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Actually, I believe I was the one who said that religious people are insane... (or at least irrational) I stand behind that. God, Jesus, and Satan himself...
of course, the thing here is that rational part of us is only a part, overemphasizing it isn't the best thing we can do in my opinion. Do you listen to music? Why? It is not rational, you do not analyze it alike a computer would but just enjoy "irrationally"...
Jung considerd religions to be an important connection between the conscious and subconscious mind, something that permits a "healthy exchange" between the two because when one is pure ratio he becomes "empty" while when someone has uncontrolled subconscious content getting out in the daily life he becomes mentally sick. Hence all ths "irraional" activities that are actually nattural and all prevasie to the humans, it is just the rational part of us that has problems with it, but as we are not just the ratio if we turn off everything else that is not the healthiest thing to do either. In his opinion it is precisely this human rationalization that forces people like him to develop psychoanalytical methods, as we lost to a great extent this traditional ways of dealing with the deeper parts of the mind.
Anyway if we are going to quote scientist let's quote a little of Einstein too.. The thing here is that when it comes to religion it is always a personal choice, it is not that being a popular and successful scientist makes you understand religion better, believe more or less.. it's a different area and you can quote atheists and theists and anything in the middle from between them, I'm not really sure why are we doing it at all and why should that be important to anyone, one should refer to Einstein if he is discussing physics, not religion.. but anyway if we are going to quote them as some kind of authorities here are some interesting opinions on the subject from Einstein:
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Do you believe in God? "I'm not an atheist. I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws."
Is this a Jewish concept of God? "I am a determinist. I do not believe in free will. Jews believe in free will. They believe that man shapes his own life. I reject that doctrine. In that respect I am not a Jew."
Is this Spinoza's God? "I am fascinated by Spinoza's pantheism, but I admire even more his contribution to modern thought because he is the first philosopher to deal with the soul and body as one, and not two separate things."
Do you believe in immortality? "No. And one life is enough for me."
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up and later published. It concluded with an explanation of what he meant when he called himself religious: "The most beautiful emotion we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion that stands at the cradle of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead, a snuffed-out candle. To sense that behind anything that can be experienced there is something that our minds cannot grasp, whose beauty and sublimity reaches us only indirectly: this is religiousness. In this sense, and in this sense only, I am a devoutly religious man."
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But throughout his life, Einstein was consistent in rejecting the charge that he was an atheist. "There are people who say there is no God," he told a friend. "But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support of such views." And unlike Sigmund Freud or Bertrand Russell or George Bernard Shaw, Einstein never felt the urge to denigrate those who believed in God; instead, he tended to denigrate atheists. "What separates me from most so-called atheists is a feeling of utter humility toward the unattainable secrets of the harmony of the cosmos," he explained.
In fact, Einstein tended to be more critical of debunkers, who seemed to lack humility or a sense of awe, than of the faithful. "The fanatical atheists," he wrote in a letter, "are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who--in their grudge against traditional religion as the 'opium of the masses'-- cannot hear the music of the spheres."
Einstein later explained his view of the relationship between science and religion at a conference at the Union Theological Seminary in New York. The realm of science, he said, was to ascertain what was the case, but not evaluate human thoughts and actions about what should be the case. Religion had the reverse mandate. Yet the endeavors worked together at times. "Science can be created only by those who are thoroughly imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding," he said. "This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of religion." The talk got front-page news coverage, and his pithy conclusion became famous. "The situation may be expressed by an image: science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
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