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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Last time I was at Paddles was about 5 years ago.

Plus the owner seemed to think that he and his girl had to protect me all night because I was a single sub there. Sorry guys, just because I'm a single sub there doesn't mean I need some kind of protection or anything else there.

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ORIGINAL: sublace

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Last time I was at Paddles was about 5 years ago.

Plus the owner seemed to think that he and his girl had to protect me all night because I was a single sub there. Sorry guys, just because I'm a single sub there doesn't mean I need some kind of protection or anything else there.

Maybe they were trying to be nice? Friendly? (you're attractive and hot?)

Brings to mind extreme feminists who curse out the man who dares hold open a door.

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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

We prefer Buckeye Lemon Quat, which is what the hospital that I work at uses for their isolation units for viral and bacterial infectious agents. I get it in bulk (pouch), because my daughter uses it for site-sterilization (bench, chair, counters, etc.,) when she pierces or tats. For spray sterilization, we get Avistat D, which is effective against HIV, HIB, SARS, HPV, H1N1 and most other influenza, and all bacterial contaminants including antibiotic-resistant, necrotizing Staph Aureus (MRSA and VRSA), and Strep B.

Neither of these is effective, and both can be pre-mixed for easy carry. You can even find them online and have them delivered to your door. We use these with Wypall X80 blue wipes -- you can't mistake them for skin wipes, and you can pre-soak the wipes with disinfectant for quick spill cleanup (I use an old baby-wipe container, and put in a layer of wipes, soak them with pre-mixed Lemon Quat, and feed one through the top--pop the top and yank a wipe, and you have instant sanitizing wipes at the level used in ABSL-2 viral research labs. We also pick up sharps containers and latex-free gloves (important if you're going to do top/bottom play with new folks, since it sux to find out that someone has a latex allergy because they develop an anaphylactic reaction in the middle of a scene) and such from our supplier as well.

Yes, you can use chlorine bleach or Lysol or whatever you pick up at the grocery store... though alcohol does not kill viral agents, so it really isn't useful for anything except cleansing skin... but I guess because SR runs a lab and I have EMT and medical facility background, we looked a lot more closely at sanitation products. Now that AB is piercing and tattooing, we're glad we went whole-hog, because it made advising her about good sources for her own sanitation supplies a lot easier. These are easy, effective against most of what is out there, and not overly expensive in the quantities used for play -- so our thought was "why not go with the best option we can swing?"

Dame Calla

PS: Oh... and "spray and wipe" doesn't kill everything on a surface even if you're using lysol or sanitizing wipes. Most sanitizing products have to stay on the surface for at -least- 1 minute to kill any viruses (their shells make them -really- hard to kill)... so just taking a quick swipe before you start won't do much but spread germs around... and sanitizing in your own playspace is just as important as sanitizing in public spaces. You can pass stuff back to yourself (including yeast, mycoplasma, and VRSA/MRSA etc.,) if you don't properly sanitize your own equipment, I prefer to sanitize both before and after -- for me, it just seems good to be cautious... but I'm immune compromised, and admit that I'm a little paranoid, having had to deal with MRSA cellulitis already twice in my adult life -- NOT pleasant!

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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

We went to Paddles last night and were not blown away. It's the only public place we've ever gone to so we really don't know how it compares to others.
The first thing that turned us off was the layout. The hallways were narrow and you sometimes literally had to step over someone who was scening in the middle of the hallway...i.e. two dommes were having their boots licked by two sub males who were sprawled out blocking the access to the left side. We watched an hour long flogging and found the two to be unemotional and cold. It was as if they were following a script. In fact just about every scene we watched was void of energy and excitement and emotion. Not even gonna get into all of the single male wankers trolling around. And the biggest issue we had was that there were no sanitary wipes. People would use the dungeon furniture with bare skin and then not wipe it down afterwards. Yuck. Is this how a typical dungeon tends to be? I doubt we'll ever go back there for these reasons. We were surprised because Paddles is supposed to be one of the better clubs.

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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968


The first thing that turned us off was the layout. The hallways were narrow and you sometimes literally had to step over someone who was scening in the middle of the hallway..

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We watched an hour long flogging and found the two to be unemotional and cold. It was as if they were following a script. In fact just about every scene we watched was void of energy and excitement and emotion.

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ORIGINAL: DemonKia

Steel, it just bugs me to hear people extolling the virtues of alcohol as a sanitizing cleaning agent for control the spread of problematic organisms cuz it's one of the lesser tools in that particular kit . . .. . Pet peeve of mine, don't take it personally . . . . .

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ORIGINAL: Andalusite

I've been to a couple of public dungeons, but I prefer private playparties, when possible. It feels more social and friendly. All of the ones I've been to have had sanitiser and towels, and most people seem to use them both before and after playing - I certainly always have! I like putting a blanket down first if it's the kind of equipment you lie on - not as cold that way, and skin doesn't stick to it. A lot of people play in public when they're just getting to know each other, so it's not surprising that some of the scenes didn't seem to have a lot of chemistry/energy exchange. It's not like it's a performance for your benefit anyway - some people are exhibitionists, some just want a place where they can be noisy without disturbing the neighbors, some feel more comfortable playing publicly before going home with someone/inviting them home, they may want more bondage furniture options, etc. If you're going just to spectate, then stay out of everyone's way, and try not to be intrusive or an energy vampire. Usually, I barely notice if anyone is watching until after the scene is over, since I'm so focused on the person I'm with, but there have been a couple of times when a crowd gathered and was a bit distracting (and no, I wasn't blocking a hallway or otherwise in an inappropriate place).