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rulemylife -> RE: Ted Kennedy (8/22/2009 8:57:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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The Washington Post has suggested Joseph Kennedy, the son of Robert F. Kennedy and a former member of Congress, would almost certainly have the right of first refusal since the seat has been in his family almost without a break
This I find very frightening! Because a member of his family has held the seat for a long time he should have dibs on it? Can anybody say "rotten boroughs"?
I thought I understood the Constitution pretty well, but I guess I missed the part about a Senate seat being an hereditary thing.[8|]



So if Ted dies tomorrow, then a member of his family may take over the seat for what, a total of 3, maybe up to 5 months until a special election is held?

You're right it's definitely terrifying.



Sanity -> RE: Ted Kennedy (8/22/2009 10:03:26 PM)


Hey rml - over in another thread they're making jokes about someone else's suffering.

Quick, go get 'em!

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=2772126


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
Yeah, I tend to be like that when people have so little class as to make jokes about someone else's suffering.

I'm just strange that way.

Or maybe you don't realize the painful death this man is going to experience.

Or worse yet, you just don't care.








TheHeretic -> RE: Ted Kennedy (8/22/2009 10:08:08 PM)

Who the hell is Reagon, anyway? 

Of course, there wasn't much use in the first comment either.



Brain -> RE: Ted Kennedy (8/23/2009 2:32:48 AM)

Umm, GOP? You got a second? I want to show you something.


And I have a question I want to ask. But first, I want you to glance at a mirror for a moment...... That's a kid calling America's first black President a monkey at a rally full of your own activists. How did that happen, exactly? I have a theory about that...

Read Full Story at dailykos.com
Daily Kos State of the Nation
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/8/5/762024/-Umm,-GOP-You-got-a-second-I-want-to-show-you-something.





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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

You know it's really a reach to call this guy a "liberal."
That whole family is like a cime family. It's like calling the Genovese family "liberal" because they support soup kitchens or some such nonsense.
Marylyn Monroe threatens to spill the beans on her affair with JFK and Bobby and a few guys fly out to Calif. and two days later she's dead from a "drug overdose."
Ted was expelled from Harvard for cheating. The old man Joe was a bootlegger, a whisky smuggler. Were he alive today he'd be smuggling drugs.
The Kennedys care about "them" not about "poor people." They'll tell YOU to live with poor people but THEY won't do it!
The Clintons tried to be friends with Ted and look what he did to them!
His retard drug addict son should be working in a car wash not in the congress!
If it wasn't for old Joe's money Ted would have been working on a loading dock somewhere.
Caroline Kennedy Schlosburg probably owns property in Mass. Any bets that she'll "demand" to be enthroned in the seat that Ted currently "owns?"
Yup, Al Capone was a "liberal" too. He supported the working man.




rulemylife -> RE: Ted Kennedy (8/23/2009 7:59:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Hey rml - over in another thread they're making jokes about someone else's suffering.

Quick, go get 'em!

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=2772126


I clicked your link and failed to see what you are talking about.



Sanity -> RE: Ted Kennedy (8/23/2009 8:09:28 AM)


Ronald Reagan was an extremely popular Republican President who died a long, slow, horrible death due to Alzheimer's disease, and his wife Nancy Reagan lovingly cared for him throughout the entire painful ordeal, clear until the bitter end - and so many on the left love to make Reagan / Alzheimer's jokes.

Now read Lorr47's "joke" again, and see if you get it.


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Hey rml - over in another thread they're making jokes about someone else's suffering.

Quick, go get 'em!

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=2772126


I clicked your link and failed to see what you are talking about.




Arpig -> RE: Ted Kennedy (8/23/2009 8:24:50 AM)

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So if Ted dies tomorrow, then a member of his family may take over the seat for what, a total of 3, maybe up to 5 months until a special election is held?

You're right it's definitely terrifying.
Its the assumption that a member of his family somehow has the "right of first refusal" on the seat. That implies he has some sort of right to the seat due to being a relative.
Personally I hope the law isn't changed,they made their bed they should sleep in it, but it probably will pass, and we will probably have some other Kennedy anointed. But we can always hope that somehow the health reform Bill will be defeated anyway.

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Don't you think it is a little scummy to use the death of Kennedy to usurp the wishes of the electorate?

This would be the result of his death
No, they elected a guy with brain cancer, they should have known he was unlikely to live pout his term. What I find a little scummy is the attempt to change the rules (for a second time) for purely partisan reasons. I also find the attempts to deflect discussion of this issue on the basis of Kennedy's health sort of scummy as well. Are we not allowed to dislike and discuss the man's actions because he has a brain tumour? Are we to just allow him to do whatever he wants because he has a brain tumour? Apparently so.




Sanity -> RE: Ted Kennedy (8/23/2009 8:31:24 AM)


It should be obvious to you that if its a Kennedy who is in the seat, the people of Massachusetts will continue to vote for that person no matter how criminal, no matter how stupid, no matter how drunk.

So this 3 - 5 month argument is just almost comical.


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife


So if Ted dies tomorrow, then a member of his family may take over the seat for what, a total of 3, maybe up to 5 months until a special election is held?

You're right it's definitely terrifying.




rulemylife -> RE: Ted Kennedy (8/23/2009 8:41:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Ronald Reagan was an extremely popular Republican President who died a long, slow, horrible death due to Alzheimer's disease, and his wife Nancy Reagan lovingly cared for him throughout the entire painful ordeal, clear until the bitter end - and so many on the left love to make Reagan / Alzheimer's jokes.

Now read Lorr47's "joke" again, and see if you get it.



And as always, taking things out of context without looking at what provoked the remark, which by the way, was a joke, unlike the Kennedy remarks.


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ORIGINAL: Lorr47

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I think we should point it at the DNC national headquarters.


If we name our new Raygun after Reagon, will it forget the coordinates and obliterate the RNC?



rulemylife -> RE: Ted Kennedy (8/23/2009 8:44:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


It should be obvious to you that if its a Kennedy who is in the seat, the people of Massachusetts will continue to vote for that person no matter how criminal, no matter how stupid, no matter how drunk.

So this 3 - 5 month argument is just almost comical.



Huh?

Really?

So then you are saying the people of Massachusetts are too stupid to know what is good for them and they should have a special election but no one named Kennedy is allowed to be a candidate?



Sanity -> RE: Ted Kennedy (8/23/2009 8:58:50 AM)


*sigh*

When all else fails, build a strawman.


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


It should be obvious to you that if its a Kennedy who is in the seat, the people of Massachusetts will continue to vote for that person no matter how criminal, no matter how stupid, no matter how drunk.

So this 3 - 5 month argument is just almost comical.



Huh?

Really?

So then you are saying the people of Massachusetts are too stupid to know what is good for them and they should have a special election but no one named Kennedy is allowed to be a candidate?




Sanity -> RE: Ted Kennedy (8/23/2009 9:00:45 AM)


I knew that Reagan / Alzheimer's jokes would be different. I just wanted to illustrate, for the class.


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

And as always, taking things out of context without looking at what provoked the remark, which by the way, was a joke, unlike the Kennedy remarks.



TheHeretic -> RE: Ted Kennedy (8/23/2009 9:01:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

which by the way, was a joke, unlike the Kennedy remarks.




So cruel, insensitive remarks about people you don't like are "jokes," but just cruel and insensitive when you do like the subject???  Didn't Aileen specifically say she was looking for jokes?  What do you call that standard, RML?  I know what I call it...



maybemaybenot -> RE: Ted Kennedy (8/23/2009 9:32:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: DomImus

What an ass. The epitome of partisan politics.



What a classy thread.

Let's all see how we can can pile on the guy dying of brain cancer.

But I shouldn't have expected anything more.





RML:

So what, he is dying of brain cancer ? No one on this thread has wished him ill will or harm in his dying days.  Speaking strictly for myself : If I don't care for some one when they are healthy, why would them becoming ill make me automatically like or respect them? I never liked Kennedy, never will. I wish him a peaceful death. But I will remain steadfast in my opinion of him, which is he is pond scum.

Ted Kennedy is not on his death bed, suffering, waiting for his last breath. He is a working US Senator and apparently well enough to fulfill his duties. That makes him open to criticism or support in that role.

As for that poll, wellll DUH !!! You are talking about Massachusetts registered voters. Ted Kennedy could kill kittens, old ladies and children and be re elected in this ridiculous state. He was a real warrior a few years ago about our succesion laws. he was quite convincing, obviously, that the law was old, outdated and needed to be changed immediately. Now he wants to re invent the law that he fought so hard to have changed. How much do you want to bet, that if he survives until 2010, and a Republican or Independent becomes Mass. Governor, he will fight the good fight once again ?  I can only hope that this scenario happens and Baker or Mihos is elected.

Did you see him entering the Kennedy compound when Eunis Shriver passed away ? He could hardly walk, he didn't make the funeral or wake because he was too ill. Yet he remains in office. Why ? He will not resign until he firms up his own successor. They will drag his tired old ass in a wheel barrow to the Senate floor until the day his proposal is confirmed and he and Gov. Patrick pow wow on a replacement.

Here is how this is going to work. Massachusetts legislators will, of course, pass his proposal. Next day, the distinguished Senator from Mass. resigns, effective immediately. The plus side to that is that it signifies the end of the Kennedy reign of terror. Old Ted is the last Kennedy who actually has any power.

Ted Kennedy wants that interim appointment soley to continue his battle for Obama's Health Plan. Plain and simple. He wants to change state law to progress his own agenda on healthcare.

                 mbmbn





maybemaybenot -> RE: Ted Kennedy (8/23/2009 9:44:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Just the fact that he is still thinking of his obligations at this time in his life makes me admire him...could you or would you still worry about politics when you are dying?

Give the man his due... even if you don't like his politics.

Butch


There is no obligation to appoint/control your own successor should you fall ill or pass away while in office. There are succession laws that take care of that. One's that the magnanamous Senator Kennedy wants to change to shore up his own " legacy ".




SpinnerofTales -> RE: Ted Kennedy (8/23/2009 9:58:59 AM)

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No, they elected a guy with brain cancer, they should have known he was unlikely to live pout his term. What I find a little scummy is the attempt to change the rules (for a second time) for purely partisan reasons. I also find the attempts to deflect discussion of this issue on the basis of Kennedy's health sort of scummy as well. Are we not allowed to dislike and discuss the man's actions because he has a brain tumour? Are we to just allow him to do whatever he wants because he has a brain tumour? Apparently so. ORIGINAL: Arpig



Ok....you talk about the deflection of the discussion of the issue. Let's discuss:

The original rules were that, in the event of the vacation of a senate seat, the governer could appoint a replacement who would serve out the rest of the absent senator's term. This means potentially, the governer of MA could appoint a senator who served for 5 years, 364 days, with the people of MA having no electoral say in the appointment.

The current version of the rules state that in the event of a vacation of a MA senate seat, there will be a special election held within five months to fill that seat. During that time period, the senate seat will remain empty.

Sen. Kennedy has proposed that the rules be changed to allow the governer of MA to appoint a senator who will serve a maximum of five months until the election can be held and a duly elected candidate take the senate seat.

From a state's rights perspective, this is not a partisan matter at all. If every state has two senators seated, then having only one puts that state in a politically disadvantageous situation for almost half a year. In short, the people of MA are disenfranchised from half of their appropriate senatorial input.

So, if you want to discuss the issue, let's discuss it. Is it better for a state to lose one of it's two senatorial votes in the event of the death or resignation of one of it's senator or is it better to have an appointed substitute serve until the election can be arranged and held?

Other than this issue, everything else is noise.




rightwinghippie -> RE: Ted Kennedy (8/23/2009 10:11:40 AM)

OK, that makes sense, except Kenedy worked to get the rules set as they are now.

5 years ago, Kenedy wanted the people of Mass to be short one Senator, after Kerry went to the Presidency (snicker).
Now Kenedy is flipping. For nothing but pure political power for his party.

5 years ago, Kenedy wanted Mass to be short one Senator. It's a pure power play, and he will get called on it. And using his health to try to accomplish his goals is crass and destructive to the idea of Rule of Law.



maybemaybenot -> RE: Ted Kennedy (8/23/2009 10:16:01 AM)

SoT:

IF it is not partisan, why on earth did Senator Kennedy not write this " 5 month interim appointment " in to his previous proposal, when the sitting Governor was a Republican ?  Why were the people of Massachusetts perfectly able to have lived with a vacant Senate seat, if John Kerry had won the election, for a few months. You know, when a Republican Governor would have appointed an " interim " Senator ?

What earth shattering events have caused we the people of Mass., to be unable to live without a Senator for a couple of months ? Senator Kennedy and the Mass. legislature felt that was reasonable 8 or so years ago. Please enlighten me to the events that have now made it unreasonable. < Hint : Partisan politics >

Not Partisan ? Pleeeaaase ! Ya really think he would be writing to a Republican Governor, proposing the same thing ?

                                             mbmbn



mnottertail -> RE: Ted Kennedy (8/23/2009 10:17:54 AM)

5 years ago, Kenedy wanted the people of Mass to be short one Senator, after Kerry went to the Presidency (snicker).

What authority have you for this?
Luckydog---why do you want to pretend you can spell? Why are you forcing us to spell it Kenedy when every one knows it's Kennedy?

Ron



rightwinghippie -> RE: Ted Kennedy (8/23/2009 10:32:18 AM)



Go troll someone else Mnot. You are dull. Spelling... Wow You get a gold star!!!



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