - 8/15/2009 3:00:43 AM   
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Well Brain,the reason I wanted you to explain is very simple. I have no sound on my computer at the moment, so watching videos is sort of pointless. Surely you can just explain how the existence of God is disproved by any scientific discipline. I maintain, that just as science cannot prove the existence of God, neither can it disprove his existence.


I would settle for an explanation of where consciousness comes from and where it goes where you sleep or are in a coma.

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RE: THERE IS NO GOD IN SPACE BUT LIFE IS UBIQUITOUS - 8/15/2009 3:06:16 AM   
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About killing yourself for Allah or capitalism or whatever, it's all bad. I don't necessarily expect much from capitalism or politics but I expect better from religion and God, if there is a God and I am certain there is not.



And what do you think about Romeo and Juliet? Or dying for your family or country?

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RE: THERE IS NO GOD IN SPACE BUT LIFE IS UBIQUITOUS - 8/15/2009 3:37:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well said, I couldn't find any flaw in your reasoning it was quite thoughtful. But probability tells me that with billions of galaxies out there, there has to be one planet, probably more, but it least one that is like ours and can maintain and sustain life.

It's like the lottery, I buy a ticket and I know my chances of winning the jackpot are virtually nil but I also know somebody somewhere will win, if not this week, the next week or the week after, or maybe the week after that. But it will happen, I know it will happen. And I can't prove it scientifically but I know there is a planet somewhere out in the universe like ours and someday in the future if we don't destroy ourselves from global warming or some similar catastrophe, someday in the future somebody will find that planet.

WATCH THIS:

Earth-Like Planet Discovered

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm2mmkUN1ss&NR=1

Researchers announced on Tuesday that they have discovered a new exoplanet that is more similar to Earth than anything ever seen before.

An international team from the European Southern Observatory says the solar system Gliese 581 revealed a new planet labeled "E", and it's the smallest exoplanet ever found.

Exoplanets are planets found outside our own solar system. While "E" is too hot and too close to the star it orbits around to be able to sustain life, one of its neighbors is located in the prime habitable zone.

The planet itself, however, is too large to be made of rocky material. [Gaspare Lo Curto, Astronomer]: "The planet on the outer rim is actually inside a zone that is defined as habitable, which is the zone where water could exist in a liquid state on the surface of the planet."

The first exoplanet was located 14 years ago, and so far over 340 more have been detected.

Most of them are giants similar to Jupiter or Saturn, and are extremely unlikely to support life.

The Gliese 581 "E", on the other hand, is only twice the size of Earth.

The researchers say their findings suggest Earth-like planets may be very common, but new technologies will be necessary to find them.

They have had some luck using radio waves or spectrographic measurements in the new HARPS system, but more advances are required. The new planets were found in the constellation commonly known as Libra, using the La Silla telescope in Chile.

When a planet orbits, it makes a star wobble very slightly, and which can be measured by a special instrument mounted on the La Silla telescope.

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RE: THERE IS NO GOD IN SPACE BUT LIFE IS UBIQUITOUS - 8/15/2009 3:55:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's not the same thing. When a person believes in God they are believing in something for which there is no scientific evidence whatsoever that God exists. It's hard for me to put into words but God only exists in that person's imagination. There isn't any scientific evidence that God exists.

Now when you're talking about finding life out in the universe on a planet similar to Earth there is some evidence this is possible. With God there is no evidence this is possible and there never will be any evidence because it, God, doesn't exist except as a fantasy in a person's mind.

Earth-Like Planet Discovered
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm2mmkUN1ss&NR=1

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RE: THERE IS NO GOD IN SPACE BUT LIFE IS UBIQUITOUS - 8/15/2009 3:57:31 AM   
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RE: THERE IS NO GOD IN SPACE BUT LIFE IS UBIQUITOUS - 8/15/2009 4:22:08 AM   
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Now when you're talking about finding life out in the universe on a planet similar to Earth there is some evidence this is possible. With God there is no evidence this is possible and there never will be any evidence because it, God, doesn't exist except as a fantasy in a person's mind.



Life's possibilities are in the mind. No evidence required. There are many things that we now have that were believed impossible. Two words for you. Bumble bee.

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RE: THERE IS NO GOD IN SPACE BUT LIFE IS UBIQUITOUS - 8/15/2009 4:50:29 AM   
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I wanted to go to the moon and to explorer the solar system, when I was little.



So why did you not?


Not everyone gets to be an astronaut when they grow up. Not everyone gets to be a movie star when they grow up. Not everyone gets to be a CEO when they grow up.

Someone has to mop the floors and take out the trash, and who gets to do what is rarely within our control.

 
If people want to give up, that is up to them.  I could be poor and destitute had my great gran not fought to leave the poor house and believe she could achieve what she wanted.
 
If you haven't guessed I disagree but regardless - I don't believe that stops you trying.  As he said himself, he didn't try.
People bang on about personal responsibility - but in a case like this - now apparently self responsibility doesn't matter because 'we' don't get a choice?   Our 'fate' is designed bu someone else?
 
You don't get it both ways.
 
Are you suggesting that other people define your fate?  What's the difference in that and a religious person suggesting that god defines our fate.
 
Either way then, we have shit all choice?
 
If it wasn't so sad that people think like that, I would laugh.
 
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RE: THERE IS NO GOD IN SPACE BUT LIFE IS UBIQUITOUS - 8/15/2009 6:03:13 AM   
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Other planets in the universe are made up of the same shit as the planet Earth and Mars.



No they're not. Take for example the Jovian planets of Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune. Jupiter and Saturn are known as gas giants as they are composed mainly of gases (hydrogen with traces of helium) then you have the 'ice giants' Uranus and Neptune, consisting of water, ammonia and methane.

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I don't have to prove the sky is blue because I know it's blue.



No it isn't. It's black. It's only the gases in our atmosphere and the light from the sun which make it appear blue.


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If you can't tell that the sky is blue it's not my problem. So if you can't appreciate enough of astronomy or how the universe developed and evolved to understand that there is life out there I can't help you.



I think I was eleven years old when a certain Mr Nicholson, who taught sciences at the school I was attending, explained to us that though we think the sky is blue it isn't and he explained to us what the atmosphere is made up from and how this is related to light so that we think it is blue.

ETA: Might I suggest you check out the Wikipedia article on Rayleigh Scattering to learn more about why the sky appears to be blue when it actually isn't.

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RE: THERE IS NO GOD IN SPACE BUT LIFE IS UBIQUITOUS - 8/15/2009 9:00:26 AM   
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And I can't prove it scientifically but I know there is a planet somewhere out in the universe like ours and someday in the future if we don't destroy ourselves from global warming or some similar catastrophe, someday in the future somebody will find that planet.
No you don't KNOW it, you believe it. Very strongly, perhaps,but still only a belief.

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Now when you're talking about finding life out in the universe on a planet similar to Earth there is some evidence this is possible. With God there is no evidence this is possible and there never will be any evidence because it, God, doesn't exist except as a fantasy in a person's mind.
Now you are finally starting to be honest.There is some evidence that life on other planets is possible. Note that the evidence is only that life is possible, not that it exists. Your link, while very interesting, really proves nothing. They have discovered 2 new planets, neither of which is even remotely likely to be able to support life.
You are entitled to your opinions, but please refrain from stating as fact things for which there simply is no factual basis.


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RE: THERE IS NO GOD IN SPACE BUT LIFE IS UBIQUITOUS - 8/15/2009 9:17:12 AM   
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hey Brain, I'm still waiting for you to show me how astronomy, physics and evolutionary biology disprove the existence of God. You said it, at least try to explain it.


well obviously as some of the greatest in the field were religious or at least interested in theological and spiritual ideas to some extent (Newton, Einstein, Planck, Darwin... )

but reason can not find an answer to that, at the best it can get to agnosticism, religion is (maybe more like art) in a different and less rational field I'd say though we do have the need to rationalize everything, more civilized we are more we need it so we develop all the theologies and stuff, but it is basically something else, rational mind can not find an answer to that, there is always a contra-argument to everything.

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RE: THERE IS NO GOD IN SPACE BUT LIFE IS UBIQUITOUS - 8/15/2009 9:18:57 AM   
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And that car the Tesla, it's electric...

another scientist involved in mysticism and religion  :D

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RE: THERE IS NO GOD IN SPACE BUT LIFE IS UBIQUITOUS - 8/15/2009 9:36:41 AM   
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It's not the same thing. When a person believes in God they are believing in something for which there is no scientific evidence whatsoever that God exists. It's hard for me to put into words but God only exists in that person's imagination. There isn't any scientific evidence that God exists.


not so long ago there was no scientific evidence that gravity exists or that the world is not flat .. :D

not heaving proved something or not being able to prove it does not exclude the possibility of its existence. Besides, I'm not sure there is no God in some scientific theories either. I hope there is someone here with a little more knowledge on modern theorethical physics, but If I remember correctly one of the scientific (not theological) theories trying to explain things "beyond big bang" has something like an idea of God behind it. Another one tries to explain it with the idea of multiple (11) dimensions and universes (the string theory and so on) that is almost as "mystical" as religion, even though it can be explained with formulas and numbers.

I'm not propagating theism btw, it just that neither existence nor non-existence of God can be proved by scientific methods. We could speculate that to be able to understand and explain something one has to be "above" it, that is to be able to control the subject of his research.. If something is by definition of a higher nature than the researcher, his knowledge and equipment he is by definition not able to make any research o that subject.It would be like a frog trying to understand humanity.


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RE: THERE IS NO GOD IN SPACE BUT LIFE IS UBIQUITOUS - 8/15/2009 10:34:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		"It's not the same thing. When a person believes in God they are believing in something for which there is no scientific evidence whatsoever that God exists. It's hard for me to put into words but God only exists in that person's imagination. There isn't any scientific evidence that God exists.
Now when you're talking about finding life out in the universe on a planet similar to Earth there is some evidence this is possible. With God there is no evidence this is possible and there never will be any evidence because it, God, doesn't exist except as a fantasy in a person's mind.
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The reason its hard to put into words is that while it sort of looks like Logic, it's rhetoricall bullshit. You are swiching terms. I highlighted them.

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RE: THERE IS NO GOD IN SPACE BUT LIFE IS UBIQUITOUS - 8/15/2009 12:07:30 PM   
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We used to believe the earth was flat for crying out loud! Believing in God is as stupid as believing the earth is flat. For you people who believe in God why don't you believe the earth is flat?


I'm not sure... at least not as sure as I am of your chances for compensation from the places where you received your education.


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