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RE: I was wondering where "See Me" Cindy Shee... - 9/1/2009 8:56:44 PM   
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She only began to care when it was *her* son that died. Like I said...disingenuous.


A person who stops eating fatty foods and takes up jogging after a heart attack is not disingenuous. They have learned something. They have been motivated. Same thing if their child was killed by a drunk driver or killed in a war they thought was unnecessary.

If anything I pity Sheehan. I think she is a deeply wounded psyche, quite possibly carrying a deep guilt if she and her son were at variance the last time they spoke.


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RE: I was wondering where "See Me" Cindy Shee... - 9/2/2009 1:02:30 AM   
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One more thing, kitten. In response to your continued reference to the "un-neccessary" nature of this war. Since Sept. 11, 2001, the terrorists have been fighting us on *their* turf, as opposed to ours. They've been taking losses as great as, if not greater than our own.

When you continue to call this war 'un-neccessary,' I can't help but wonder. Did you enjoy Sept. 11, 2001? Would you like something like that to occur again? Because, of all the bone-headed things Bush did while he was in charge, the undeniable truth is that the terrorists have an awfully hard time hitting us like that again when they are busy fighting us on their own soil.

I guess you'd prefer to fight them here? Because let me say this as clearly as I can, those people who think it's justifiable to bring down civilian buildings, killing thousands of citizens who are *not* soldiers....they don't want "peace" with us. They never have. They are not going to be convinced one day that "oops, they made a mistake" and we're really "nice people" they want to be friends with. It ain't gonna happen. If you gave those people a nuke tomorrow, we would lose a city the following day. Of that you can be sure.

So *you* can sit there behind the anonymity the internet grants you and claim all you like about this war. The fact is, we would be fighting this war whether we were 'over there' or not. The difference is, if we weren't fighting it 'over there,' we'd be fighting it 'over here.' You're apparently fine with that.

I'm not.


That depends which war you are referring to.

If it is Iraq do we really need to go back over the fact Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11?

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RE: I was wondering where "See Me" Cindy Shee... - 9/2/2009 1:29:40 AM   
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That depends which war you are referring to.
 
If it is Iraq do we really need to go back over the fact Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11?

 
Not so long as we understand the fact that while he had nothing to do with 9/11, he did in fact support suicide bombers....going so far as to award the families of suicide bombers with large sums of money for their "service."
 
Also not so long as we all realize what the OP in this thread contained in its link. Such as the following quote from that link:
 
"She told US peace activists to wake up and protest Obama's escalation of the war in Afghanistan, and complained that despite the president's anti-war stance, US troops remained in Iraq."
 
As you can see in that quote, "See me Cindy" doesn't distinguish between iraq and afghanistan. Not only that, but she apparently can't follow a simple presidential election. Obama was against the iraq war. But he OPENLY stated in many debates and addresses during his campaign that he was going to finish the fight in afghanistan.

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RE: I was wondering where "See Me" Cindy Shee... - 9/2/2009 1:13:02 PM   
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I'm gonna have to agree w/her on that point.


Personally, I'd rather see proof of that statement. Just because something isn't talked about constantly doesn't mean people don't care. People choose to watch and focus on things like TV because it distracts them from the reality they face daily.



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RE: I was wondering where "See Me" Cindy Shee... - 9/2/2009 3:06:10 PM   
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I'm gonna have to agree w/her on that point.


Personally, I'd rather see proof of that statement. Just because something isn't talked about constantly doesn't mean people don't care. People choose to watch and focus on things like TV because it distracts them from the reality they face daily.



http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=5835


Sorry, but a link to an article written by the same person who made the statement I said I'd like proof of doesn't do much for me. That would be like me saying the sky is green and upon your asking for proof, I send you an article I wrote calling the sky green. It doesn't hold up.


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RE: I was wondering where "See Me" Cindy Shee... - 9/2/2009 5:05:06 PM   
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When you continue to call this war 'un-neccessary,' I can't help but wonder. Did you enjoy Sept. 11, 2001? Would you like something like that to occur again? Because, of all the bone-headed things Bush did while he was in charge, the undeniable truth is that the terrorists have an awfully hard time hitting us like that again when they are busy fighting us on their own soil. 



Whats really disturbing is that so many of you fall for the " Saddam was behind 911 "  B/s. Its been proved there was no link between him and Bin Laden. If anything Bin Laden was a threat to Saddam.

For you to decry a mother who lost her son from promoting the peace process is a disgrace. EVEN if she did change her mind, due to his death, she had every right to do so, or dont you believe in freedom of speech ect ?

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RE: I was wondering where "See Me" Cindy Shee... - 9/2/2009 5:21:01 PM   
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Whats really disturbing is that so many of you fall for the " Saddam was behind 911 "  B/s. Its been proved there was no link between him and Bin Laden. If anything Bin Laden was a threat to Saddam.

 
Catch up with the rest of the class. That's already been addressed. He wasn't behind that particular attack, but he's well-known for supporting terrorists.
 
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For you to decry a mother who lost her son from promoting the peace process is a disgrace.

 
I think the 'disgrace' is her pissing on her son's memory by using his death as a means to continue to draw attention to *her* politics which he obviously didn't support.
 
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EVEN if she did change her mind, due to his death, she had every right to do so, or dont you believe in freedom of speech ect ?

 
And I have every right to blast her for what I see as disingenuous behavior. Or don't you believe in *my* freedom of speech?


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RE: I was wondering where "See Me" Cindy Shee... - 9/2/2009 5:26:11 PM   
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Whats really disturbing is that so many of you fall for the " Saddam was behind 911 "  B/s. Its been proved there was no link between him and Bin Laden. If anything Bin Laden was a threat to Saddam.


Catch up with the rest of the class. That's already been addressed. He wasn't behind that particular attack, but he's well-known for supporting terrorists.

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For you to decry a mother who lost her son from promoting the peace process is a disgrace.


I think the 'disgrace' is her pissing on her son's memory by using his death as a means to continue to draw attention to *her* politics which he obviously didn't support.

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EVEN if she did change her mind, due to his death, she had every right to do so, or dont you believe in freedom of speech ect ?


And I have every right to blast her for what I see as disingenuous behavior. Or don't you believe in *my* freedom of speech?



Hold up my friend. You brought 9/11 into your reply to Kittin, yet now *YOU* tell me to keep up with the class. Let me tell you, one of us is miles ahead.

Secondly, how the hell would you know what Sheehan or her son thought and talked about on the issue.

Thirdly, on free speech, it isnt me going around tell her what she should and shouldnt talk about. Your views are yours, as hers are hers, anything other comments on her views are bogus and subjective.

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RE: I was wondering where "See Me" Cindy Shee... - 9/2/2009 5:39:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Only the truly deliberately ignorant still argue that Saddam Hussein harboured those terrorists responsible for 9/11, and that the absence of terrorism on U.S. territory since the invasion of Iraq was a direct consequence of his demise.

The ignorant, or the disingenuous. Seems to me like it's easy to invoke a falsitude in order to rile up emotional responses against a character as unpopular as Cindy Sheehan - unpopular, fuck knows why: she didn't kill anybody.

Meanwhile, only the truly cowardly would aim at a target as easy as this woman: shame on them.

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RE: I was wondering where "See Me" Cindy Shee... - 9/2/2009 5:42:23 PM   
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Hold up my friend. You brought 9/11 into your reply to Kittin, yet now *YOU* tell me to keep up with the class. Let me tell you, one of us is miles ahead.

 
Yes, I did. And you'll see (if you catch up with the rest of the class) that rulemylife addressed the 9/11 bit as well. To which I replied about saddam's support for suicide bombers. Not only that, but in that same reply, I mention how "See Me" Cindy wanted people to protest the war in Afghanistan as well. You're right, one of us is miles ahead.....it's just not you.
 
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Secondly, how the hell would you know what Sheehan or her son thought and talked about on the issue.

 
Because it's in the transcripts of the MANY interviews she's given since his death. She talks in depth about what he said, what he wrote home about and how he was excited to support his squad. Do just a *bit* of reading on the subject and you'll see all of it. He didn't stand up before his deployment and say he didn't want to go. He wasn't in the news saying he was against the war. Hell, even in the letters home that SHE QUOTES, he says NOTHING at all in opposition to the war. That is all HER. And to continue what she's doing does nothing but dishonor his memory by making him a poster-child for a cause that is not his.
 
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Thirdly, on free speech, it isnt me going around tell her what she should and shouldnt talk about. Your views are yours, as hers are hers, anything other comments on her views are bogus and subjective.

 
You misunderstand. I'm not telling her what she should and should not talk about. She's going to talk about what she wants to talk about regardless of my or anyone else's opinion. I simply find it disgusting that she would disgrace her own son like that. And apparently, I'm not alone since her own husband left her over it (again, see previous poster's comment that addresses her home life).

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RE: I was wondering where "See Me" Cindy Shee... - 9/2/2009 5:44:34 PM   
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Do you work for the National Enquirer? You seem to know an awful lot of extremely private information  .

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RE: I was wondering where "See Me" Cindy Shee... - 9/2/2009 5:47:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		And what private information have I alluded to knowing that's not contained within the many articles and interviews she's done?

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RE: I was wondering where "See Me" Cindy Shee... - 9/2/2009 5:55:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'd laugh, it you weren't so tragic. You make it sound like you know why their marriage broke down: I find that very funny, because unless you're Mr Sheehan, nobody knows for sure what happens in a marriage, except those directly involved. Everything else is just hearsay... something you're awfully happy to bandy about. What you're doing on this thread (and a few others) is nothing better than gossip.

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RE: I was wondering where "See Me" Cindy Shee... - 9/2/2009 6:11:42 PM   
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I'd laugh, it you weren't so tragic. You make it sound like you know why their marriage broke down: I find that very funny, because unless you're Mr Sheehan, nobody knows for sure what happens in a marriage, except those directly involved. Everything else is just hearsay... something you're awfully happy to bandy about. What you're doing on this thread (and a few others) is nothing better than gossip.

 
Oh really? Well personally, I laugh at you because of how tragic you are.
 
As I said before...a little RESEARCH does wonders. How about this quote (from "See Me" Cindy herself:
 
"In an Aug. 1 interview with the Daily Kos blog, Cindy Sheehan stated, "I have lost almost every friend that I had before Casey died. My husband and I are separated, because he doesn't support my activities, although he knows the war is a lie."
 
Hmmm... gossip, you say? Then what is it when it comes straight from the source in an interview that source gave? Is that still gossip? This isn't private information obtained by some schmuck hiding in a garbage can. This is an interview SHE GAVE. Hardly gossip.

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RE: I was wondering where "See Me" Cindy Shee... - 9/2/2009 6:34:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		" [..] although he knows the war is a lie [...] ."

Sooo... perhaps the man was pissed that she wasn't around to cook him breakfast, because she was busy picketting.

That would explain the misogynistic venom you're spewing: women should be at home taking care of their families, riiiight  ?

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RE: I was wondering where "See Me" Cindy Shee... - 9/2/2009 6:57:59 PM   
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Just...wow.

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RE: I was wondering where "See Me" Cindy Shee... - 9/2/2009 7:02:44 PM   
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RE: I was wondering where "See Me" Cindy Shee... - 9/2/2009 7:06:50 PM   
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RE: I was wondering where "See Me" Cindy Shee... - 9/2/2009 7:08:55 PM   
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I'm aware of that, Lucy. However, I'm simply pointing out, in response to kitten, that this woman wasn't unlike any one of us. She didn't join the 'peace movement' until it personally affected her. I've seen MANY protesters who do what they do without having lost anyone in this war.

I dont think you do understand it from the posts you've made. Many protesters of any kind are moved to action because of what they have experienced, they dont even have to have lost a child, Ive joined many "movements" in my time, because I was made aware of them by something unpleasant happening. Even pleasant things tooo(like BDSM)



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RE: I was wondering where "See Me" Cindy Shee... - 9/2/2009 7:35:32 PM   
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I think it was spot on: if you can't denote the misogyny in the guy's post, it's your loss, not my 'twisting his words'.

 
Actually it was nowhere near spot on. Although I make no denial nor apology for being a misogynistic asshole in other threads, not one thing I said in this thread has anything to do with that stance.
 
This is about my belief (and apparently others' as well) that she's flat-out pissing on her son's memory by doing what she's doing.
 
Now you can twist into this thread other posts I have made in other threads, but it lends you no credibility in this thread. I have stated my opinions on this thread and from where they come. You can accept that or not. I don't really care.

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