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Apocalypso -> RE: Abortion (8/21/2009 5:13:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomImus Many of the very same people who support abortion would love to rid the nation of firearms. Many of the same people who are against abortion like to watch baseball. I heard it was non sequitur day or something. Seriously, I don't have a problem with guns. And in the context of the US specifically I argue that the left should have them because the right does, instead of arguing for gun control. (Arm the commies!) But it's such an obviously unrelated argument I can't help but mock it. I don't have the willpower to resist that easy a target.

Rule -> RE: Abortion (8/21/2009 6:02:09 PM)
I think abortion is really sad, unless the foetus suffers from severe congenital damage. On the other hand a girl friend of mine has been in a wheelchair all her life. She is of sound mind, but her muscles are extremely weak. She leads a worthwile life and is loved. So no, some cases of birth defects in my opinion are no reason for an abortion. In other cases it is warranted. I am opposed to fatherhood tests. Yes, the female is responsible if mating was her choice. In my population reduction proposal in the first generation three quarters of all fertile females would be sterilized and thus would never have an abortion. The other one quarter would have only one birth (so one child or twins), and would be unlikely to be inclined to have an abortion.

Lucylastic -> RE: Abortion (8/21/2009 6:19:28 PM)
Rule, my idea is to snip all boys at birth, so there wont be any women left with a child to raise on her own because the "man" didnt understand sex is a responsibility for BOTH. Only responsible men in secure happy stable relationships and mentally able to take on a child for 18 years + will be allowed to have vasectomies. I dont think either will work, in any way

Rule -> RE: Abortion (8/21/2009 6:38:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Rule, my idea is to snip all boys at birth, so there wont be any women left with a child to raise on her own because the "man" didnt understand sex is a responsibility for BOTH. There are plenty of men willing to raise another's child. There will be even more if three quarters of all fertile females are sterilized and the others have only one child (or twins) each. In any case I suspect that your alternative proposal may be fraught with biological difficulties. Even more importantly is that it is detrimental to the composition of the gene pool, as females are no longer free to choose the in their eyes best mate.

Lucylastic -> RE: Abortion (8/21/2009 6:53:20 PM)
Ididnt say they wouldnt be allowed to choose the father of their children, thats what dating is all about. but seriously hon.... both are out there on the biological and human rights never gonna happen list. Oh and you are talking sterilization to the wrong woman.... I had my tubes tied not once but twice, because I got pregnant. resulting in a removal of an ectopic pregnancy that almost killed me.

purepleasure -> RE: Abortion (8/21/2009 7:02:22 PM)
i'm for pro choice as well. as far as men taking responsibility... may i suggest castration for every male who has sired more than one child that he is not financially responsible towards. meaning all deadbeat dads should be castrated. i'd bet my next to last dollar more men would make sure their child support is paid up to date

SteelofUtah -> RE: Abortion (8/21/2009 7:06:17 PM)
It has been pointed out that people think I do not think men should be responsible for some reason because I site the Unbelievable expense that would come from making sure they were the father. It would seem that someone missed that I believe that Abortion is a choice, I just believe that after you have excersized that choice and commit the act again and again it shows that you would rather choose to be irresponsible with your sexual activity and have the undetermined viable life removed then prevent it from being created in the first place. YES, Semen fertalizes the Egg, it cannot happen without a Man but the woman holds the majority of risks and all of the responsibility of the incubation of that egg. Because of this fact why should we NOT hold women to the exact same scrutiny they are Saying that Men should be held too? Obviously anyone who asks why we don't hold the Man responsible believes this is an Excuse worthy of not taking the responsibility on their own. I KNOW my opinion is not the popular one. Here is why. I have a Son, who I knew that when she got pregnant I could not afford and I asker her how she felt about Abortion and she was dead set against it. I said that is fine and I would do everything I can to do my best in raising the child. Later she threw me out and told me the kid wasn't even mine. Two years later, I get subpoenad at work and one cotton swab later I am over $2,000 in debt in Back Child Support and I have never even met my son. I pay my child support and have made sure that if I get paid she gets paid. I have STILL never met my child. If I want to I will have to go to court and get a custody agreement set up, she will STILL not talk to me and when I go to the house even when I know she is there she will not answer. In November he will be 4 years old. I got no say in this child, I still get no say in how he is raised and I have been told that she tells everyone I don;t want to have anything to do with him. According to her I am just another Bastard Father who doesn't give a shit about his kid and if it weren't for ORS she would never see a Penny from me. This of course is BULLSHIT. In order for her to have gotten pregnant and carried the child to term and not be premature she would have gotten pregnant the first time we had sex on the first night. This is why I believed I was not the father. There is a set of statistics mentioned on a previous page and it is amazing that Planned Parenthood the #1 performers of abortions even states that the majority of abortions are done because of not planning. Now I would be willing to accept that if this girl had had an abortion I would be more than willing to accept my own stipulations and I would VOLUNTEER for the SNIP SNIP. Guess what I WANT the Snip Snip and if it weren't for the fact that andi still wants one I would have already HAD THE SNIP SNIP. To continue on getting people pregnant and not taking responsibility for it is wrong. I do happen to know plenty of women who openly admit that they have NO CLUE who the Father of their children are. and Yes if you are the Genetic Carrier of a Children I DO believe you should be held to a higher Responsibility standard. You are already in control of what every man seeks, protect it and what it can create. Again if this makes me the bad guy fine. I am willing to be that for my belief. I may not always hold the popular belief, but it's my belief none the less. Steel

Loxosceles -> RE: Abortion (8/21/2009 7:10:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lockemann quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth [pro-tolerance I think we would all get along if we could somehow make this our national slogan! pro: exile from the US pro: euthanasia pro: death There are some people that just need to be removed from our society by whatever means necessary.

Loxosceles -> RE: Abortion (8/21/2009 7:15:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: purepleasure may i suggest castration for every male who has sired more than one child that he is not financially responsible towards. And tubal ligation for every single mother on welfare!

purepleasure -> RE: Abortion (8/21/2009 7:20:05 PM)
i agree if people can't afford to support the children they have, they've got no business making more kids they can't afford

Rhodes85 -> RE: Abortion (8/21/2009 7:20:55 PM)
'Steel, I agree about the responsibility thing. Abortion SHOULD NOT be a form of birth control ' I agree completely. While I was reading this thread a friend of mine logged in to msn and was telling me about how her best friend was pressured into aborting her pregnancy because her boyfriend 'doesn't think he can support a child financially' despite the fact he is rich and supposedly loves kids. So the friend refused at first and he told her he considered abortion to be 'better than a condom or the pill' So like Greedy said, theres plenty of people that use it as such. on a lighter note, ever wonder what abortion would be like if it was invented by Microsoft? 'Girlfriend Pregnant Error: [A]bort, [M]arry, [R]un, [I]gnore' [:D]

DavanKael -> RE: Abortion (8/21/2009 7:54:26 PM)
ORIGINAL: DomImus Many of the very same people who support abortion would love to rid the nation of firearms. My reply: How very easy it is to put people in boxes; people put themselves in boxes, other people put them in boxes and you are doing the same thing with the above statement. Not everyone splits their morality or life choices down party-lines; some people don't acknowledge 'party lines'. I live my life. I form informed opinions about things that matter to me. I attempt to live true to myself and to my beliefs, not some set agenda prescribed by some group. I am wildly pro-choice (To the point of arguing that elective late term abortions should be legal <despite the fact that I believe a woman who has allowed a pregnancy to get to that point and not had the courage to decide is surplus population> because I fear the slippery slope that leads to the taking out of Roe vs Wade (It's only been legal since the year before I was born). That someone would relegate me, against my wishes to being a walking incubator because of their dogma, their ideas of morality, or etc. is so utterly offensive it's difficult to quantify. I am not in favor of the forced adoption idea either; again: relegation to walking incubator. That having been said, I am a proud gun owner. And, I don't just own one gun. No, I own several. Just added a new one last week. With hollow-point bullets so that I can optimize my potential for killing should someone invade my castle or otherwise seek to harm me and mine. I also own lots of bladed and bashing weapons. On a completely unrelated note: Steel, it sucks that you haven't seen your son and your frustration and pain is evident in your post. That he was conceived and wasn't intended to be sucks. You and the female are responsible for having made the baby. Paying child support and wanting to see your kid are, imo, both the 'right' things to do, in-as-much as I understand only the very basics. If you want to see your son, fight, go to court: it's a separate thing from child support hearings and it will cost you some money but based on the way that you speak about it, it seems a worthy investment. You may also want to look into some fathers' advocacy groups to see if you could get low- or no-cost legal representation. Best wishes to you and yours, Davan

DavanKael -> RE: Abortion (8/21/2009 7:56:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loxosceles quote: ORIGINAL: purepleasure may i suggest castration for every male who has sired more than one child that he is not financially responsible towards. And tubal ligation for every single mother on welfare! Boil these down to something that's actually equal and I completely agree. Davan

Arpig -> RE: Abortion (8/21/2009 8:09:35 PM)
I am both anti-abortion and pro-choice. I would hope to not have a child I fathered be aborted, but in the final analysis it isn't any of my business. It is her body, it is her choice. The right and wrong of it are between her and whatever morality she follows. This is a woman's issue, it is not one where men should be getting involved. If you are opposed to abortion and your lady-friend is contemplating an abortion, you should tell her that you think it is a bad idea and why once. After that you should shut the hell up and support her in whatever decision she makes. ETA: This is not just a belief, I live it. I was faced with the situation many years ago, and that is exactly what I did. Said my piece, and then when she decided to abort I supported her morally and emotionally and I paid for it. In Japan, abortions are very readily available, however you need the father's signature to get one. When my girlfriend's friends found out about how I handled the situation,several of them came to me when they got pregnant. I treated them exactly the same (well except for the paying for it...not my sperm, not my bill), I advised them against it and gave them my reasons, told them to go think it over for a few days and then to come back and if they still wanted to abort I would sign the papers. According to Japanese medical records I was quite the irresponsible Lothario in grade 12.

MissJanice2 -> RE: Abortion (8/21/2009 8:14:31 PM)
*Kinky or not, who has the right to choose life over death? If we educated ourselves about abortion, it would no longer be an issue.* I am against abortion for myself. I don't have to worry about that any longer because I had a hystrectomy, but in my younger days I was educated in school that abortion is murder. I believe that; however, I also believe in my heart, that a woman has a right to choose. Those protestors must not have a job, or they would be off the streets. No one has the right to interfer with a person going to a doctor regardless what they are. That is simply wrong. *Respectfully, Mistress_Jan* quote: ORIGINAL: lockemann So on my way to drop my wife off to the train every morning, I pass a Woman's Clinic. Roughly every 3 days or so, there is a group of 5 to 10 people out in front with signs protesting abortion. Without anyone getting too upset, I would like to know if kinky people are more tolerant about abortion. Are you pro, or anti- abortion? If you happen to be anti-abortion, what are your views on birth control methods? Just really curious about this....

cpK69 -> RE: Abortion (8/21/2009 8:24:26 PM)
~fr~ Wondering if anyone else realizes; choosing life is choosing death. Kim

sirsholly -> RE: Abortion (8/21/2009 8:56:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loxosceles quote: ORIGINAL: purepleasure may i suggest castration for every male who has sired more than one child that he is not financially responsible towards. And tubal ligation for every single mother on welfare! naaa....lets implant 'em with 8 fertilized eggs[8\|]

hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: Abortion (8/21/2009 9:10:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loxosceles quote: ORIGINAL: purepleasure may i suggest castration for every male who has sired more than one child that he is not financially responsible towards. And tubal ligation for every single mother on welfare! You ARE aware that some of those mothers are married - to the father of whatever child(ren) they happen to have, and are there because neither of them can find a job in this suck ass economy, right? Oh, and let's not forget the ones who are there because they can't find a job that pays enough to cover what their deadbeat ex refuses to pay despite court orders to do so. I spent a few years in the system - while I was being a single parent of a severely handicapped child whose father Refused to help out in any way, despite court ordered child support and genetic tests that proved he was the father (even though there couldn't have been any other - I wasn't sleeping with anyone other than him, it was either him, or immaculate conception.) I worked at any job I could find - when I could find one, being a single mother of a severely handicapped kid (which meant I had to be able to leave work on a second's notice, if the school called and said there was a problem), and it didn't keep the bills paid or food on the table. If it hadn't been for the system - which I was only able to use Because my spawn was severely handicapped - we would have likely been living on the street.

HeavansKeeper -> RE: Abortion (8/21/2009 11:35:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomImus quote: ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally Comparing abortion to gun crime? The comparison is quite clear and very relevant. Your inability to grasp it is your own. Let them put their money where their proverbial mouths are. Straw man.

VanityFix -> RE: Abortion (8/22/2009 2:11:51 AM)
i was pro choice, the simple "her body, her choice" not my issue, but keep a lefty feminist opinion to support women's rights. then i heard the two words "I'm late" its a fucked up thing when its part of you potentially growing in a woman, im of the school of thought that if a woman is carrying your kid you bone up and be there and support her choice, much emotion and stress arose from talking about keeping it or whatever.. i dont have kids is the end of that tale.. im still pro choice.. i just see it differently since then, its a difficult situation..

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