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RE: not another tribute thread - 8/23/2009 12:11:30 PM   
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For the same reason people pay for a prostitute or an escort service.  They get the service they want or need with no strings attached. Some want play partners but cannot find one (especially true for male subs).  others have no desire to have a real relationship but still want D/s play.
A guy once told me "you don't pay a prostitute for sex, you pay her to go away afterwards without any expectations." 

And that's how it works.
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ORIGINAL: Demetrius1029384

What I still don't understand is how it works.. I mean why would any man.. or woman.. PAY someone to use and abuse them.. or whatever... If someone wanted me to do things for them.. I'd be like you pay me.. not me pay you to boss me around.. I don't see how men and women can honestly PAY to be a slave to someone.. its just not sane really.. Are people really that desperate or just that dumb and ignant..


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RE: not another tribute thread - 8/23/2009 2:30:47 PM   
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A slave paying tribute to his Owner is consistent with the concept of one person's ownership, possession and control of a another.  If there's no ownership tho and instead it's just play, the man can hope to find a woman willing to play with him for free. But he has to be attracted to her on some level. Same for the woman, she has to find him interesting and attractive before she will play with him. That's the hard part for both. So some men prefer just to use money to find a woman who will thinking of that as a good enough reason to play with him because it's quicker than finding a willing woman sometimes.

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RE: not another tribute thread - 8/23/2009 4:23:59 PM   
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hi there am a slave looking for mistress to serve with all me heart and serv her willingly.am willing to do anything to make her a happy madam.hope to hear from u soon or u can send or add me at yahoo as  [email protected]  .byyyyy

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RE: not another tribute thread - 8/23/2009 4:33:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NoreenSwan

A slave paying tribute to his Owner is consistent with the concept of one person's ownership, possession and control of a another.  If there's no ownership tho and instead it's just play, the man can hope to find a woman willing to play with him for free. But he has to be attracted to her on some level. Same for the woman, she has to find him interesting and attractive before she will play with him. That's the hard part for both. So some men prefer just to use money to find a woman who will thinking of that as a good enough reason to play with him because it's quicker than finding a willing woman sometimes.


Once again, you always twist things into your own paradigm  and leave out the human element. I'll refrain from pointing out what I think are the errors in your thinking lest Mod 11 decides to give me another non-consensual whipping.




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RE: not another tribute thread - 8/23/2009 6:47:04 PM   
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Twisting huh? Twisting what? You can call it twisting if you want. That doesn't make it so. So anyone with a different opinion is "twisting" things? Or is that just another way to say you're unable to handle differences in opinions.

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RE: not another tribute thread - 8/23/2009 7:15:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: queencaliph

For the same reason people pay for a prostitute or an escort service.  They get the service they want or need with no strings attached. Some want play partners but cannot find one (especially true for male subs).  others have no desire to have a real relationship but still want D/s play.
A guy once told me "you don't pay a prostitute for sex, you pay her to go away afterwards without any expectations." 

And that's how it works.

 
The last 2 line of your post, are right on point.
 You are not paying a Professional Dominant only for her services, you are paying her to leave you alone and go away after you get your kinky desires taken care of.
No strings attached Domination!


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RE: not another tribute thread - 8/24/2009 5:57:56 AM   
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I don't find the idea of a pro-domme offensive, though I do find it mildly so to find them advertising on CM for free and then complaining about the replies they get. I realize that a good business will take free publicity wherever they can find it, but if you are going to come onto what is in effect a free dating site and advertise your business then you have to expect a little negative feedback. You get what you pay for girls, and you take the good with the bad. Your whining about it is both pointless and unseemly. If you don't like the sort of response you advertisement is getting from CM, well then pull your ad and demand your money back. Or better yet create a website and pay CM to put up an ad with a link to your site.....oh wait,that would actually cost you money wouldn't it.


There's two problems with that...

CM Openly allows advertisement on their site...just go back to the main forum page and scroll down. You'll see it there. This either creates an expectation that it's ok to advertise (which is against the TOS...supposedly) or they're setting up for ProDommes, who often finance events both educational and social, within the community. Never forget the community value of a successful ProDomme...She will give back. (A secondary problem to this little bit is: these Women are not the initiating contact, the guys are, and they're derogatory and mean and insulting in nature. How they act in their initial contact toward a ProDomme is how they're going to treat any Woman who asserts Herself. The Pro is just the easier target.)

The other problem with that is this: I pay for one ad in Dominatrix Directory International (DDI) once a year, because these guys don't ever get rid of their mags once they get them. My number is on there to filter phone calls and make appointments for the Ma'am. The guys calling from that have, in the past, fucked up enough that the editor made a note from the first quarter issues last year (2008) in the back reminding these men of proper etiquette. The problem guys looking for free playtime are everywhere. CM or not. Paid advertisement or not. Why, if this is the case, wouldn't these Women take the free ad? Mind you DDI sells quarter page ads for $125 and can do the ad make up for a nominal fee and distribute worldwide so it's not that bad of a price given that Ma'am's phone still rings from ads almost 10 years old.

And this is why that argument doesn't wash for me. Maybe it'll help with some insight.

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RE: not another tribute thread - 8/24/2009 6:06:29 AM   
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I believe you have in that short paragraph said more then has been said in everything written on this topic.
I know of no man who has not felt a sense of responsibility in upgrading and maintaining a financial worry free tranquil happy environment for the woman he is emotionally bound to. In fact, the sense of protectiveness is instinctive in the male and the passion to insure her well being rages within him. But that has absolutely nothing at all to do with D/s or the demands for dollars. I like you found no challenge or conflict with lavishing the woman in my life with her slightest whim and found great pleasure in doing so. In fact, I was even selfish about it and often bought her jewelry and apparel without telling her. I just put them in her jewelry box or hung them in her closet or put them in her underwear drawer because I wanted her to have them but if she would have demanded on dime from me...my buying her things would have come to a screeching halt and frankly before the words of demand were out of her mouth I would have been gone regardless of my emotional attachment. A woman can take the man out of manhood but no woman can take the manhood out of the man.



It's incredibly interesting to me that what this paragraph boils down to it..."I'll do what I want and if you communicate clear expectations and desires to me in regards to financial stuff, I'm gone." Call me whatever you want out of it, but that's a pretty shitty attitude to me. Then again, what do I know, I'm in a D/s relationship with a FemDomme.

boi

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RE: not another tribute thread - 8/24/2009 8:21:05 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BoiJen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arillis


I believe you have in that short paragraph said more then has been said in everything written on this topic.
I know of no man who has not felt a sense of responsibility in upgrading and maintaining a financial worry free tranquil happy environment for the woman he is emotionally bound to. In fact, the sense of protectiveness is instinctive in the male and the passion to insure her well being rages within him. But that has absolutely nothing at all to do with D/s or the demands for dollars. I like you found no challenge or conflict with lavishing the woman in my life with her slightest whim and found great pleasure in doing so. In fact, I was even selfish about it and often bought her jewelry and apparel without telling her. I just put them in her jewelry box or hung them in her closet or put them in her underwear drawer because I wanted her to have them but if she would have demanded on dime from me...my buying her things would have come to a screeching halt and frankly before the words of demand were out of her mouth I would have been gone regardless of my emotional attachment. A woman can take the man out of manhood but no woman can take the manhood out of the man.



It's incredibly interesting to me that what this paragraph boils down to it..."I'll do what I want and if you communicate clear expectations and desires to me in regards to financial stuff, I'm gone." Call me whatever you want out of it, but that's a pretty shitty attitude to me. Then again, what do I know, I'm in a D/s relationship with a FemDomme.

boi


Right with you, boijen!  Isn't doing what you want on your terms... dominance?  Just checking. 

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RE: not another tribute thread - 8/24/2009 8:40:59 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Arillis


I believe you have in that short paragraph said more then has been said in everything written on this topic.
I know of no man who has not felt a sense of responsibility in upgrading and maintaining a financial worry free tranquil happy environment for the woman he is emotionally bound to. In fact, the sense of protectiveness is instinctive in the male and the passion to insure her well being rages within him. But that has absolutely nothing at all to do with D/s or the demands for dollars. I like you found no challenge or conflict with lavishing the woman in my life with her slightest whim and found great pleasure in doing so. In fact, I was even selfish about it and often bought her jewelry and apparel without telling her. I just put them in her jewelry box or hung them in her closet or put them in her underwear drawer because I wanted her to have them but if she would have demanded on dime from me...my buying her things would have come to a screeching halt and frankly before the words of demand were out of her mouth I would have been gone regardless of my emotional attachment. A woman can take the man out of manhood but no woman can take the manhood out of the man.



Here's the funny part.

After all you've written condemning female Dominants that require tribute as a part of their personal arrangement, you wrote this reply in response to someone who is using the services of a professional dominant.  I really do hope you see the irony in that.


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RE: not another tribute thread - 8/24/2009 9:22:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus
Right with you, boijen!  Isn't doing what you want on your terms... dominance?  Just checking. 


Actually, that's a definition of "freedom".   Sorry, just thought I'd stir this stew up now that it's simmering nicely.

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RE: not another tribute thread - 8/24/2009 9:26:05 AM   
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You say that as though it's an invitation to whack you with a wooden spoon, peon.




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RE: not another tribute thread - 8/24/2009 9:27:08 AM   
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LadyH, Peon, and whoever else is reading,

The thing that tweeks my butt about that particular response is the guy says he's already doing x, y, and z. What's the problem with opening the lines of communication, the FemDomme stating what She desires and formalizing his actions and intention in a conscious, feed the relationship, D/s structured kinda way? Putting language around that, to me the natural word to come up is "tribute".

Just sayin...

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RE: not another tribute thread - 8/24/2009 9:37:20 AM   
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Personally, I have certain doubts on the validity of the comments to begin with.

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RE: not another tribute thread - 8/24/2009 9:43:23 AM   
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Lady Pact,

I do too, but for the sake of argument, I figured we could run with the notion that he may be voicing a truth.

boi


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RE: not another tribute thread - 8/24/2009 9:46:05 AM   
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You say that as though it's an invitation to whack you with a wooden spoon, peon.

I was born with a silver spoon whacking my arse, LP, and I'll accept nothing less now.

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RE: not another tribute thread - 8/24/2009 9:49:57 AM   
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I guess that means you'll be buying the toys, doesn't it, peon?

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RE: not another tribute thread - 8/24/2009 9:55:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

Lady Pact,

I do too, but for the sake of argument, I figured we could run with the notion that he may be voicing a truth.

boi



The only answer that I have for that might be the issue with the word itself.  The fact that one person would call it tribute and another would call it gift, or exchange, or whatever is where all of the fuss comes in.


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RE: not another tribute thread - 8/24/2009 9:55:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

LadyH, Peon, and whoever else is reading,

The thing that tweeks my butt about that particular response is the guy says he's already doing x, y, and z. What's the problem with opening the lines of communication, the FemDomme stating what She desires and formalizing his actions and intention in a conscious, feed the relationship, D/s structured kinda way? Putting language around that, to me the natural word to come up is "tribute".

Just sayin...

In Leather,

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I'm sorry, BoiJen, I'm exhausted with this issue.  For me, a gift is given completely, otherwise it's a demand and a 'tribute' is as near as damnit a synonym for a 'gift' (though I'd never use the word).  It seems that many dommes, however, are happy to attach some sense of 'demanding' to the word 'tribute'.  That wouldn't suit me, though it does seem to suit a certain number of subs.  My migraine from the last tribute thread still hasn't entirely abated; I'm not going to add to it now!

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RE: not another tribute thread - 8/24/2009 9:59:55 AM   
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I'll throw this in for good measure. 

The word demand falls into the category, too.  For example, if I say something to the effect of I would like lilacs in the house the next time that I visit, that can also be seen as a demand and a tribute.  It's a rather simple command.  No better or worse than any other kind of command I would give.


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