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RE: Abortion - 8/22/2009 5:17:18 AM

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I am anti-abortion and pro-life, but living in reality, and not some perfect fantasy world, I am also pro-choice.

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RE: Abortion - 8/22/2009 5:24:17 AM

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To OP,

I think that answers your question

General, I think limiting choice like this is limiting, I don't care if sue down the road has 7 abortions, by which point actually carrying a child will be difficult, but that is her choice, I would rather every parent who abuses thier children, can't afford them, ignores them, doesn't want them had an abortion.

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RE: Abortion - 8/22/2009 5:47:29 AM

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I'm pro life but pro choice.

I agree with Lily's statement:

I would rather every parent who abuses thier children, can't afford them, ignores them, doesn't want them had an abortion.

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RE: Abortion - 8/22/2009 6:08:29 AM

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Thank you everyone, this thread has given me quite a lot to think about.

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RE: Abortion - 8/22/2009 6:12:25 AM

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I would like Abortions to cost as much as a Pregnancy. Maybe then people would not be having them as a form of birth control.

I'll leave the rest for now, and simply address this. I lubs you, Steel, but no way no how would I support such a thing. Many women choose to end a pregnancy because they cannot afford to have and support a child, and they know it. What is more responsible- choosing to end a pregnancy when you know that you cannot financially support a child, or having a child knowing full well that doing so will mean that you will have to go on welfare?

Simply paying the current cost of an abortion can be one hell of a strain for some, especially if the male involved pulls the all-too-common "It's not mine" schtick while the clock is ticking. Making abortion unattainable for women without a few thousand in the bank to pay for it leads right back to the good old days of the coat hanger abortion, a thought which makes me ill. I get where you are coming from, Steel, but you are tarring every female who chooses to end a pregnancy with the same, rather nasty, brush. Your proposal would punish all women who choose to abort for whatever reason, and that, IMO, is very wrong.

BTW, since we are sharing personal experiences here, I'll play. I had an abortion at age 16, and it was the hardest decision I ever had to make. Anyone who thinks said decision was in any way casual would be seriously wrong, as would anyone who thinks that the experience was in any way pleasant.

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RE: Abortion - 8/22/2009 8:03:18 AM

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I'm pro life but pro choice.

I agree with Lily's statement:

I would rather every parent who abuses thier children, can't afford them, ignores them, doesn't want them had an abortion.

You know, I am rather happy I am alive.

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RE: Abortion - 8/22/2009 9:16:26 AM

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quote:

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I would like Abortions to cost as much as a Pregnancy. Maybe then people would not be having them as a form of birth control.

I'll leave the rest for now, and simply address this. I lubs you, Steel, but no way no how would I support such a thing. Many women choose to end a pregnancy because they cannot afford to have and support a child, and they know it. What is more responsible- choosing to end a pregnancy when you know that you cannot financially support a child, or having a child knowing full well that doing so will mean that you will have to go on welfare?

Wyld I lubs you too, I wonder why everyone keeps missing that I offered TWO possibilities right after the other because of this issue right here.

Make them Free then but only give someone so many before they lose the ability to let it happen ever again.

If you do want children but have already had your limit of abortions and you are Raped then in order to continue having children you will be required to report it so that the jack ass who did it will be in jail or at very least investigated and you are not held responsible for the unwanted pregnancy.

I am not wanting anyone to keep a child they do not want. This is not and has never been my point, I want people to be responsible for their actions and I want them to understand that if they choose to do something it comes with a repercussion. At some point where do we hold someone responsible for preventing the action? Everyone does something stupid but when someone does the same stupid thing 3 times in a row are they showing any responsibility?

My Mother said getting the first abortion was the hardest thing she ever did but then had two more, and they were just as hard as the first one and the LAST one she had is what made my Step-Dad finally get his SNIP SNIP, why did they not do so before? Cause he is an Idiot and was WILLING TO KEEP PAYING FOR THE FUCKING ABORTION!!! My Mother never got her tubes tied, but infomred me that her Gyno told her that due to the amount of abortrions she had had there was no more risk in tying her tubes then there was in my Step-Fathers getting a Vesectomy and why she did not have it done with the last abortion? A Question my Mother could not answer. It wasn't a matter of reversing it because it was obvious they no longer wanted anymore children. It wasn't a matter of risk while they were preforming one operation they could do the other equalizing the risk. It was because she didn't know because she wasn't planning. I, to this day, cannot get a straight answer out of her as to why they were not on birth control and the reason for no longer using condoms was as simple as we have been together for 15 years. To which I said "What the fuck does that have to do with you getting pregnant?. No Offense I do not want to be 30 years older than my Kid Brother."

I said I am Pro Responsibility, which many people equate to me being pro life, I am not pro life I believe Abortion should be an Option, I just think it should come with a required responsibility.

Men and Women should be held to the same level or responsibility, however if they really are to be held to the same level of responsbility then they should have the same choice, so whose choice gets ignored when the two people disagree? Right now as it stands the man has NO CHOICE he will have to accept whatever choice the woman makes even if that choice is to terminate the child that many believe he is equally responsible for. If that is how people want to keep it then why should he be held to al;l the same responsibilities when he is not given the same choice? This is what I do not get.

I am not trying to remove the choice I am trying to make it so that if you keep being confronted with the choice to make that it is obvious you do not want children and while exersizing that choice make it so that you don't have to any more. If you can't figure this basic idea out after the First 2 or 3 then tell me how many should be okay? How many times should someone show they are irresponsibe before they are REQUIRED to address it?

My Only Point is I would rather see people be more responsible. My First Son was just as much a surprize to me as my Second son was, the chances of me supposed to be able to have children was low, I had a situation that caused the majority of my sperm to be dead before ejaculation. I always knew it only took one and I did what I could to take my precautions. I am responsible for Both and I will be for the rest of my life not just the 18 years most are concerned about for legal matters. I would personally wish no one ever have to address the choice but I also believe that once it happens there is no reason NOT to address the responsibility from that point on.

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RE: Abortion - 8/22/2009 5:48:54 PM

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Pro-choice to 9 weeks, thereafter pro-life.

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RE: Abortion - 8/22/2009 10:06:41 PM

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I don't think being in the lifestyle will sway your views on things like this...

Pro-choice but I do understand why some would be Pro-life.

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RE: Abortion - 8/23/2009 11:13:19 AM

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I don't think being in the lifestyle will sway your views on things like this...

Pro-choice but I do understand why some would be Pro-life.

Tally em up. Just from memory, it's like Pro-Choice: 15, Pro-Life: 1.

Now, I'm not saying BDSM causes people to be pro choice. There could also be confounded factors. Many respondents were female. Many were on the younger side. Many do not take the Lord God's bible as a literal truth. These confounded factors twist the accuracy of the question.

I would venture to say that there is a strong correlation between posting regularly on a BDSM website and being pro-choice. Meaning that whatever forces in your life allow/direct you to be reading this may also direct you to being pro-choice. In short, I agree with you, Jen. Being int the lifestyle probably doesn't sway your views. Your views are probably already swayed, if you're in the lifestyle.

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RE: Abortion - 8/23/2009 12:55:32 PM

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I'm not fond of abortion in the vast majority of cases but I understand that it is necessary to have it institutionalised as without it the same number of abortions is likely to occur but in less sanitary more dangerous conditions. I might not be a fan of it but if a woman or couple decide to have one then I would very much like the mother to live. Instead of banning it what I would like to see is it made easier for other options such as adoption. If you don't want the child fine, that's not a problem give it away. At least then the kid would have a chance. Who knows maybe they'll be gang raped and butchered before they're ten in an abusive foster home or maybe the'll discover the next penicillin. Have the baby and leave it on the side of the road. Maybe it'll be run over or maybe it'll be dicovered and have a long happy productive life.

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RE: Abortion - 8/23/2009 1:49:18 PM

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Abortion is nothing more then a remodeling and slight improvement in ease for the next abortion. But, you don’t have the difficult task of taking a pill or the inconvenience of an IUD and of course no emotional trauma surrounds the murdering of human life when you abort.

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RE: Abortion - 8/23/2009 3:35:33 PM

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A decision I hope to never be confronted with.

I am torn between the realization, giving birth is a death sentence, and my personal belief that throwing such an opportunity back in the face of the giver, might be considered a bit rude; I don’t care to commit to either without being involved in a situation calling for such a decision to be made.

My belief in truth and liberty for all, does not allow for me to make the decision for someone else.

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RE: Abortion - 8/23/2009 4:07:47 PM

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So on my way to drop my wife off to the train every morning, I pass a Woman's Clinic. Roughly every 3 days or so, there is a group of 5 to 10 people out in front with signs protesting abortion.

Without anyone getting too upset, I would like to know if kinky people are more tolerant about abortion. Are you pro, or anti- abortion? If you happen to be anti-abortion, what are your views on birth control methods?

Just really curious about this....

Well...I do fit the personae (being kinky, and all)...and I'm a huuuuge fan of the pro life movement (considering that I'm here typing this and all).

So...those of you that are here typing....welcome to the Pro Life aperture.

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RE: Abortion - 8/23/2009 4:10:56 PM

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Abortion is nothing more then a remodeling and slight improvement in ease for the next abortion. But, you don’t have the difficult task of taking a pill or the inconvenience of an IUD and of course no emotional trauma surrounds the murdering of human life when you abort.

Wow!

I don't think I've ever heard of abortion related to remodeling before.

(That's most assuredly a new one on me).

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RE: Abortion - 8/23/2009 4:27:33 PM

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I dont think he (I think) has ever been around a pregnant woman because emotional is a 24/7/40weekish thing. He isnt worthy of contempt
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RE: Abortion - 8/25/2009 12:36:36 PM

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Pro abortion because christians think it is vile.

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RE: Abortion - 8/25/2009 12:38:41 PM

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I am anti-abortion and pro-life, but living in reality, and not some perfect fantasy world, I am also pro-choice.

You are a living contradiction.

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RE: Abortion - 8/25/2009 12:53:50 PM

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Im pro choice.... the right wing nutbags seem to want to categorize everyone that doesnt agree with them as pro abortion. this is wrong.. they choose... other folks have the same right

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