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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/23/2009 5:39:26 AM   
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No place for dominant females either?
( sorry didn't read the website yet)


"The only reason that only females can be odalisques is because of the nature of the service an odalisque provides and that a Slavekeeper demands"    Taken from section titled 'status of women'.  

Then we have this... 
"What is an odalisque for? Why would a man want to own one? What does a man do with one?
The short answer to these questions is that an odalisque is for FANTASY PROJECTION. An odalisque exists so that men can explore their sexual fantasies. The odalisque is a passive materia upon which the male (Slavekeeper) projects his "inner female", his inner fantasy woman. The odalisque makes herself - and allows herself to be made into - the woman of her Keeper's dreams. An odalisque does not pursue her own fantasies. She makes herself a willing puppet to be used in her Keeper's fantasies. Her task is to make herself into the fantasy female her Keeper has always dreamed about."  

So in other words, a woman who chooses to follow this path becomes nothing...except what her keeper jerks off to?   With the constant use of the word 'play', though, I'm left to wonder how long this sort of 'Stepford wife' life can last.  What happens when/if a woman wakes up and realizes she needs more than a cock to make her happy?

I find nothing new in this line of thinking and the sales pitch given on this site...much like 'Taken in Hand' or any other male-lead lifestyle choice.




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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/23/2009 5:44:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CarrieO

quote:

ORIGINAL: TurboJugend

No place for dominant females either?
( sorry didn't read the website yet)


"The only reason that only females can be odalisques is because of the nature of the service an odalisque provides and that a Slavekeeper demands"    Taken from section titled 'status of women'.  

Then we have this... 
"What is an odalisque for? Why would a man want to own one? What does a man do with one?
The short answer to these questions is that an odalisque is for FANTASY PROJECTION. An odalisque exists so that men can explore their sexual fantasies. The odalisque is a passive materia upon which the male (Slavekeeper) projects his "inner female", his inner fantasy woman. The odalisque makes herself - and allows herself to be made into - the woman of her Keeper's dreams. An odalisque does not pursue her own fantasies. She makes herself a willing puppet to be used in her Keeper's fantasies. Her task is to make herself into the fantasy female her Keeper has always dreamed about."  

So in other words, a woman who chooses to follow this path becomes nothing...except what her keeper jerks off to?   With the constant use of the word 'play', though, I'm left to wonder how long this sort of 'Stepford wife' life can last.  What happens when/if a woman wakes up and realizes she needs more than a cock to make her happy?

I find nothing new in this line of thinking and the sales pitch given on this site...much like 'Taken in Hand' or any other male-lead lifestyle choice.



To quote that great philosopher, Cartman; "it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy crap!"

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/23/2009 5:44:55 AM   
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"it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy crap!"



As a tree hugging hippy, I take offense to that

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/23/2009 5:46:16 AM   
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my inner female
never tried to finger my cock..seems painfull

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/23/2009 5:46:19 AM   
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"it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy crap!"



As a tree hugging hippy, I take offense to that


Feel free. It's your life too, remember

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/23/2009 5:47:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TurboJugend

my inner female
never tried to finger my cock..seems painfull


Oh the mental images there...ouch

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/23/2009 5:47:56 AM   
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"it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy crap!"



As a tree hugging hippy, I take offense to that


You beat me to it Lilly!    Let's leave the hippies out of this

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/23/2009 5:48:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TurboJugend

my inner female
never tried to finger my cock..seems painfull


Oh cheers for that! I was just about to tuck into lunch, but I don't think I'll bother now

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/23/2009 5:48:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally


quote:

ORIGINAL: TurboJugend

No place for dominant females either?
( sorry didn't read the website yet)


From what I have read, no


Dominant females may take the role of Trainer or Overmistress, but an odalisque is byu definition a submissive female and she serves a male Slavekeeper. But no doubt people can adapt ideas from this to their own needs if they like.

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/23/2009 5:52:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CarrieO

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ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally


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ORIGINAL: RapierFugue
"it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy crap!"



As a tree hugging hippy, I take offense to that


You beat me to it Lilly!    Let's leave the hippies out of this


Cartman: "Hippies. They're everywhere. They wanna save the earth, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad."

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/23/2009 5:53:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally


quote:

ORIGINAL: TurboJugend

No place for dominant females either?
( sorry didn't read the website yet)


From what I have read, no


Dominant females may take the role of Trainer or Overmistress, but an odalisque is byu definition a submissive female and she serves a male Slavekeeper. But no doubt people can adapt ideas from this to their own needs if they like.


So it's a set of rules, definitions and protocols, but they're all changeable anyway?

Dude, seriously; quit while you're behind.

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/23/2009 5:53:58 AM   
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Dominant females may take the role of Trainer or Overmistress, but an odalisque is byu definition a submissive female and she serves a male Slavekeeper. But no doubt people can adapt ideas from this to their own needs if they like.


But then surely it doesn't fit into a 'code' it is simply people living their life?

I actually think that the website gives an accurate description, it is a game, personally I don't view my relationships as games, but more power to those who do.

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/23/2009 6:01:39 AM   
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Dominant females may take the role of Trainer or Overmistress, but an odalisque is byu definition a submissive female and she serves a male Slavekeeper. But no doubt people can adapt ideas from this to their own needs if they like.


But then surely it doesn't fit into a 'code' it is simply people living their life?



The "Code" is maledom/femsub. If you or anyobody else want to adapt it to other arrangements you are free to do so, obviously. Is all I was saying.

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/23/2009 6:08:09 AM   
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The "Code" is maledom/femsub. If you or anyobody else want to adapt it to other arrangements you are free to do so, obviously. Is all I was saying.


Therefore making it not the code

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/23/2009 6:12:29 AM   
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The point being that this Code d' Odalisque is free on line along with a lkarge amount of additional free information. Readers here might like to ransack that material for anything they find useful or inspirational or even suggestive. I've found lots of useful stuff. Of course, you don't have to swallow the whole "Code" to find elements of it useful. And in its present form there it is maledom/femsub hetero. That is the model it uses. But you could always adapt it to your own bent. Who is going to stop you? SO - that's why I started this thread. To draw attention to these resources free on line. That's all. Use 'em if you like 'em. It goes without saying that this is not to everybody's taste...

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/23/2009 6:17:57 AM   
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SO - that's why I started this thread. To draw attention to these resources free on line.




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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/23/2009 6:18:06 AM   
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The "Code" is maledom/femsub. If you or anyobody else want to adapt it to other arrangements you are free to do so, obviously. Is all I was saying.


Therefore making it not the code


That would depend on the extent to which you adapted it. If for example you made the whole thing homoerotic with male Masters and slaves but you kept all the slave positions and etiquette and protocols and it was otherwise the same only gay then I think it would arguably still be a version of "Code d' Odalisque".

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/23/2009 6:19:42 AM   
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SO - that's why I started this thread. To draw attention to these resources free on line.







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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/23/2009 6:23:47 AM   
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SO - that's why I started this thread. To draw attention to these resources free on line.








I tried to find that one too, but couldn't see it on the list of smileys

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/23/2009 6:25:05 AM   
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From my collection of Code d' Odalisque material. I don't think its on the website. Couldn't find it.

***

An aspect of Code d’ Odalisque that is often misunderstood, especially by females, is the relationship between Master and slave and why - as the motto says - “Man is her Master but cock is her god!” What does this mean? What are the practical implications?

In much consensual slavery the female slave is led to form an extreme reverence for her Master. This goes far beyond the requirements of loyalty and obedience - it often takes the form of cultic worship. The slave, that is, reveres her Master as if he is a god. She loves him as a devotee loves a guru. The Slavemaster is idolized. In many cases, Masters expect this level of devotion - their slaves are expected to humble themselves as if before a god.

But Code d’ Odalisque does not indulge in this kind of personality cult. Instead, a slave’s devotion should be fixed upon COCK and not upon her Master. She must obey and be loyal to her Master. She is his servant. She obeys him and serves him.

But an odalisque is not expected to regard her Master as a god, merely as her owner and therefore the man she serves. Her god - the object of her devotion - is COCK. She is devoted to serving cock. That is, she is devoted to providing sexual pleasure. Her constant wish is that her Master lets her serve his cock. Cock is her focus. Her Master isn’t the focus of her devotion. He is the focus of her obedience, yes, but not of her devotion.

That is, she is not expected to give her heart and soul to her Master. Nor is she expected to love him. She just needs to respect him, obey him and be loyal to him at all times. But - as a cockslave - she must LOVE cock and give her heart and soul to cock. She is phallocentric. She thinks about cock, dreams about cock, drools about cock. Her mind is not flooded with her Master’s personality. She does not obsess about him. He understands that she is fixated upon cock. His job, as Slavekeeper to an odalisque, is to manage, manipulate, direct, orchestrate, exploit and above all ENJOY her cock fixation.

So this is a somewhat different arrangement than Master/slave relationships in other genres of consensual slavery. Slavekeepers are expected to keep their egos under control and not to place themselves at the centre of a slave’s devotions. A femsub has a natural (and beautiful) capacity for veneration, devotion and similar emotional states. In Code d’ Ode this should be directed to phallic worship and not to the person of the Master. The Master, rather, is one who controls and develops the slave’s fixations and phallic obsessions. The crucial thing is that he earns, and she extends to him, TRUST. Trust, as in any form of slave play, is the magic ingredient.

Slavery is always reverential. There is often a depth of attachment such that the reverence is quasi-spiritual. Slavery induces this level of emotion. It is a deep bond. So, instead of letting this drift into ego-worship, in Code d' Ode the urge to revere and venerate that is natural to a slave is directed to COCK. She is a cockslave. Cock is her god. Like any servant she is respectful to her Master, but she need not be devoted to him or treat him as a god. Cock is her god. She worships by fucking. Odalisque slavery has a different emphasis in this way.

In practical terms, the Master/slave relation in Code d' Ode is more "business-like" and less intense and totalitarian than in other forms of consensual slavery. Odalisques are more aloof, more independent of their Masters, than are other slaves.

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