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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/24/2009 10:52:47 AM   
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No.  Because BDSMers are beautiful special flowers.  And we have NOTHING in common with kinky vanilla people.  They aren't as spiritual as us when they fuck.

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/24/2009 10:54:26 AM   
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If vanilla people are incorporating kink doesnt that by definition make them umm not vanilla?


Call it butterscotch - not exactly vanilla, not exactly anything else

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/24/2009 10:56:12 AM   
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If vanilla people are incorporating kink doesnt that by definition make them umm not vanilla?


Call it butterscotch - not exactly vanilla, not exactly anything else


Ahh, how wonderfully elitist of you


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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/24/2009 10:59:02 AM   
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If vanilla people are incorporating kink doesnt that by definition make them umm not vanilla?

Either that or it'd make kinksters more vanilla... given that the center of mass is more on the vanilla side. Of course, for either of those statements to be true, you'd need to be able to define either "kinky" or "vanilla" and I have no working definitions for either of those.


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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/24/2009 11:00:09 AM   
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If vanilla people are incorporating kink doesnt that by definition make them umm not vanilla?

Either that or it'd make kinksters more vanilla... given that the center of mass is more on the vanilla side. Of course, for either of those statements to be true, you'd need to be able to define either "kinky" or "vanilla" and I have no working definitions for either of those.



Like a recipe, you need to have this amount of kink mixed with this amount of fet to classify as non vanilla

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/24/2009 11:00:12 AM   
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No.  Because BDSMers are beautiful special flowers.  And we have NOTHING in common with kinky vanilla people.  They aren't as spiritual as us when they fuck.

perfect.


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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/24/2009 11:02:27 AM   
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If vanilla people are incorporating kink doesnt that by definition make them umm not vanilla?


Call it butterscotch - not exactly vanilla, not exactly anything else


Ahh, how wonderfully elitist of you



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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/24/2009 11:02:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally
If vanilla people are incorporating kink doesnt that by definition make them umm not vanilla?

Either that or it'd make kinksters more vanilla... given that the center of mass is more on the vanilla side. Of course, for either of those statements to be true, you'd need to be able to define either "kinky" or "vanilla" and I have no working definitions for either of those.



Hi Leadership!
Well, maybe we should start a thread to define kinky and vanilla....  it would be something a little different than always trying to define 'slave' vs.  'sub' !   *smiles*

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/24/2009 11:03:02 AM   
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Kinky is when you're giving me a blowjob, and I say, 'If your mother could see you now'. and then start face fucking the living dogshit outta ya.
Vanilla is when you're giving me a blowjob, and I don't move or say anything because I am afraid you will become petualant and cease the activity.

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/24/2009 12:22:19 PM   
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maybe we should start a thread to define kinky and vanilla....  it would be something a little different than always trying to define 'slave' vs.  'sub'


Define what you mean by "define...."

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/25/2009 2:14:39 AM   
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maybe we should start a thread to define kinky and vanilla.... it would be something a little different than always trying to define 'slave' vs. 'sub'


Define what you mean by "define...."


When it comes down to defining "kink" as opposed to "vanilla" and then defining "define" - I'm afraid i'm out.

I'm going over to the 'Twit my clit' thread for some intellectual stimulation.

Thanks

John

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/25/2009 2:25:10 AM   
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maybe we should start a thread to define kinky and vanilla.... it would be something a little different than always trying to define 'slave' vs. 'sub'


Define what you mean by "define...."


When it comes down to defining "kink" as opposed to "vanilla" and then defining "define" - I'm afraid i'm out.

I'm going over to the 'Twit my clit' thread for some intellectual stimulation.



*chortle*

Given the woefully dense nature of your "debating" attempts on this topic, I wouldn't go setting yourself up as an intellectual just yet, if I were you.

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/25/2009 2:38:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Gentlemanjohn9

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

maybe we should start a thread to define kinky and vanilla.... it would be something a little different than always trying to define 'slave' vs. 'sub'


Define what you mean by "define...."


When it comes down to defining "kink" as opposed to "vanilla" and then defining "define" - I'm afraid i'm out.

I'm going over to the 'Twit my clit' thread for some intellectual stimulation.



*chortle*

Given the woefully dense nature of your "debating" attempts on this topic, I wouldn't go setting yourself up as an intellectual just yet, if I were you.

Learning to recognize a joke would do him well too...though I suspect willful ignorance in this case.



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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/25/2009 11:15:22 AM   
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...I am glad you mention art because I host a wealth of information about the history of belly dance, slavery and harems. Including the related art. Odalisque with a capitol letter “O” refers to many of those paintings and it warms my heart to think of them. The most famous, Grande Odalisque was commissioned by Napoleon’s sister. See link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grande_Odalisque

Someone has painted a pretty nice version of the Grande Odalisque with Barbara Eden (star of the "I Dream of Jeannie" TV series). It's painted on a TV tray, I believe. I wish I could find a link to it, but, no go.


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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 10/11/2009 8:15:35 AM   
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My wife and I recently discovered this Code, and liked large portions of it. Of course not all of it could apply to us, and parts of the Code are more idealist than practical in my current situation. That's life. Like any of the styles in BDSM, one has to take the parts you can use and like, and leave the rest. It has to fit within your current life.... it's a life style. A style applied to life. M/s, Gor, Code d'Ode, poly or any other aspect of BDSM is still a style applied to one's life. The ideal of the style is still just an ideal. Life is always less than ideal, and we have to make do with what we can while still striving towards some ideal or another.

The style is fun. The flair, focus of training, and the lack of sadism works very well for us. Time will tell how long we will be able to practice it in our currently reality. Personally, I like the roleplay. Kinky roleplay was part of why I liked Gor for a long time, even if I did not like many other aspects of Gorean style.

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 10/11/2009 4:54:37 PM   
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Something for everyone, I suppose, but like so many here, it's not my bent. 


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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 10/12/2009 9:09:36 PM   
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Greetings All,

Whew!! I just read this entire thread. And for what it's worth, I will endeavor to put down all the thoughts that crossed my mind regarding the various responses, but this is going to be off the top of my head, because no way I'm going back and rereading this! OK... so first of all, my Master and I live a lifestyle that is loosely eastern in practice, and I am considered a pleasure slave. We aren't into sado masochism, so on the surface one would think that Code d'Odalisque would fit us. But I have read it in depth -the whole thing. And I have LOTS of problems with it- for me personally- in terms of the ways it simply doesn't fit with the type of slavery in which my Master holds me. Much of the code focuses on "play." While I acknowledge that many people here do play and seek play partners and there is nothing wrong with that, it does not fit my lifestyle. My life is not play. I live my life as a slave because that is simply the way I respond to my Master. I can't turn that on and off, it is who I am all the time. I also have issues with the whole forbidding the "odalisque" to do any other work. (and thank you to the several folks who pointed out that an odalisque is a chamber maid!) I can understand that in the grand harems of the orient, when there were many other servants in the palace, but this isn't very practical in our life. I serve my Master in whatever ways he needs. I may be a pleasure slave, but I am still laying out His clothes, cooking, helping with His business, what ever needs to be done and I like doing those things for Him. I find the code too focused on the nitty gritty- positions, ritual, rules and things- rather than having much underlying principle. In short, I find it superficial. To me, slavery isn't about all those things, and as someone pointed out, the Master is going to determine those things based on what works for Him. For me, living as a slave to a Man is about our life together, about the type of Man He is that makes me need to follow Him. It is about honor and truth and certain core beliefs that we share. Brava, BarelyNAngel! I totally agree! I do find sexuality is not something to be dismissed lightly when talking about slavery. When people say "it's just a sex thing" and somehow imply that therefore it's not real slavery, I think there is a distinction to be made. There is sex on the superficial rubbing-of-body-parts level, there can be a spiritual level to sex, and then there is the primal sexual need that drives us. Rubbing body parts, no there really isn't anything particularly slave-like in that by itself. But what compels me to my knees in the face of a dominant man, what makes me want to serve Him? My sexual programming on a primal level to submit. (I know not everyone is wired like me, but that is how it is for me). So basically what I like about the Code is that it offers an alternative for service that does not involve the sado masochism and dungeons. But, there are a number of others who also do not focus on sadomasochism- Goreans for one. And I don't know enough about 50s Lifestyle or Taken in Hand, but I suspect that could be true for them too. I also adore the Orientalist paintings, but beyond the aesthetics, I find the Code d'Odalisque falls short. I think living as a slave has a lot deeper significance to me than what the Code reduces it to. For us, we live our life and focus on our beliefs about life and men and women, and truth, and what seems right to us. We happen to prefer an eastern ambience, but that is really just aesthetics- like the decor in one's house. It's icing, it's not the cake itself.

OK, I hope that ended up somewhat coherent;)

regards,
anna

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 10/19/2009 11:57:50 AM   
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You have to open your mind to other traditions from other cultures.


This quote is so true! Thank you for posting it. CM is open to many different beliefs, BDSM, Gorean, even the Code can be here. Further I too find it refreshingly different.

Aramis Duval

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 10/19/2009 2:09:01 PM   
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Elitism: this thread has loads of it.

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