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Revisionist History? - 2/23/2006 10:40:08 PM   
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/21/politics/21reclassify.html

Perhaps it is my own rampant paranoia or maybe I am merely fueled by the fact that I have recently finished George Orwell's 1984 but this article scared the hell out of me. It would seem that the US government is now in the process of reclassifying secret documents that have already been released for the consumption of the general public. With my understanding of what is happening, after 25 years the government declassifies certain top secret documents that are deemed to not contain anything that could compromise national security. Historians and others have seen these documents and in some instances published them. Now the government is going back and reclassifying certain documents.

The most disturbing part of this is that what was once freely available is now not available. What got my attention was this:

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Among the 50 withdrawn documents that Mr. Aid found in his own files is a 1948 memorandum on a C.I.A. scheme to float balloons over countries behind the Iron Curtain and drop propaganda leaflets. It was reclassified in 2001 even though it had been published by the State Department in 1996.

Another historian, William Burr, found a dozen documents he had copied years ago whose reclassification he considers "silly," including a 1962 telegram from George F. Kennan, then ambassador to Yugoslavia, containing an English translation of a Belgrade newspaper article on China's nuclear weapons program.

One reclassified document in Mr. Aid's files, for instance, gives the C.I.A.'s assessment on Oct. 12, 1950, that Chinese intervention in the Korean War was "not probable in 1950." Just two weeks later, on Oct. 27, some 300,000 Chinese troops crossed into Korea.


In the book 1984 Winston Smith works at the Ministry of Truth. His job there was to change history to fit the government's current agenda. He did this by rewriting articles and other publications. History became whatever the government wanted it to be.

I am being brief in my description of 1984 but I think I hit the important highlights at least as I see it to pertain to this news article. With the "Patriot Act" Big Brother can be watching you. With the recent government attempts to get Internet search records from Google, even what we do in the privacy of our own home is subject to being monitored. I really do not think that I am being paranoid. If you put the recent headlines about wiretaps and this headline and the Google headlines the picture that I am beginning to see is indeed a frightening one. Has the US government gotten to the point of being far to invasive into our private lives? Are they using 9-11-2001 as a launching point for a government not by the people and for the people but for their own power and control? Is it possible that we are seeing the beginning of the end of freedoms and civil liberties as we know them right now? Are the people of the US ready to allow this sort of thing to happen not because we want it to, but because we are powerless to change it?

One final thought and then I will leave you with something more to ponder. I am not calling for a revolution but, perhaps, a reevaluation of how our government operates. Do we need to haul in the reigns of the governing bodies and let them know who they are supposed to be working for? A few years ago a group of people got together and put some thoughts on paper... I leave you with their thoughts:

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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,–That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."


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RE: Revisionist History? - 2/23/2006 10:47:49 PM   
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Another historian, William Burr, found a dozen documents he had copied years ago whose reclassification he considers "silly," including a 1962 telegram from George F. Kennan, then ambassador to Yugoslavia, containing an English translation of a Belgrade newspaper article on China's nuclear weapons program.


Back right after the FOI was passed and before the CIA got it revised I was able to get a copy of my file. Most of it consisted of stories I had written for AP in Cambodia which someone had pasted onto a 8.5x11 piece of paper and stamped "confidential." These were clipping from a newspaper.

Some people need a little sense.

Other parts were more interesting including the doctor's notes from when I was treated for torture.... research for the future?

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RE: Revisionist History? - 2/23/2006 11:05:57 PM   
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It's not that the government CAN watch you - it is that they ARE watching you.

This administration scares the shit out of me.

Almost literally.

I don't CARE what party they claim to be - it's the shit they are DOING. I'd be JUST as terrified if it was liberals or dems doing it and in some cases - it is.

America is no longer at this time what I consider to be a free country. Sure it is on paper. Well maybe not even that. They are restricting the arts. They are banning books. They are rewriting science (or trying to) and they are definitely rewriting history - the history books in high schools are blatently different than what I had in high school and REALLY different than what my folks had when THEY were in school.

They are trying to repeal the 22nd ammendment. It's gotten a LOT farther than I ever thought it would. You hear NO one screaming about that. At all. Not a single word. George is looking into trying to also see if he can run as vice to Jeb's presidency. Brothers Bush could easily be Big Brother, in my minds eye. Paranoid? Maybe. Unless I'm right.

Patriot Act is scary shit. It's one step to marital law.

Personally I see a civil war brewing unless certain things are burbed or unless they manipulate the American public to bow down to it without even realizing it.

I see a LOT of similiarities arising that arose during Hilter's regime. Paranoid? Not really. They are the same first steps that they took. If that same mentality takes over our government (and it seems to be going in that direction) - who will stop it? And if it's not the American people rising against it, and it's another country, say China or perhaps a bunch of countries - and they succeed in stopping us - America as we knew it or know it - is toast.

I just keep hoping I'm dead wrong and hella paranoid, and that I will be able to look back at this time on my life and laugh at my over-reaction.

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RE: Revisionist History? - 2/23/2006 11:07:37 PM   
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Cripes. burbed=curbed.

*sigh*

Bad Shadey - READ before hitting enter damnit. LOL.

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RE: Revisionist History? - 2/24/2006 12:03:24 AM   
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Gauge:

WW III is being fought right now: it is The Information War.

A favorite example: Yup, a completely staged event right down the rent a crowd.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2842.htm

And another: Fake rescue.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,956255,00.html

Another: Fake turkey.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A33090-2003Dec3?language=printer

And finally: The Last Fake - George in his pretend flight suit, collage of dead soldiers.
http://99.9thpercentile.com/images/mosaic/FlightSuit.png


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RE: Revisionist History? - 2/24/2006 12:43:56 AM   
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Cripes. burbed=curbed.

*sigh*

Bad Shadey - READ before hitting enter damnit. LOL.


don't forget marital =martial

That was even better

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RE: Revisionist History? - 2/24/2006 12:47:35 AM   
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It would seem that the US government is now in the process of reclassifying secret documents that have already been released for the consumption of the general public. With my understanding of what is happening, after 25 years the government declassifies certain top secret documents that are deemed to not contain anything that could compromise national security. Historians and others have seen these documents and in some instances published them. Now the government is going back and reclassifying certain documents.


But of course..... This is the most secret and stealthy administration in recorded history. The Bush administration has denied more FOIA requests than Slick Willy, his father and Reagan combined, all under the cloak of national security. They even exerted ''executive privilege'' when reporters filed FOIA requests during their secret energy summit/meetings with Ken Lay and the boys from Enron. To this very day... We are still unable to obtain transcripts from that meeting – What gives?


What should we learn from all this? -- Never turn your back or trust an oligarch. LMAO!




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RE: Revisionist History? - 2/24/2006 4:57:21 AM   
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. They even exerted ''executive privilege'' when reporters filed FOIA requests during their secret energy summit/meetings with Ken Lay and the boys from Enron. To this very day... We are still unable to obtain transcripts from that meeting – What gives?


At least now we know what they discussed. Just look at the price on the pump. No wonder they wanted it secret

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RE: Revisionist History? - 2/24/2006 10:13:22 AM   
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What pisses me off about this is people blaming "those dirty conservaties". All the dity conservatives I know are taking turns kicking each other in the ass for letting Bush do this while quiety stockpiling ammo.

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RE: Revisionist History? - 2/24/2006 11:42:08 AM   
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Did they vote for him twice?

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RE: Revisionist History? - 2/24/2006 12:02:31 PM   
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Nope most people I know voted liberitarian.

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RE: Revisionist History? - 2/24/2006 1:10:52 PM   
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Nope most people I know voted liberitarian.


Oh, so they voted for Bush.

We owe them and the Greens so much... someday we'll get a chance to pay it back.



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RE: Revisionist History? - 2/24/2006 1:23:41 PM   
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I would rather this not become a partisan issue. One side is no more or less guilty than the other. I am more concerned with the invasion of our private lives than I am with what political party is guilty. This stuff doesn't get done by just one person.

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RE: Revisionist History? - 2/24/2006 1:51:48 PM   
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Nope most people I know voted liberitarian.


Oh, so they voted for Bush.

We owe them and the Greens so much... someday we'll get a chance to pay it back.




Thats a pretty loaded statment, care to elaborate?

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RE: Revisionist History? - 2/24/2006 2:03:23 PM   
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Nope most people I know voted liberitarian.


Oh, so they voted for Bush.

We owe them and the Greens so much... someday we'll get a chance to pay it back.




Thats a pretty loaded statment, care to elaborate?


Nope, I'll just leave it loaded. After all, eye of the beholder and all that.

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RE: Revisionist History? - 2/24/2006 3:34:13 PM   
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Nope most people I know voted liberitarian.


Oh, so they voted for Bush.

We owe them and the Greens so much... someday we'll get a chance to pay it back.



As long as the majority believes we have a two party system that's all we'll ever have.




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RE: Revisionist History? - 2/24/2006 3:50:33 PM   
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I can't speak for John, but I think I know what he's getting at.

Third parties really just aren't working in the states so far. The Libertarians and the Greens have some great ideas but it is doubtful that their candidates have what it takes to win elections - and what it takes is candidate recognition which itself usually has a monetary cost. So what the third parties actually achieve is two-fold, they can potentially syphon off votes from the major parties and at least some of their more mainstream ideas will actually make it into the platforms of one of the two major parties - so while they operate on the fringe they inform the mainstream.

I think John was alluding to the vote siphoning issue - in this case votes for third parties could have gone to Gore or Kerry and actually prevented King George from taking office. Now maybe Gore and Kerry would only have been incrementally better than King George, but in my view better is still better. King George is a monstrosity coming and going.

But go ahead and throw away your votes on a still meaningless third party. I know one is supposed to vote one's conscious, but most of us just hold our noses and try to prevent the worst of two evils when we vote. It's a reality thing.

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RE: Revisionist History? - 2/24/2006 3:51:46 PM   
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As long as the majority believes we have a two party system that's all we'll ever have.


You have a plan to change the views of the MOR american voter? I am all eyes and ears...


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RE: Revisionist History? - 2/24/2006 4:18:47 PM   
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Nope most people I know voted liberitarian.


Oh, so they voted for Bush.

We owe them and the Greens so much... someday we'll get a chance to pay it back.



As long as the majority believes we have a two party system that's all we'll ever have.





It is a 2 party system, the democrats hold us down while the republicans screw us and vice versa :)

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RE: Revisionist History? - 2/24/2006 11:49:30 PM   
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So much for my topic. :::sigh:::

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