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'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ - 8/24/2009 9:09:47 PM   
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WASHINGTON – The Obama administration launched a criminal investigation Monday into harsh questioning of detainees during President George W. Bush's war on terrorism, revealing CIA interrogators' threats to kill one suspect's children and to force another to watch his mother sexually assaulted.

At the same time, President Barack Obama ordered changes in future interrogations, bringing in other agencies besides the CIA under the direction of the FBI and supervised by his own national security adviser. The administration pledged questioning would be controlled by the Army Field Manual, with strict rules on tactics, and said the White House would keep its hands off the professional investigators doing the work.

Despite the announcement of the criminal probe, several Obama spokesmen declared anew — as the president has repeatedly — that on the subject of detainee interrogation he "wants to look forward, not back" at Bush tactics. They took pains to say decisions on any prosecutions would be up to Attorney General Eric Holder, not the White House.

Monday's five-year-old report by the CIA's inspector general, newly declassified and released under a federal court's orders, described severe tactics used by interrogators on terror suspects after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Seeking information about possible further attacks, interrogators threatened one detainee with a gun and a power drill, choked another and tried to frighten still another with a mock execution of another prisoner.

Attorney General Holder said he had chosen a veteran prosecutor to determine whether any CIA officers or contractors should face criminal charges for crossing the line on rough but permissible tactics.

Former Vice President Dick Cheney said Obama's decision to allow the investigation "serves as a reminder, if any were needed, of why so many Americans have doubts about this administration's ability to be responsible for our nation's security." Cheney released the statement to The Weekly Standard, a conservative journal.

Former CIA Director Michael Hayden, appointed by President Bush in 2006, expressed dismay by the prospect of prosecutions for CIA officers. He noted that career prosecutors have already reviewed and declined to prosecute the alleged abuses.


Obama has said interrogators would not face charges if they followed legal guidelines, but the report by the CIA's inspector general said they went too far — even beyond what was authorized under Justice Department legal memos that have since been withdrawn and discredited.

The report also suggested some questioners knew they were crossing a line.

"Ten years from now we're going to be sorry we're doing this (but) it has to be done," one unidentified CIA officer was quoted as saying, predicting the questioners would someday have to appear in court to answer for such tactics.









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RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ - 8/24/2009 11:34:32 PM   
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RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ - 8/25/2009 1:02:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just hope that a few CIA officers are not made scapegoats for those that authorised such tactics. As usual with any political wrongdoings, a few low level personal will carry the can.

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RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ - 8/25/2009 3:38:38 AM   
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Hmm. Obama feels he needs a distraction from his disastrous health care crusade, and he's trying to get his numbers back up among the far left fringe wackos.

What else is in the news...


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RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ - 8/25/2009 3:39:45 AM   
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RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ - 8/25/2009 5:38:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps they'll be subject to the same judicial system as that of the terrorists.

Obama said those that followed this Torture Handbook, authored by George Bush (PhD Creative interrogation techniques), will not be prosecuted.

We'll just have to see if threatening peoples children, firing a handgun in close proximity to a suspect and threatening people with a drill are in the handbook.


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RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ - 8/25/2009 6:32:57 AM   
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Ooh, ooh, I know.

Let's send a Predator drone missile directly into their house instead.

"And your little dog too."

I'm melting, melting, ohhhh what a world.

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RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ - 8/25/2009 10:12:08 AM   
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Obama's flowery "Looking forward" speech at the CIA back on April 29th:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/04/20/obama_speech_to_the_cia_96093.html


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RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ - 8/25/2009 10:16:32 AM   
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Ooh, ooh, I know.

Let's send a Predator drone missile directly into their house instead.

"And your little dog too."

I'm melting, melting, ohhhh what a world.

chia* (the pet)



And I always thought there was a difference between warfare and torture.

But hey, let's go with it now that we've started down that road.

Maybe we can have a few public beheadings of terrorists.

That will show them who they're dealing with.

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RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ - 8/25/2009 10:18:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Personally I think if torture in some form or another has been deemed necessary then it should be completely open and ratified. There should be crystal clear rules on what is and is not acceptable like any other rules of war.

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RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ - 8/25/2009 10:20:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Obama's flowery "Looking forward" speech at the CIA back on April 29th:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/04/20/obama_speech_to_the_cia_96093.html



So, because he has publicly praised the CIA it is a contradiction for his administration to investigate and prosecute wrongdoing at that agency?

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RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ - 8/25/2009 10:34:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: chiaThePet


Ooh, ooh, I know.

Let's send a Predator drone missile directly into their house instead.

"And your little dog too."

I'm melting, melting, ohhhh what a world.

chia* (the pet)



And I always thought there was a difference between warfare and torture.




Well, see, there you go a-thinkin again.

I could while away the hours,
conferrin' with the flowers
Consultin' with the rain.
And my head I'd be scratchin' while
my thoughts were busy hatchin'
If I only had a brain.
I'd unravel every riddle for any individ'le,
In trouble or in pain.
With the thoughts you'll be thinkin'
you could be another Lincoln
If you only had a brain.

Get a fuckin sense of humor would ya.

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RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ - 8/25/2009 10:35:30 AM   
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All set up for the worst right wing conservative pendulum swing in the history of the US. Castrating the CIA and their pragmatic tactics will be such an easy mark to point to when the next terrorist attack occurs.

Obviously yet another Administration attempt at distraction from the pressing issues of the day.

Hard to believe that a man of such intelligence as Obama is listening to whatever Washington 'insider' who is advocating for this. It loads the gun for killing off his Presidency. Hell, the CIA may initiate, or allow, something to occur just to make a point.

But hey - since Gitmo is still open, will he investigate there - or just use it for those bastard CIA agents trying to determine where the next 9/11 incident will occur?

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RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ - 8/25/2009 10:56:56 AM   
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Or ignore something. Fail to interrogate someone...


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Hell, the CIA may initiate, or allow, something to occur just to make a point.


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RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ - 8/25/2009 12:36:12 PM   
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Get a fuckin sense of humor would ya.

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Unfortunately Chia, while I do find your posts funny, it's sometimes hard to distinguish whether you are or are not being serious.

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RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ - 8/25/2009 12:39:28 PM   
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Wow - running another play from the Jimmy Carter Presidency play-book. That worked out well.

All set up for the worst right wing conservative pendulum swing in the history of the US. Castrating the CIA and their pragmatic tactics will be such an easy mark to point to when the next terrorist attack occurs.

Obviously yet another Administration attempt at distraction from the pressing issues of the day.

Hard to believe that a man of such intelligence as Obama is listening to whatever Washington 'insider' who is advocating for this. It loads the gun for killing off his Presidency. Hell, the CIA may initiate, or allow, something to occur just to make a point.

But hey - since Gitmo is still open, will he investigate there - or just use it for those bastard CIA agents trying to determine where the next 9/11 incident will occur?



Another of your Independent posts Merc?

You know, you are the most conservative Republican Independent I have ever met.

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RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ - 8/25/2009 12:44:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Wow - running another play from the Jimmy Carter Presidency play-book. That worked out well.

All set up for the worst right wing conservative pendulum swing in the history of the US. Castrating the CIA and their pragmatic tactics will be such an easy mark to point to when the next terrorist attack occurs.

Obviously yet another Administration attempt at distraction from the pressing issues of the day.

Hard to believe that a man of such intelligence as Obama is listening to whatever Washington 'insider' who is advocating for this. It loads the gun for killing off his Presidency. Hell, the CIA may initiate, or allow, something to occur just to make a point.

But hey - since Gitmo is still open, will he investigate there - or just use it for those bastard CIA agents trying to determine where the next 9/11 incident will occur?


Does anybody understand what this gibberish is supposed to mean?

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RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ - 8/25/2009 12:50:09 PM   
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Does anybody understand what this gibberish is supposed to mean?
Perhaps you should take your lack of understanding to indicate you should stay with the 'Last one to post wins!' type threads.

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you are the most conservative Republican Independent I have ever met.
I'll keep that in my pocket along with the comments calling me the most liberal person they've met.

Democrat / Republican - you already submitted enough evidence of those labels being synonyms.

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RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ - 8/25/2009 1:00:49 PM   
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Does anybody understand what this gibberish is supposed to mean?
Perhaps you should take your lack of understanding to indicate you should stay with the 'Last one to post wins!' type threads.

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Actually sweetie i am in the 97th percentile intelectually, it's just that your post is obtuse to the point of being inane.  

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RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ - 8/25/2009 1:04:44 PM   
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Does anybody understand what this gibberish is supposed to mean?
Perhaps you should take your lack of understanding to indicate you should stay with the 'Last one to post wins!' type threads.
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Actually sweetie i am in the 97th percentile intelectually, it's just that your post is obtuse to the point of being inane. 

As the lack of quote formatting indicates, you hide it well! Congrats!

Now, would you like to add any of that 97% to the discussion or is the history of US Presidents too obtuse a subject and you'd prefer to use that 'superiority on disingenuous attempts at insult?

Either way - you've already been amusing so please, do continue.

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