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RE: Why I cannot attain elected office - 8/16/2009 8:32:51 PM   
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Spineless flip-flopping.


Ice cream has no spine that I am aware of. Some forms do have a hard chocolate covering, but no spines.


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RE: Why I cannot attain elected office - 8/16/2009 9:30:07 PM   
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Can I start knocking on doors now? I will say that the other candidate will supply bad ice cream if you vote him. I will also say that his family hates ice cream and that they like sherbet and frozen yogurt. Yuck! 

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RE: Why I cannot attain elected office - 8/16/2009 9:35:38 PM   
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No negative campaigning in the door-knocking!  You are there to smile, hand them the literature/flyer, tell them that Musicmystery is about good ice cream and the American Way, and go hit the next door.  If they have specific questions, get the name and number and somebody will cal them.

Make sure your crew all have decent personal hygiene, too.  Ron Paul has never managed to grasp that, and look how far it has gotten him.

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RE: Why I cannot attain elected office - 8/16/2009 11:05:42 PM   
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Oh Snap!

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Spineless flip-flopping.



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RE: Why I cannot attain elected office - 8/17/2009 8:12:10 AM   
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but what kind of ice cream do you like?


Well, let me be clear. As much as I appreciate all forms, all varieties and flavors of ice cream, I realize there is no one favorite to be had. Now that being said, there is a substantive difference in the forms of ice cream I like and why I like them. So to be clear, I like ice cream, just as any American would. But we need to get this country back to what I know it can be. With ice cream for everyone who wants ice cream. And that is what I would like to see happen.



I see a diplomatic post in your future.....


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RE: Why I cannot attain elected office - 8/17/2009 8:16:01 AM   
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He is probably writing it as we speak a post about diplomacy.

edited to big up da font.

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RE: Why I cannot attain elected office - 8/17/2009 6:56:43 PM   
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No negative campaigning in the door-knocking!  You are there to smile, hand them the literature/flyer, tell them that Musicmystery is about good ice cream and the American Way, and go hit the next door.


Rich is right. No one in my campaign will go negative, or they're out.

All negative campaigning will go through our surrogate groups, like the framers of the Constitution intended.

That reminds me...gotta make sure those papers got filed to start the Framers of the Constitution group.

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RE: Why I cannot attain elected office - 8/19/2009 5:45:37 AM   
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OK, in keeping with the fun but serious purpose in looking at the nature of political discourse genesis of this thread--

Let's see where my election campaign stands.

I expect to carry my home state of NY -- that's 31 electoral votes. Likewise, I expect GreedyTop to bring along Florida, another 27 votes, and if I didn't think Rich could deliver California's 55 votes, I'd fire him. Further, since my campaign began after I was caught with Ben & Jerry's, I think we can count on Vermont's 3 votes. That's 116 out of 538 electoral college votes--almost 22% of the vote already, with just that!

Now, given that my campaign is about good ice cream and the American way, I think we can count on dairy states--after all, the Dairy Lobby is a powerful force. According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, each of these states have dairy as their #1 commodity, and produce in terms of total receipts in this order (i.e., importance to that state): California (already counted), Idaho (4 votes), Maine (4 votes), Michigan (17 votes), New Mexico (5 votes), New York (already counted), Pennsylvania (21 votes--and an important swing state!), Vermont (already counted), Washington (11 votes), and Wisconsin (10 votes). That's now 188 votes--almost 35% of the vote!

Sugar is another important lobby--just as milk has strong price supports, imported sugar is subject to heavy tariffs, and domestic sugar is heavily subsidized (world wide, sugar is cheap). Most sugarcane production in the United States occurs in Florida (already counted--but an important swing state) and Louisiana (9 votes), and to a lesser extent in Hawaii (4 votes) and Texas (34 votes). 235 votes total--almost 44%. If we add major sugar beet producing states: Minnesota (10 votes), Idaho (already counted), North Dakota (3 votes), Michigan (already counted), Montana (3 votes), and Wyoming (3 votes)--we have 254 votes, 47% of the vote.

Since I was caught eating Cherry Garcia on peach pie, we might count on cherry and peach producing states. Major cherry producers are Michigan (already counted), Washington (already counted), Utah (5 votes), New York (already counted), Wisconsin (already counted), Pennsylvania (already counted), Oregon (7 votes), California (already counted), Idaho (already counted), and Montana (already counted). Add the three largest peach producing states, California (already counted), South Carolina (8 votes) and Georgia (15 votes), and we have 289 votes--almost 54% of the vote, and a clear win (more than Bush won either time) by carrying just those 22 states.

And I think we'll do far better. This is a map that cuts across "red" states and "blue" states, something that will appeal to those all important independent voters. We have the hispanic vote and the youth vote. We have supporters of the causes Ben & Jerry's promote. All that produce promotion will certainly win the support of the Teamsters. If I play up sugarcane ethanol as part of an energy platform and bundle it with corn ethanol, I'll have additional support from Colorado (9 votes), Illinois (21 votes), Indiana (11 votes), Iowa (7 votes), Kansas (6 votes), Kentucky (8 votes), Maryland (10 votes), Michigan (counted), Minnesota (counted), Mississippi (6 votes), Missouri (as goes Missouri, so goes the nation...11 votes), Nebraska (5 votes), New York (counted), North Carolina (15 votes), North Dakota (counted), Ohio (capturing the final swing state--20 votes), Pennsylvania (counted), South Dakota (3 votes), Tennessee (11 votes), Texas (counted), and Wisconsin (counted).

That's 432 votes, winning those 36 states at least, for just over 80% of the vote--better than any president since Reagan.

As my favorite cereal is reportedly Shredded Wheat, that will strengthen our support in major wheat producers Washington, Idaho, and Oregon. And with all that emphasis on agriculture, we'll have strong support from petrochemicals too--campaign contributions will roll in, allowing us to focus a campaign on the rest of the states. As Rich noted earlier, we also have the "health-nut" non-partisan voters, another important independent block. Let's not forget the Dead Heads--Baby Boomers are aging, and older voters are more likely to vote.

Additionally, as Vendaval has pointed out, speech and appearance are important. Well, I'm already an excellent public speaker, including thinking on my feet, and Rich is working on my appearance, starting with my profile avatar. I'm also Internet saavy, so we can tie in to that important new channel, for both contributions and distributing information. We'll run away with this election.

Oh, and yes, I actually have positions, proposals and plans--on education, health care, labor management, government reform, economics (domestic and international), trade, the environment, security, defense, the wars, revamping social security and medicaid/medicare, natural resource management and conservation, agriculture (starting with species diversification, which we ignore), energy, housing, disaster preparedness, international relations and more. I believe the government should stay out of social conventions--the bedroom, abortion and so forth. I support freedom of religion but firmly believe it should be separate from government. I favor lean government but also feel it needs the resources and funding to do its job. I believe justices and judges should be chosen for their judicial talents and impartiality, not their party affiliation and specific positions. I favor free access to firearms but with reasonable controls and regulation--including limiting semi-automatics. And I believe we are headed for a deep economic crisis if we don't address continuing problems with much of the above--including spending more when we have to do so, even as I strongly feel we need to get our budget, national debt and trade deficit under control and on the path to balanced. And I don't think we can tax cut our way out of it.

And after all, the entire above election strategy is rooted in economics. Superficial connections and special interests will get me elected. Small minded adherence to turf and pet issues will sink us, however, in the long run, and our political discourse needs to rise above that level before we elect ourselves into oblivion.

I'm asking for your vote--because everyone deserves good ice cream of his or her choice. It's the American way.





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RE: Why I cannot attain elected office - 8/19/2009 6:42:52 AM   
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Tim.. ya gotta think how to rope in the corn states...  Iowa, NEbraska, etc....  Kansas is good for sunflowers, if we can get that sorted, as well....

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RE: Why I cannot attain elected office - 8/19/2009 7:15:20 PM   
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Tim.. ya gotta think how to rope in the corn states...  Iowa, NEbraska, etc....  Kansas is good for sunflowers, if we can get that sorted, as well....


GT, I think we're good---here are the ingredients from a Cherry Garcia pint:

Cream, skim milk, liquid sugar, water, cherries, egg yolks, sugar, corn syrup, coconut oil, high fructose corn syrup, cocoa (processed with alkali), cocoa, natural flavor, concentrated lemon juice, caramel and red cabbage extract (for color), guar gum, milkfat, soya lecithin, carrageenan.

North Dakota, South Dakota, Kansas, Texas and Nebraska are all major sunflower producers. I could sprinkle some seeds on my ice cream, not even mention it, let the youtubers pick it up and run with it. Good idea!

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RE: Why I cannot attain elected office - 8/20/2009 6:00:23 AM   
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RE: Why I cannot attain elected office - 8/20/2009 6:21:51 AM   
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I see a diplomatic post in your future.....


Naaah. Goofy/annoying funnyman/impressionist, maybe. Diplomacy.....not quite.


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RE: Why I cannot attain elected office - 8/20/2009 7:18:36 AM   
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well, the way you were obfuscating stuff... perfect for diplomat status....

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RE: Why I cannot attain elected office - 8/20/2009 12:08:58 PM   
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well, the way you were obfuscating stuff... perfect for diplomat status....


Well, let me be clear....

As much as I appreciate the sentiment, and suggestion that I could be a diplomate, I realize there is more to being a diplomat than being diplomatic. Now that being said, there is a substantive difference in the forms of diplomacy and why they're neccessary. So to be clear, I think diplomacy certainly has its place, just as any American would. And we need to find that place, and embrace it. But I may be or my not be the one to find that place. My place is where my place has always been. And I think that is the best place for me to be.


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RE: Why I cannot attain elected office - 8/20/2009 8:08:54 PM   
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It's a nice plan, Muse.  If only we could implement it in a vacuum.  Unfortunately, everybody else who wants the same job also has a plan.  Part of their plan is making sure not enough of the voters vote for us.  How do we deal with that? 


Why you cannot attain elected office has nothing to do with any of the reasons and fun distractions of the OP.  You just don't strike me as the guy who craves power more than anything else.  Politicians might have different rationalizations for why they want the power, and different ideas of what they will do with it, but they all want it.  You, I think, want naked women and a few trees to tie them to once in a while.



It's a fun plan, Muse, right up to the point where every other candidate does a photo OP with ice-cream, and, except for the moron who gets his picture taken with neapolitan sherbert up his nose, they start beating you in the polls.  What then?


What's this about firing anybody who goes negative?  That's what I said I was going to do, right before you hired me.  I seem to recall a word for that...  You've read more than three of my posts around here by this point, Muse, what do you figure are the chances of me not blasting somebody along the way? 
 

You did read the fine print before sending my retainer, right? (speaking of...)




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RE: Why I cannot attain elected office - 8/21/2009 9:30:12 AM   
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Hi Rich,

You're right, I'm not power crazed. But I do firmly recognize that political reality is economics, and political discourse is distraction--as the OP notes. Our official plan is just the veneer. And yes, they'll all be chugging down pints of fruity flavors as soon as the polls hit (that's why the sneak attack on the sunflower seeds angle). But they'll be playing the wrong game.

Yes, you did, right from the start, said you'd fire anyone going negative, and that's in part why I hired you. Let them eat cake and ice cream for all I care, photo op after photo op, giving press conferences with stains on their ties. It won't matter.

This is also why your retainer is slightly delayed. While those clowns are spending more cents than they have on negative TV ads, I've been stashing ours aside and spending every dime of soft money on buying up ice cream stock. TV is dead. Let them dump their cash there. I'm also buying up Big Milk--all controlled by a system of dummy corporations headed by a financial company in the Cayman Islands, no links to us at all. You can't corner the market on an agricultural commodity, but you CAN control the corporate distribution, especially in dairy.

When we artificially squeeze supply, the price of ice cream will start to rise. Each week, a new high. We'll be on the front page every day, the lead story. Our opponents will never see it coming, and will be baffled, all wrapped up in their own rosy plans. Ice cream will approach $10/pint. We'll time it to hit just as we hit summer, and then blame increased demand as ice cream climbs to $15/pint. And even with the sharply reduced production, our profits will climb, and we'll add those funds to our soft money coffers.

Meanwhile, all that idle production has been turned to--electric ice cream makers. You can make them for just a couple bucks--they're mostly plastic. And we're gonna GIVE THEM AWAY! That's right--millions of them, all across America. We'll hit all states on the same day, and then continue it throughout the campaign. We are there for America! We come with solutions!

'Cuz Rich, somebody's gonna hit us on the health issue--obesity, cholesterol, fats and all that. But with an ice cream maker, people can make whatever they want. Load it up with fresh fruits and nuts! Use yogurt instead of milk! Make your own flavors as healthy as you wish! As often as you wish!

People will buy far more milk, cream and yogurt. Our milk profits will skyrocket--and we'll give some of this back to farmers, "generously" increasing their share that they've been seeking, while still increasing our own.

And then, after the excitement, we'll open supply and relax the prices. We'll be seen as the solution, lowering prices, when actually we're still well above where the prices started. People have short memories. Worked beautifully for oil! And with our emphasis on petrochemical dependent agriculture, a few quiet meetings with Big Oil will have them quietly on our side, their interests well served.

Throughout this all, we'll always have a "plan." We'll hire Loki to explain it to the American people, guaranteeing that no one will ever make sense of it...beyond that we have a plan. We'll quite publicly keep "finding" people jobs in our production facilities.

And our ice cream stock? People are lazy. After a few months, no body's gonna make their own ice cream. Hell, you can buy one on sale now for all of $20 bucks. They'll continue to buy ice cream--it's easier, and now only $6.79/pint--much cheaper!

No, I didn't forget about ads. TV is dead--except for Late Night Comedy, where you and I have both noted is where most Americans get their news. We could buy up all the add time--but money could still find slots. So WE'RE gonna buy the shows outright (again, with soft money), which will then nobly announce that they will NOT carry political ads of any kind! People will love it. The Internet will be abuzz. And of course, all the comedy and skits will recognize how we're good for America and the others are jokes. Let the opposition parties continue to buy up news media. Yesterday's news.

Drug Czar? Retainer? Rich, you get me through this, get me reelected, give me reasonable people instead of these ideological robots in Congress--and you can have Columbia.

You are right, btw--I am fond of the naked girls. I'm thinking those Dairy Princesses should have a place in my administration, at least once they're 18. Reach out across America and all that....and ya know, it's time somebody ran on the obvious "people like sex" platform, rather than pretending it goes against American values.

Because everyone deserves good ice cream. And good sex.





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RE: Why I cannot attain elected office - 8/21/2009 9:35:16 AM   
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Tim....  have we looked at the seniors and minority constituency?

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RE: Why I cannot attain elected office - 8/21/2009 9:58:32 PM   
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Tim....  have we looked at the seniors and minority constituency?


Well, we have the hispanic vote, and seniors love to get free stuff...

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RE: Why I cannot attain elected office - 8/21/2009 11:11:59 PM   
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Have we got the ranching states covered?  Montana, Wyoming?  Beef cattle and sheep mostly...

hmm.. that might be tough...


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RE: Why I cannot attain elected office - 8/21/2009 11:16:12 PM   
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go out to some sheep fucking festival, wear a hat, wave it around for the photographers, the country vote aint gonna affect the outcome.........but certainly, don't eat no turkey nuts or something when you got some chance of a picture being taken.


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