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Original Lucylastic
I dont think you do understand it from the posts you've made. Many protesters of any kind are moved to action because of what they have experienced, they dont even have to have lost a child, Ive joined many "movements" in my time, because I was made aware of them by something unpleasant happening. Even pleasant things tooo(like BDSM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Only the truly deliberately ignorant still argue that Saddam Hussein harboured those terrorists responsible for 9/11, and that the absence of terrorism on U.S. territory since the invasion of Iraq was a direct consequence of his demise.

The ignorant, or the disingenuous. Seems to me like it's easy to invoke a falsitude in order to rile up emotional responses against a character as unpopular as Cindy Sheehan - unpopular, fuck knows why: she didn't kill anybody.

Meanwhile, only the truly cowardly would aim at a target as easy as this woman: shame on them.

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ORIGINAL: Loki45

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Original: Politesub53
Hold up my friend. You brought 9/11 into your reply to Kittin, yet now *YOU* tell me to keep up with the class. Let me tell you, one of us is miles ahead.

Yes, I did. And you'll see (if you catch up with the rest of the class) that rulemylife addressed the 9/11 bit as well. To which I replied about saddam's support for suicide bombers. Not only that, but in that same reply, I mention how "See Me" Cindy wanted people to protest the war in Afghanistan as well. You're right, one of us is miles ahead.....it's just not you.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
You still dont get it do you. You tried to make a link between 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq copied below.

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Original: Loki45
Not so long as we understand the fact that while he had nothing to do with 9/11, he did in fact support suicide bombers....going so far as to award the families of suicide bombers with large sums of money for their "service."

Also not so long as we all realize what the OP in this thread contained in its link. Such as the following quote from that link:

"She told US peace activists to wake up and protest Obama's escalation of the war in Afghanistan, and complained that despite the president's anti-war stance, US troops remained in Iraq."

As you can see in that quote, "See me Cindy" doesn't distinguish between iraq and afghanistan. Not only that, but she apparently can't follow a simple presidential election. Obama was against the iraq war. But he OPENLY stated in many debates and addresses during his campaign that he was going to finish the fight in afghanistan.

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Original: Loki45
As you can see in that quote, "See me Cindy" doesn't distinguish between iraq and afghanistan. Not only that, but she apparently can't follow a simple presidential election. Obama was against the iraq war. But he OPENLY stated in many debates and addresses during his campaign that he was going to finish the fight in afghanistan.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Once you had been pulled up on the fact this wasnt true, you agree Saddam  wasnt involved in 9/11 but paid money to families of suicide bombers ( So does Saudi, our so called allies btw ) From how I see it, you were caught in a lie and then moved the goalposts. Next you will be telling us he had weapons of WMD`s, which he hadnt, maybe we just invaded because he had ginger hair. 

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ORIGINAL: Loki45

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Original: kittinsol
I'd laugh, it you weren't so tragic. You make it sound like you know why their marriage broke down: I find that very funny, because unless you're Mr Sheehan, nobody knows for sure what happens in a marriage, except those directly involved. Everything else is just hearsay... something you're awfully happy to bandy about. What you're doing on this thread (and a few others) is nothing better than gossip.

Oh really? Well personally, I laugh at you because of how tragic you are.

As I said before...a little RESEARCH does wonders. How about this quote (from "See Me" Cindy herself:

"In an Aug. 1 interview with the Daily Kos blog, Cindy Sheehan stated, "I have lost almost every friend that I had before Casey died. My husband and I are separated, because he doesn't support my activities, although he knows the war is a lie."

Hmmm... gossip, you say? Then what is it when it comes straight from the source in an interview that source gave? Is that still gossip? This isn't private information obtained by some schmuck hiding in a garbage can. This is an interview SHE GAVE. Hardly gossip.

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Sorry, but a link to an article written by the same person who made the statement I said I'd like proof of doesn't do much for me. That would be like me saying the sky is green and upon your asking for proof, I send you an article I wrote calling the sky green. It doesn't hold up.

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ORIGINAL: Loki45

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
You still dont get it do you. You tried to make a link between 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq copied below.

I'm afraid it's still *you* that doesn't get it. After the quote you decided to pull out, you blatantly ignored the following:

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Original: Loki45
Not so long as we understand the fact that while he had nothing to do with 9/11, he did in fact support suicide bombers....going so far as to award the families of suicide bombers with large sums of money for their "service."

Also not so long as we all realize what the OP in this thread contained in its link. Such as the following quote from that link:

"She told US peace activists to wake up and protest Obama's escalation of the war in Afghanistan, and complained that despite the president's anti-war stance, US troops remained in Iraq."

As you can see in that quote, "See me Cindy" doesn't distinguish between iraq and afghanistan. Not only that, but she apparently can't follow a simple presidential election. Obama was against the iraq war. But he OPENLY stated in many debates and addresses during his campaign that he was going to finish the fight in afghanistan.

Here, let me highlight some important parts you missed...such as "See Me" Cindy's own comments:

"She told US peace activists to wake up and protest Obama's escalation of the war in Afghanistan, and complained that despite the president's anti-war stance, US troops remained in Iraq."

Which was immediately followed by my last comment (same post, mind you):

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Original: Loki45
As you can see in that quote, "See me Cindy" doesn't distinguish between iraq and afghanistan. Not only that, but she apparently can't follow a simple presidential election. Obama was against the iraq war. But he OPENLY stated in many debates and addresses during his campaign that he was going to finish the fight in afghanistan.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Once you had been pulled up on the fact this wasnt true, you agree Saddam  wasnt involved in 9/11 but paid money to families of suicide bombers ( So does Saudi, our so called allies btw ) From how I see it, you were caught in a lie and then moved the goalposts. Next you will be telling us he had weapons of WMD`s, which he hadnt, maybe we just invaded because he had ginger hair. 

I really don't care "how you see it." I wasn't caught in anything. I acknowledged freely that I knew saddam had no link to 9/11. However, since "See Me" doesn't distinguish between the two wars in her protest, and since her protest was the subject of the OP, then someone commenting on that OP about "this useless war" should clarify which war they mean, if not both. As no distinction was made, either by "See Me" or anyone else, then one can only go by what's been posted. As such, I responded the way I did, and then had the dialogue with rml that followed. You'll notice in that dialogue I made no claims whatsoever that saddam had a link to 9/11. But so far, no one has disputed that he did, in fact, support terrorists.

If anyone was "caught in a lie," it was "See Me" Cindy who continues to protest Obama despite his campaign promise of "finishing the war against terror in Afghanistan."

Furthermore, since you bring up "why we invaded' iraq, I can only answer that I don't give a shit. The funny thing about all the "controversy" surrounding our invasion was that everyone seemed to agree that he was a bad guy who needed to go. Everyone agreed that he was guilty of attrocities and needed to answer for them. If that's the agreement on the outcome, pardon me if I don't give a rat's ass what excuse we used to invade. He was a bad guy, a war criminal, and now he's dead. Good riddance.

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One more thing, kitten. In response to your continued reference to the "un-neccessary" nature of this war. Since Sept. 11, 2001, the terrorists have been fighting us on *their* turf, as opposed to ours. They've been taking losses as great as, if not greater than our own.

When you continue to call this war 'un-neccessary,' I can't help but wonder. Did you enjoy Sept. 11, 2001? Would you like something like that to occur again? Because, of all the bone-headed things Bush did while he was in charge, the undeniable truth is that the terrorists have an awfully hard time hitting us like that again when they are busy fighting us on their own soil.

I guess you'd prefer to fight them here? Because let me say this as clearly as I can, those people who think it's justifiable to bring down civilian buildings, killing thousands of citizens who are *not* soldiers....they don't want "peace" with us. They never have. They are not going to be convinced one day that "oops, they made a mistake" and we're really "nice people" they want to be friends with. It ain't gonna happen. If you gave those people a nuke tomorrow, we would lose a city the following day. Of that you can be sure.

So *you* can sit there behind the anonymity the internet grants you and claim all you like about this war. The fact is, we would be fighting this war whether we were 'over there' or not. The difference is, if we weren't fighting it 'over there,' we'd be fighting it 'over here.' You're apparently fine with that.

I'm not.

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ORIGINAL: Loki45

I feel sorry for her son, to have his memory and sacrifice pissed on by her continued antics. He joined up because it was something he believed in. He paid the ultimate price. And she's done nothing but piss on his memory and his sacrifice ever since.

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ORIGINAL: VirginPotty
So it's ok for YOU to quote her from a paper SHE wrote but when I provide the link from the paper SHE wrote you state the above.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
The part you claim i blatantly missed wasnt even in the some post, but in post 43 some 5 odd hours later, after Rule had pulled you up.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Since Casey Sheehan was killed in Iraq, its obvious what war she was referring to, At least to those able to keep up. Dont blame me for your own words, or even suggest that what I quoted was somehow the first part of a post some 5 hours later.

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"It's funny. I would have thought that you guys could find a less harmless figure to crystallise your hate upon than a middle-aged lady who lost her son to a useless war."

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Loki, I concede I jumped in and posted before reading the whole thread. I reached post 40 and posted on it, so i didnt leave anything out, even if you claimed I did later.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
As for not mentioning which war, I fail to see how Kittins quote could have been about anywhere other than Iraq.

The words "Lost her son to a useless war" are clear and explicit, there is no room for misunderstanding in my view.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
I dont think anyone posting about Cindy Sheehan is in any doubt where her son died.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Re Saddam deserving to go, It depends if you believe in international law or not. If you dont, there are several world leaders just as deserving as Saddam was. Mugabe for starters.

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ORIGINAL: Loki45

We all (I think) now agree on the need for the afghanistan war. 

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ORIGINAL: rikigrl

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ORIGINAL: Loki45

We all (I think) now agree on the need for the afghanistan war. 

"See Me" riki doesn't agree on the need for the Afghanistan war because "See Me" riki knows that it unwinnable, just as the Russian campaign was unwinnable, just as Viet Nam was unwinnable, and just as Rome vs. Christianity was unwinnable. "See Me" riki thinks that fighting an ideology with guns is the mark of a fool. If you are so very scared of Al Queda bring home all those soldiers and post them on the borders, at least they won't die needlessly, and they can be at home with their loved ones

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ORIGINAL: rikigrl
"See Me" riki doesn't agree on the need for the Afghanistan war because "See Me" riki knows that it unwinnable, just as the Russian campaign was unwinnable, just as Viet Nam was unwinnable, and just as Rome vs. Christianity was unwinnable. "See Me" riki thinks that fighting an ideology with guns is the mark of a fool. If you are so very scared of Al Queda bring home all those soldiers and post them on the borders, at least they won't die needlessly, and they can be at home with their loved ones